The Real Outcomes of BLM

[Dogna88]

and another political thread.

Hahaha wow.

When are people going to realise. No one cares about you. Left. Right. Top. Bottom. Lol. They all have their own greedy agendas.

The left and right posters on this forum arnt any better than the other.

Should just settle the dispute with a good old fight to the death

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Well tell me then - why all the outrage for Floyd but so far almost none for these two babies.

And my point about BLM being marixst is not a conspiracy theory, it's a noted fact. The founders of BLM have all publicly stated this (you can find the videos yourself on youtube) and their official website states it.

If you are truly an advocate for blacks and minorities then why aren't you questioning the media who only seem to be bringing one side of the story to you. You should be asking why you haven't been told (or at least not told to the same extent) about these black babies.

There's simple answers to your questions which you'll probably ignore (as you have so far ignored) :

1) outage over Floyd death was about systemic racism and police killing blacks more than Whites. The death of two people, while terrible, is a completely different thing and doesn't represent a problem with the entire system

2) While I don't agree with Marxism, not every Marxism has a conspiracy to take over the world. Marxism is just a political ideology like any political ideology. Do you want us to get angry and Republicans and Democrats based on their political ideologies?

 

[Flanagun]

I'm just making a fairly reasonable point that it seems strange that something as abhorent as the shooting of 2 x 1 year old babies went largely unreported. There seems to be little to no outrage about it. That leads a reasonable person to question why (when in contrast, Floyd's death lead to a month of rioting and looting). Personally, I'm far more offended at crimes against children rather than crimes against adults.

IT would appear to be a reasonable conclusion to infer that the reason for the reporting / lack of reporting may have something to do with the colour of the skin of the perpretrator.

There is no narrative in the media to get into a moral panic over black people killing other black people. The narrative is that white / western society is the only or main reason for bad life outcomes when they happen to black / ethnic / minorities. You are not allowed to suggest that there could be other reasons (very similar to the gender pay gap where we were told that the ONLY reason for the gap in wages between men and women was oppression - whereas the truth is that there are 20-30 factors responsible for differences in wages).

That word reasonable again...

I would think a reasonable person would be morally outraged by any act of murder...especially an unprovoked one. I would also think that any reasonable person would be able to see the difference between a murder committed by a random criminal and a murder committed by a person charged with maintaining order. I would think that a reasonable person would realise gun violence is a widespread cultural issue in the US and not just a racial one. I would think a reasonable person would understand that moral panic about BLM protesters still exists in mainstream discourse and is still drummed up by conservative media outlets and politicians - including the current president. who has repeatedly equated the violent words and actions of a militant minority to the majority. I would think that any reasonable person would believe it is possible to hold individuals responsible for their actions, while still being willing to examine overarching systems which contribute to high crime rates in some communities. I would think a reasonable person would understand it is possible to examine ways of making society more equitable without going full communist etc, etc.....

Welcome to America, where children and shot and killed every day. It's a major problem that people have been going on about for decades and it always gets pushed under the rug because gun culture is American culture.

Don't you know gun violence is only a problem if the person pulling the trigger is a black person? Tsk, tsk.

 

[Dawgfather]

There's simple answers to your questions which you'll probably ignore (as you have so far ignored) :

1) outage over Floyd death was about systemic racism and police killing blacks more than Whites. The death of two people, while terrible, is a completely different thing and doesn't represent a problem with the entire system

2) While I don't agree with Marxism, not every Marxism has a conspiracy to take over the world. Marxism is just a political ideology like any political ideology. Do you want us to get angry and Republicans and Democrats based on their political ideologies?

Police do not kill blacks more than whites when you account for the amount of crime committed by blacks. I shouldn't need to tell you this, you're one of the people on here that seem to at least do a bit of research.

 

[SoulCrusher]

and another political thread.

Hahaha wow.

When are people going to realise. No one cares about you. Left. Right. Top. Bottom. Lol. They all have their own greedy agendas.

The left and right posters on this forum arnt any better than the other.

Should just settle the dispute with a good old fight to the death

We need to starting choosing our pm's in the octogon. If nothing else it will assures us of never having a woman in there again.

 

[Flanagun]

I'll give you a hint - they don't have multiple references to 'comrades', because they want to play 'let's be a communist for a day'.

Comrades is a term meaning allies and dates back at least as far as the 16th century.....the term wasn't even used by commies and socialists until the 19th century. There is zero chance of the USA ever becoming communist or being overrun by freaking Marxists.....ffs.

 

[Flanagun]

We need to starting choosing our pm's in the octogon. If nothing else it will assures us of never having a woman in there again.

Don't be too sure about that.... there are women out there who could tear Scott Morrison a new arsehole.

 

[Dawgfather]

Comrades is a term meaning allies and dates back at least as far as the 16th century.....the term wasn't even used by commies and socialists until the 19th century. There is zero chance of the USA ever becoming communist or being overrun by freaking Marxists.....ffs.

If you threatened (as has happened repeatedly for the past month) any big corporate by suggesting they weren't supporting BLM openly enough, each organisation would buckle at the knees faster than a $2 hooker.

People and organisations are petrified of being called racist (and for good reason), nobody wants to be a racist, it's an awful thing to be accused of.

And marxism and communist theory has been taught for decades at american colleges and schools. There is a reason why it's all erupting now (multiple reasons actually) but one of them being that there is now an entire generation of american kids who have been taught political correctness and generally taught to hate themselves (particularly if they're white and male and straight).

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Police do not kill blacks more than whites when you account for the amount of crime committed by blacks. I shouldn't need to tell you this, you're one of the people on here that seem to at least do a bit of research.

Yep. If you recall the discussion from the other thread, I pointed out that the higher police shooting of blacks and higher criminality rate of blacks is some of the key factors resulting from the systemic racism in America, especially as it's coupled with the higher unemployment rates, lower education admission, lower education subsidies for black areas, higher gentrification, etc.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

We need to starting choosing our pm's in the octogon. If nothing else it will assures us of never having a woman in there again.

I don't know. Some of the MMA women would split ScoMo in half.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Don't be too sure about that.... there are women out there who could tear Scott Morrison a new arsehole.

Great minds yada yada

 

[Dawgfather]

Yep. If you recall the discussion from the other thread, I pointed out that the higher police shooting of blacks and higher criminality rate of blacks is some of the key factors resulting from the systemic racism in America, especially as it's coupled with the higher unemployment rates, lower education admission, lower education subsidies for black areas, higher gentrification, etc.

You're saying that racism is the reason why blacks are employed less and commit violent crimes? Can you elaborate?

I find this hard to believe given that another minority (asians) have some of the best education levels in New York (as one location example) and commit crimes at rates far lower than most other groups of society. If the logic is that america is racist and oppresses minorities, then why do asians do so well on education and wealth metrics?

 

[Flanagun]

If you threatened (as has happened repeatedly for the past month) any big corporate by suggesting they weren't supporting BLM openly enough, each organisation would buckle at the knees faster than a $2 hooker.

People and organisations are petrified of being called racist (and for good reason), nobody wants to be a racist, it's an awful thing to be accused of.

And marxism and communist theory has been taught for decades at american colleges and schools. There is a reason why it's all erupting now (multiple reasons actually) but one of them being that there is now an entire generation of american kids who have been taught political correctness and generally taught to hate themselves (particularly if they're white and male and straight).

Lol ok comrade, I have no more time for your alarmist nonsense at the present time.... see you at the politburo.

 

[Dawgfather]

Lol ok comrade, I have no more time for your alarmist nonsense at the present time.... see you at the politburo.

THey might be uncomfortable truths for you, but they are truths nonetheless.

 

[Flanagun]

THey might be uncomfortable truths for you, but they are truths nonetheless.

You are full of shit. That's the honest truth, comrade.

 

[Dawgfather]

You are full of shit. That's the honest truth, comrade.

Replies like this remind me why I used to avoid trying to have real discussions on thekennel. It features members like yourself and CaptainJackson who were either dropped on your heads as babies or are 'special kids' who lack the ability to hold a calm and rational debate and consider alternative arguments.

 

[Flanagun]

Replies like this remind me why I used to avoid trying to have real discussions on thekennel. It features members like yourself and CaptainJackson who were either dropped on your heads as babies or are 'special kids' who lack the ability to hold a calm and rational debate and consider alternative arguments.

Your pathetic attempt to use the murder of children to serve your political purposes generated almost no response, so you came on here the following day making passive aggressive claims about how we didn't care.....I then decided to come back on here and give you a rational and detailed response explaining what I thought of the issue....I also asked you a bunch of questions.....you completely ignored the majority of my response and disregarded my questions, choosing instead to ask me about what I felt about media coverage and then asking me a completely irrelevant question about social media profile pictures, of all things. People have repeatedly made the same points to you over and over again in response to certain points/ questions you raise.....you ignore those responses time and time again, choosing instead to act as if no response has been given and to repeat the same points and questions ad nauseum. You repeatedly shift the goal posts to steer discussion in the direction you want it to go, all the while taking passive aggressive pot shots at those who disagree with you.... and you wonder why people don't want to engage in a calm and rational discussion with you. You wouldn't know an uncomfortable truth if it bit you on the arse and you wouldn't know a friendly, rational discussion if it tickled your belly button and said "hello, my name is Mr Spock." You are nothing but a walking self parody, my friend. Now if you'll excuse me, I must bid you good day and get on with my work. Nice chatting though.

 

[Dawgfather]

Your pathetic attempt to use the murder of children to serve your political purposes generated almost no response,

I Don't have a political purpose. You don't need a political purpose to simply point out the simple truth that it is inconvenient when blacks pull the trigger. In these instances the media does not create uproar because it does not fit the narrative. When a white cop 'pulls the trigger', a different standard is used and everyone loses their mind for ~ a month.

There is nothing political about this, unless you believe that pointing out the bleeding obvious is political.

 

[Flanagun]

I Don't have a political purpose. You don't need a political purpose to simply point out the simple truth that it is inconvenient when blacks pull the trigger. In these instances the media does not create uproar because it does not fit the narrative. When a white cop 'pulls the trigger', a different standard is used and everyone loses their mind for ~ a month.

There is nothing political about this, unless you believe that pointing out the bleeding obvious is political.

There you go again......repeating that same, tired point which others have replied to countless times.

Almost everything you say on here is politically motivated. You even admitted to Hacky this thread was politically motivated in a previous comment. You are so political that when you do a shit it probably only ever lands on the right side of the bowl. Now please abandon the pretense. You are way too transparent to convince anyone you are all about free thinking and rationality.....you are almost 100 per cent ideologically motivated. Now why don't you piss off for a while and dredge up some new talking points from your dog eared copy of the Conservative's Free Thought Manual?

 

[Dawgfather]

There you go again......repeating that same, tired point which others have replied to countless times.

Almost everything you say on here is politically motivated. You even admitted to Hacky this thread was politically motivated in a previous comment. You are so political that when you do a shit it probably only ever lands on the right side of the bowl. Now please abandon the pretense. You are way too transparent to convince anyone you are all about free thinking and rationality.....you are almost 100 per cent ideologically motivated. Now why don't you piss off for a while and dredge up some new talking points from your dog eared copy of the Conservative's Free Thought Manual?

You seem like a really angry individual.

You may not like me pointing out the observation that many in western society went over the top about Floyd but then don't seem to care about two black babies (and many other examples) being shot to death in public. But that's for you to deal with.

I can point it out and you can choose to pretend it's not real or you can ask yourself some tough questions like "why did I care so much about one example of violence but not the other"?