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  1. Doogie

    Presser vs Bronks

    Lol.
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    Ciraldo presser vs Riff

    2 pts? Hmmm...
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    Riff 3 2 1

    Have at it. 3 Kiraz (grind game and he ground hard) 2 Kiks (see above) 1 Tracey (moments). But I could flip these. All were beasts.
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    NRLW Trial match6

    On YT now - 10 mins in.
  5. Doogie

    Ciraldo presser vs OED

    Funny how Kingy got a shout out for his performance. :innocent:
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    Rugby League Nostalgia

    May be a thread for this - if so feel free to merge. Someone mentioned the old Bullfrog story around Farrar in a thread recently. Thats a very cool story. This came up in my YT feed randomly and its a great watch. If u make the effort to get through it - someone not too far down in the comments...
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    Rd 12 Bulldogs vs Dolphins 3-2-1

    Pretty tough this one. Sort of have to go with who worked hard. 3 Curran. About the best. Made 60 tackles. Close to our leading run getter 2 Hayes. 49 tackles and our leading run getter. 1 buggered if I know. Stuff it - Luke Smith 22 tackles in 40 mins. No misses. Got a bit of yardage. And made...
  8. Doogie

    Ciraldo Presser vs Faders

    Enjoy. @Bazildog - its not gay porn.
  9. Doogie

    vs Bunnies presser

    Enjoy.
  10. Doogie

    Rd 7 Bulldogs v Rabbitohs 3-2-1

    3 Kingy. Just check the stats. Madness 2 Tracey. Involved in all the good things. 1 Kiks. Difference maker. Plenty of others were good but pretty clear. We start Milky we win by 50.
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    Opinion Damn ripoffs - Vets

    So completely pissed about this thought I needed to have a vent. One of my dogs was a bit crook so we took him to the vet. Bit sluggish, diarrohea, etc etc. Anyways - gave him some IV fluids and basically something for the nausea and off home for observation. I was told that if they kept him...
  12. Doogie

    Official Warm water, olive oil and yeast

    Enjoy.
  13. Doogie

    Boys doing good things..

    Boys were down at Bankstown Hospital today doing some good stuff in some of the hospital units. Apologies for the shitty blacking out - just not sure if I can share photos of the staff.
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    Gigs...

    Sure there's a thread for this but fckd if I could go find it. Plus I'm a bit smashed at the moment so here we are... Just got back from seeing Pearl Jam, Pixies and Cosmic Psychos at Homebush. Seen all 3 of these before so know what I'm getting. Thoughts. Psychos - has me baffled how these...
  15. Doogie

    Finals Wk 1 vs Sea Eagles 3-2-1

    I cannot separate Kiks, Preston, Critta, Hughes and Kingy. Throw in Tracey, Kiraz, Skelly as 2nd tier. They were all massive. And if anyone of you wants to give a Burpo a point - I want you to rewatch that last try and follow Burpo all the way. And if u still want to give him a point - give...
  16. Doogie

    Rd 26 vs Sea Eagles 3-2-1

    Easy for me. 3 pts Sexy. Once Burpo was gone, we won the game. Led the team around the field like a general should. 2 pts Presto. Threat every time he had the ball. 1 pt Burpo. Finally contributed something by smacking his head into the flat earth. If only he did it earlier....
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    Ch7 puff piece

    Just saw Skelton, Turpin and Sexy on Ch7 news spending time at Young Academics helping kids out. Pretty cool good stuff. Had to laugh though when Skelton starting talking about embracing the finals experience. Fck knows he won't be seeing it again for a while after this year.
  18. Doogie

    Dogs presser vs Phins

    Bulldogs: Round 24 | Watch (nrl.com) Lol - heavy track.
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    Rd 20 vs Cows 3-2-1

    Since @flamebouyant is obviously off kicking his dog - have at it. Dogs 3 - Curran. Just love the guy 2 - Reed. Busted his ass again. 1 - Burton. Nah think he was shit again but wanna fish out all the Burto lovers 8-) And Gerard Sutton. All I can say is, since I work in water, hope you enjoy...
  20. Doogie

    Presser

    Post it when its up on YT. - WGD probable broken jaw - Shoutout to Robbo for the grit we showed - Burto knew he was shit at HT - Defence is good, attack is shit - Preston getting some time in reserves next week - hopefully back the week after.
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    News Kenty gone....

    On the news - said sacked by all his employers. Damn - he will be missed. Can think of one dude who will miss his favourite punching bag...
  22. Doogie

    Dogs presser

    Two things. Man crush on Critta. No idea who the journo is but he's a shoe in for the stupidest fckng question of the year award.
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    How the NRL is full of shite.

    Two games against the rorters and I want to bring attention to the following 3 tackles. - Young vs Taafe - Whomever vs Tracey - Walker vs Kiraz Now if the NRL is genuinely legit about stamping out head shots - can someone explain to me how Walker does not get sent? Thought when I look at...
  24. Doogie

    Dogs presser

    Just watched it live. - Tezza came into the rooms and said best win he's seen for years - Ciraldo has a man crush on Critta - Good time for the bye. Preston is a problem but the other two should be ok - Improving each week Also watched the Parrascum presser. - Same old shit about not making the...
  25. Doogie

    Rd 14 vs Eels 3-2-1

    6 points everyone. EDIT: Put your votes in the below google form! https://forms.gle/2TYffWDQvnYAVLqy6
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    Chicks SOO Game 2

    Well - although as a Dogs fan I should be used to be screwed by the refs, last night still hurts. So lets see if the girls can get some payback. Digging the Blues forwards. Johnston, Kemp and Apps are beasts (in a nice way). Clydesdale is just prime Josh Jackson with tits. That chick at FB...
  27. Doogie

    Knights presser

    Nice.
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    Rd 4 vs Rabbitohs 3-2-1

    Well, since everyone is still having a whinge and forgot this... 3 - Kingy 2 - take your pick out of kiks, Mann, Taaffe, Critta, Kiraz 1 - Gerard Sutton. Made enough shitty decisions that Analsley will no doubt support on Monday so I'll be collecting a shitload of tickets. At least I get...
  29. Doogie

    News Burtons view of the shape of planet Earth.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/bulldogs/its-round-but-its-obviously-flat-nrl-stars-bizarre-conspiracy-theory-confession/news-story/259681a5557fe1f387b6a8470c637245 Hmmmm. Hopefully the brain was a little distracted on this one. But I'm not optimistic.
  30. Doogie

    Mark Hunt

    Per Mark Hunt in an interview with Helwani - someone offered him millions to take a dive in a fight in Australia. And I would believe him, never been one to blow his own load. Hunt has fought in Australia a few times, from K1 to UFC and more recently boxing. Now I'm sort of a view thats its...
  31. Doogie

    The ASMR thread

    In light of the new TK where we all meditate and sing kumbayah - heres your chance to post your best ASMR videos. Important to share the love. Keep it clean please. Here's a couple of my faves - we call this in my work dam porn. Gotta wait until about half way through for the real fun to...
  32. Doogie

    Happy New Year

    Happy New Year all. - Hoping the Dogs actually get their proverbial together in 2024. - Hoping in light of the mods announcement we all take a moment to consider how we interact with each other. - Hoping resistance to Lizard domination finally ends. If I can get 2 out of 3 I'll be happy...
  33. Doogie

    EV's

    Okey dokey kennellers. Bought a car for the missus last week (Mazda - not buying a Hyundai turd if u paid me - fck u @Blue_boost). And now I have an itch to scratch myself. Got some very good value on my current car (mebbe around $30k) and toying with the idea of either a Nissan Z or an EV...
  34. Doogie

    Know your rights

    So get a bill from my electricity provider today. Basically $2k, back billed to November last year. I'm like wtf? Due to be direct debited mid-November. Sitting after the bill email is another email telling me that I've been back billed because of 'new meter information'. Nice try fckrs - one...
  35. Doogie

    Opinion Maybe I missed something

    I know a range of names have come up being associated with WimpGate but apart from Davey - anyone know where all the other names have come from? Apparently Weidler reckoned Burns called a wrestle session on himself for some reason and reckon'd it wasn't a huge deal. Yet Burns name is one of the...
  36. Doogie

    CC presser vs titans.

    Don't know haven't watched it. Seasons ended for me a couple of hours ago. Plus I know it will be something about effort, execution and Avo's knee.
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    Rd 27 vs Titans 3-2-1

    3 pts. Father time for making this shit show finally over. 2 pts. Morrin and Wilson for being the only 2 trying all game. 1 pt Kasey Badger for showing being shit as a ref is not related to gender.
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    Presser vs Manly...

    Well. So CC calls out the 5 guys walking after the Dogs bomb and Manly made the break up field. Then Burton is asked what he thought was behind the lack of effort like that and mumbled some waffle. So I went back to the highlights to see who the five guys walking are. Probably the most notable...
  39. Doogie

    Vs Raiders - CC Presser

    Rinse, wash, repeat.
  40. Doogie

    Rd 25 vs Raiders 3-2-1

    3 pts Ange Postecoglou for fckng up Man Utd 2 pts for TPJ for showing us more proof today he did the right thing by the club 1 pt for the poor Dogs fans on screen early on. If you're reading bro's - save your cash in future. And a special mention to CC. That 'we're fckd but I'm seeing signs of...
  41. Doogie

    Ciraldo presser

    For the masochists amongst us.
  42. Doogie

    Rd 24 vs Knights 3-2-1

    No fckng idea for this but I'll give it a go. 3 pts - @Fear.The.Roo for putting shit on our players and Tolman at the same time live (check out his thread) 2 pts - 4 min TPJ. Best prop in the game by a mile. 1 pts - Tim Sheens for telling the NRL the refs are fckd without being fined. Good...
  43. Doogie

    Opinion NRL refs are tripping...

    So this is the charge sheet as of yesterday. So going through this who actually attempted a tackle. Brown and Fotuaika - Luai just went in with a pure shoulder charge to the face of Nelson while being held. Who got hurt - only CNF from the Fotu tackle. Then I look at the Burgess shot last...
  44. Doogie

    News Bulldogs Bundy Presser

    Thats either @maroondog72 or @CQDog asking the second question. One of u bogans needs to fess up :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy:
  45. Doogie

    Knights thread

    So because I'm a curious guy - interested in what the Knights fan forum thought before and after this. Link down the bottom if you want to troll (and if you really do, after today you probably need professional help). Here is some of the better stuff and note the time stamps on some of the posts.
  46. Doogie

    Next Game

    Saw this from one of the Victorian soccer teams a while ago when half the fan base bought tix, showed up and just stood there with their backs turned for most of the game. No idea of the score or why but the message was sent that the fans are not fckng happy. We'll buy tix to support the club...
  47. Doogie

    Rd 18 vs Knights 3-2-1

    3 points - the Dogs fan that was putting shit on Ponga when he was converting the 60th Point 2 points - every dogs fan that stuck around to the end to put shit on the team 1 point - to the touchie that ruled a forward pass when it was a mile backwards to save us from 70 This is a sad day gentlemen.
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    Opinion If you gunna be a crim - don't pick NRL players as your co-crims

    Cannot script this stuff. From the Walsh ref swearing hearing. Thoroughly encourage everyone to check out the messages from the hearing on Fox Sports. So - some of the best. David Fifita giving evidence. Oops. All you suit guys scare all 120kg of me because I'm a bad boy. And the...
  49. Doogie

    Opinion Restaurant for Lunch

    Hey Kennellers (but fck off if you are a fin supporter). Gotta take my missus and fam somewhere for Lunch on Sunday - kids 18th birthday. Here's my dilemma. Just some background on the participants. Me - as you all know - the Lizard Lord only eats da best. Missus - wants to go to a place she...
  50. Doogie

    Opinion How bad was that

    Out run by 600m. Only four guys that crept over 100 run metres (Sharks - nine guys) After the debacle of missing 55 tackles last week and the promise we would work on D - it really worked. We only missed 57 tackles this week. Sharks committed 14 errors - not that you would have noticed. PCM was...
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    Opinion Why we lost

    Ok - so here we go again for this week. Try 1 - lets not go there. I have it on good authority the bunker was having cones and pressed the wrong button. Try 2: Probably the starting point is Burton gave away 6 again on the 5th tackle for.... playing dry hump in a 1 on 1 tackle. I probably...
  52. Doogie

    News CC Presser...

    Q: TPJ is possibly gunna miss out on origin. How do you support him through that? A: Show him a video of todays game and remind him of his paycheck? :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy:
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    Rd 15 vs Eels 3-2-1

    I'm almost embarrassed to post this thread. 3 Preston 2 Preston 1 Preston Remember watching Manly tap us for 60 a few years ago. We were just outplayed that night. Tonight - it looked we just grabbed some randoms. Like can anyone please explain to me wtf our wingers were consistently two...
  54. Doogie

    Opinion Funniest league story of the Year

    Has to be Ivan Cleary, Luai and other Penrith players complaining in the media about JWH. From Ivan... It was a little condescending I thought and just unnecessary...
  55. Doogie

    Official Reed not charged

    Appears Reed Mahoney was not charged with using his face to damage Sual'li's knees (otherwise known as the facial cannonball). Appears Sual'li is out for 3 weeks with a guilty plea for raising knees. And no penalty and missed by the bunker. Awesome. Great work NRL.
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    News Brittany Higgins enquiry

    If you're not watching this on Spotlight on Channel 7 - check it out later online on Seven. Her side of the story has been everywhere. This is his side. This is the most mind boggling shit. This dude appears to have been completely screwed over. And for the girls on TK - my missus is watching...
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    Opinion Why we lost today.

    Pretty simple shit really. Only covering the stuff that may not have been as obvious. Try #1. Here Kingy is obviously being done on the outside by Keary. KO has to take keary and if they can run hands and do us on the outside - fair play. Instead he buys the dummy and the rest is history. Try...
  58. Doogie

    Rd 14 vs Roosters 3-2-1

    3 TPJ 2 Fox 1 Harry Few other very honourable mentions. Just none named Haze or Waddell.
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    Yes my balls are large

    As most of you would know - the Doogie is a bit of a renaissance man. Interests in many drugs things and a dab hand at most activities. Now like most people, I've a bucket list which I've ticked off a few but one which I missed my boat on was a trip to the Baltoro glacier in Pakistan - the...
  60. Doogie

    Kenty may not do nrl360 for a while

    Just heard something on the news that he's held in custody for choking some chick. Disappointed - if it was some old drunk instead - the champers would be popping...
  61. Doogie

    Presser

    Haven't watched it yet but my guess is - tried hard. Shot ourselves in the foot. Happy to have Pele back.
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    Presser

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    Post match presser

    Biggest take home message - get the ball to Avo so the Crab doesn't have it. Yeah - thats fair.
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    Opinion Da bunker...

    So watching the Bunnies Penriff game. And just wondering am I dreaming or is this a stitch up. Bunnies challenge after 10 mins that 5th tackle and whether Yeo had played at the ball. So the on field decision is nah - Yeo hasn't played at it and that the Souths guy just got tackled on the 5th...
  65. Doogie

    Rd 7 vs Eels 3-2-1

    Okey dokey - here we go. 3 - whomever cut open Guthowhine. I'll take small wins 2 - Kingy 1 - TPJ (and for a 1st run for a while - loved the controlled aggression)
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    Opinion Sponsors

    Missus took the kid to the Easter show today and they bought some Penny's Pork Crackling. They mentioned to the stall holder they support the dogs and knew they were a player sponsor. The stall holder was stoked and threw the fam another half dozen bags of pork for knicks. The message - support...
  67. Doogie

    Rd 6 vs Rabbitohs 3-2-1

    Seems no one is keen for this so I'll give it a go. 3 - King/Preston (probably don't play any other week but we're so short on troops) 2 - Burton, gave it a go all the way to the end 1 - Suttons mums obstetrician. Have it on a good authority he recommended an abortion - gotta give a point for...
  68. Doogie

    Flanno vs...

    Talking to my kid today (before the game) and said if we swapped the Tigers halves for ours - we'd be a top 8 team. Not saying Brooks and Dohicky are any good - just that Flanno and Burton are bad. Ok - Burton showed tonight what he can do so I'll leave this to the HB. Here's a list of the...
  69. Doogie

    Bring back the biff

    League is bit stale at the moment. We're doing ok but I miss my league biff. So challenging all to put up there best biff videos. This is a bit more than biff but by far the craziest shit I've seen - should get you inspired (and thanks to PNG footy - u guys are sick fckers - plenty more than this).
  70. Doogie

    Pick the boyfriend

    Amongst the usual disputes amongst team selections, religious and political beliefs and of course, how shit is chicken salt - felt a little competition is in order. No prizes - just be fairly cool if someone can guess this (and once guessed - would challenge someone else to throw up an option)...
  71. Doogie

    Opinion Would you consider...

    Reed at #7. Service is on point. Game management is on point. Has the respect of the players. Can play 80 mins. Short kicking game is on point. Not a fan of addition by subtraction but surely we can find someone to play at 9. Thoughts? Cannot go another year of Flanno - its bad for my mental...
  72. Doogie

    Cronulla riots - where were u

    Special on Channel 7 about the Cronulla riots on atm. Was running a custom Harley shop at the time at Taren Point and remember when it went down thinking fair play - knew the lifeguards and girls at Cronulla had copped a hard time for years from middle eastern kids. Bit overboard but fck me, no...
  73. Doogie

    News Latrine to become a sports commentator

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2022-latrell-mitchell-to-join-fox-sports-for-2023-nrl-season-what-shows-will-he-appear-on-news-updates/news-story/2e70fa6ad7a1b51cd8f1839fc2c85fb9 Kayo here I come....
  74. Doogie

    Latrell...

    Have to say - struggling to think of a footy player I despise more at the moment. Lets rolls through the rap sheet... - Broke covid regulations and got done shooting shit up on a property. The excuse? Getting in touch with his aboriginality. Sure, tribal aboriginals are well known for their...
  75. Doogie

    Greatest cover tackle of all time?

    Normally cannot stand rugby but Koroibete fck me - left winger making the tackle on the right touchline has to be about the best I've ever seen in any code. Stupidly brilliant.
  76. Doogie

    Stats fellas

    This week: Last week: Towelled up in run meters and towelled up in line breaks and post contact. The forwards are either not getting meters or we are giving up too many meters. Last week we defended our ass off to keep it respectable against a good team. This week against shit, we give up...
  77. Doogie

    News Flooding

    Just a heads up if in Sydney and surrounds. BOM are all over the shop with rainfall forecasts for the next 5 days - they've doubled rain during the day. If you're prone to flooding - keep your ears out as this is changing very quickly.
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    News Any unused dine and discover vouchers?

    I had 3 discover NSW vouchers - they expire tonight. https://www.9news.com.au/national/nsw-dine-and-discover-vouchers-2022-donate-unused-coupons-charities-pay-it-forward/70e27620-dffb-4475-8ba9-10f4d4ef6011 I have none now.
  79. Doogie

    Doogies Believe it or Not...

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/teen-caught-driving-motorised-esky-carrying-drugs-around-melbourne-suburb/5ada4274-af52-4e35-abc4-e1e0a929ded7 and b4 anyone asks - not my kid (but wish he was)....
  80. Doogie

    News Longest serving member

    Pretty cool thing...
  81. Doogie

    Official Be careful what u type - Fox Sports is lurking

    How did they know???
  82. Doogie

    Team song....

    Just watched the boys celebrating. Noticed 3 things... 1) All the usual 'i'm gunna leave' victims were hitting it hard.... 2) Topine came from nowhere to lead the song (in a suit jacket)... 3) Flanagan hung around the back and sort of joined in and out. Read that as u will.
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    Opinion Screwed up world

    Thought I'd create a thread to remind people, that for all the differences in Oz, we're pretty lucky when it gets down to it. This shit went down in China recently. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/police-arrest-nine-after-vicious-assault-on-women-in-china/101146990 Go to some of the...
  84. Doogie

    Opinion Flanagan vs SBW

    No idea how to post a poll but hypothetically whats worse. Flanagan as a footballer or SBW as a media commentator. I'm torn - cannot pick it.
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    Boyd Cordner

    Fck me - just saw an interview with him about Tedesco's origin selection. He is well on the way to serious mental issues - he's brain fckd. Sounded like he's a recovering stroke victim. Never liked the guy but fck me - Roosters need some accountability on this. They knew a while ago he was in...
  86. Doogie

    Opinion How to get back to the top...

    Here this out - then flame away. Sports is not really different to business. You have a set income and you need to make it work. So to be profitable, we need to either sell more than our competitors or lower our cost of manufacturing - similar to any other business. So lets start with...
  87. Doogie

    Opinion Is Hargreaves right?

    So Jarryd gets a walk for calling out Slutton for putting him on report. If you haven't seen it - link below. Watch carefully - Fisher Harris looks up to see where Slutton is, sees him close and then makes sure he looks like he's been shot. 8 pt try just to make it perfect. Robinson has a...
  88. Doogie

    Official Knights vs Dogs - Positives

    [crickets]
  89. Doogie

    Burton to test the open market

    If this is true - ffs....
  90. Doogie

    Just to make you more depressed - Tariq Sims.

    So apparently Tariq Sims was on $650k at the Drags this year. Compare that to the $$$'s for some of our forwards. Depressing thought. Now to make it worse. Everyone probably knows he signed with the Storm for 1 year. What you might not know is the Storm have $200k left in their cap for next...
  91. Doogie

    NRL has lost the plot

    So Anzac game - Tupou clotheslines a dude in a potential try scoring position and gets... a penalty and on report. Jeremy Marshall Useless gets his arm caught in a tackle and gets.... 10 in the bin + the penalty. Its all become a fckng joke now.
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    Interesting stat...

    Tbaz currently shares the record for the worse win % for Bulldogs coach in history. Per wiki back to the Gus days (games, wins, losses, draws) In case you want to know who he currently shares the record with - its good old Tedda Courtney. Sure you remember our coach during the stupendously...
  93. Doogie

    Opinion Views of the Lizard Lord

    Game over. Disappointing loss. Positives: - Forwards played well for 40 mins - Shiraz looked good - Halves looked ok when they were patient - Cannot really complain about the on field ref - 2 complete rooks on the field and neither looked out of place there. Negatives: - Any game where u let...
  94. Doogie

    Kennel opinion

    I had an argument with someone today. I believe I'm right and the other dick is wrong. Once I learnt the truth of this - I refused to ever support it again. The issue at question is - do you have chicken salt on hot chips? I'd rather have my nuts cut off than eat chicken salt. Plain salt. End...
  95. Doogie

    Opinion Time to give some back

    Ok Doggies. 29th May - Belmore Oval vs the Drag Queens. I propose we have a celebration - called give it to the ref day. I would like to see all the Kennellers there - plus add in any of your mates - and we spend the entire game telling the ref how fckng corrupt they are. No bottles - just an...
  96. Doogie

    News Dogs Presser

    The key message was that Baz is a coner like me. Green shoots.... https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2022-trent-barrett-kyle-flanagan-canterbury-bulldogs-vs-penrith-panthers-round-5/news-story/b2fb3189085039fe0b3a7dec100caef2
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    Positives (and no pisstake)...

    We lose by 20 against the prems but... - we're down 68-32% on territory - only 24/37 completions - we played 12 on 14 for the whole game (we had Dufty and they had the ref) That has a 60 point game written all over it. Thought Flanno looked ok. Avo finally realised when the winger closes on...
  98. Doogie

    MMA/UFC Volk wins again

    Great card. - Volk way too good - Sterling wins as Yan keeps forgetting to fight for 2 rounds - @tonee, your man - what a fight. He's not sitting on only wearing one sig hit anymore. Burns gave him the kitchen sink. Thought Borz got the cookies but could see it being called a draw. And some...
  99. Doogie

    Why we lost

    Thought I'd brew overnight on this before I put anything up. Lets start with the game stats. All basically even except: - run metres 1500 odd to 1000 odd (and storm had the leg up on this with at least 200m in gifts). - line breaks 6 - 0 storm - offloads 22-10 doggies and we won the territory...
  100. Doogie

    News Barrett presser

    Save u the time fellas. We played the way we trained all week. Buckleys of scoring a point.
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