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Tandy stood down by Bulldogs


CANTERBURY prop Ryan Tandy has been stood down indefinitely by the club. The 29-year-old was yesterday charged with giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission hearings investigating an alleged betting sting on an NRL game.

The decision to stand down Tandy from club duties, while he is before the courts, is understandable considering the severity of the charge and the enormous publicity surrounding it. Tandy faces a possible five-year jail term if found guilty.

The Bulldogs' efforts to deal with Tandy's immediate future have been complicated by a couple of factors.

His mobile phone was confiscated by police and he is therefore difficult to contact. Also, chief executive Todd Greenberg and coach Kevin Moore, as well as assistant Brett Kimmorley, are in Port Douglas trying to organise flights out of cyclone-hit far north Queensland.

The Bulldogs resume training on Monday, and the absence of Tandy will allow the team to continue preparing for the season without the accompaniment of a media circus following him around.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/tandy-stood-down-by-bulldogs-20110203-1af8t.html
 

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Bulldogs forced to act tough on Ryan Tandy

Brent Read From: The Australian February 03, 2011 9:07PM

RYAN Tandy may be an innocent man. He may have played no part in the betting sting that threatens his career and he may be cleared of charges that he lied to police.

But Canterbury can't take any chances and that's why Tandy has been relieved of his duties.

This is a club barely back on its feet. Two years ago, the Bulldogs couldn't find a major sponsor. They were on the nose with big business following a series of public relations disasters, which culminated in Sonny Bill Williams' shock decision to walk out.

Faced with an unpalatable situation, chief executive Todd Greenberg - arguably the finest administrator in the NRL - began the process of rehabilitation by offering the front of the jersey to charitable organisation Camp Quality.

It was a masterstroke and it wasn't the only one. Under Greenberg's leadership, the Bulldogs re-built. They deliberately recruited players like Brett Kimmorley and Michael Ennis, leaders with strong character.

They handed the coaching reins to Kevin Moore, a man with an intimate knowledge of what once made Canterbury one of the premiership's flagship clubs. They cleared out the dead wood and started again.

In a short time the Bulldogs have come a long way. A jersey given away only two years ago is once again among the most coveted in the NRL. A club no one wanted to join has become a magnet for quality players.

The Bulldogs have been down and out so they know how much they stand to lose. They know the damage negative publicity can have on a club. They know perception is reality in the NRL. Tandy's every move would have been shadowed until his court date on March 3.

Faced with a difficult situation, they did the only thing they could. They told Tandy to stay away until his court hearing is complete. It's a brave decision by everyone involved, but particularly Moore.

The Dogs coach is coming off a lean year. He is off contract at the end of the year and under pressure to produce a good season. If there is a lean position at the Bulldogs it is in the front row.

The club lost Ben Hannant and Jarrad Hickey in the off-season. They recruited Aiden Tolman from Melbourne but he is coming off a serious injury. New Zealander Sam Kasiano has been earmarked as a future star, but is yet to play first grade.

Tandy would have expected to play a prominent role. Instead, he has been stood down and faces the sack should the allegations against him be proved. The Bulldogs could have taken the soft option. But they put the club's reputation before personal aspirations.

In truth, officials hoped the decision would be taken out of their hands. They hoped Tandy would see the light and fall on his sword. Instead, the Bulldogs were forced to act.

The club drew a line in the sand two years ago when it was at its lowest ebb. Tandy may be innocent. But the Bulldogs can't afford to take the risk.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...gh-on-ryan-tandy/story-e6frg7mf-1225999782517
 

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I'm all for Eastwood playing front row, but 1. he is injured and 2. we leave a big gap in the 2nd row. I would give foster a go but Moore will always pick Warburton first! Kasiano is still only young, no one can tell what he will be like in fg yet. I'd have Browne, Paea and Armit over Hodgo but with what Moore showed us last year this will never happen either! Which ever way you look at it we are a few front rowers short.
when moore was confident in foster, he gave him a shot in 1st grade last year and moved warburton into nsw cup. foster then went and got injured and it prevented him from being able to play the rest of the season, as his selection was at the back end of the year. there are so many experienced players that moore will choose well before warburton, it's not funny. we have depth now, but didn't have it last year. warburton will be in nsw cup, pending some attrocious injury toll to our backrow stocks in 2011. you're too paranoid after 2010 lol. never said this before, but, 'mark my words' ha ha

Tandy has been charged with giving false information to the Commission. We don't know what that false information was but we can infer I think that it related to something the police can check. Police can check physical things such as documents and phone calls as well as statements eg "I didn't get a call from S** telling me to ensure a penalty in front of the sticks". Even if you have physical or verbal evidence there is a lot of context and intent to be decided by a jury/magistrate.

Charging someone with making a false statement is something of an admission that you don't like the chargee, you think they did it but you cannot prove it. Todd G and the press are suggesting Tandy stands down but if I were his manager I would advise him not to. The NRL have overreacted and caused a lot of damage to several players careers in the last couple of years including the Bulldogs team, Stewart and Houston.

Gallop and the NRL are driven by the media and they seem to be able to make these snap decisions and push anyone around. It is not right and is a denial of natural justice. If I were Manly I would be suing the NRL over the way they treated Stewart which had a direct impact on their season, revenue and sponsorship.

I don't know if Tandy did it or not. If he did and we can prove it then he should be punished but I would also want to look at his alleged gambling problem as well. I am saying that he denies it and he has not faced court and until he does and a verdict is delivered we and the NRL should assume innocence. He is not accused of anything that makes him a danger to himself or those around him so there is no case that I can see for precipitate action.
this is an interesting appraisal and i would hope that any club that gets put in such circumstances by the nrl who is able to exercise such legal footing would man up and serve one right between the eyes of gallop and news limited if they do indeed have a strong case upon this or similar basis

Bulldogs forced to act tough on Ryan Tandy

Brent Read From: The Australian February 03, 2011 9:07PM

RYAN Tandy may be an innocent man. He may have played no part in the betting sting that threatens his career and he may be cleared of charges that he lied to police.

But Canterbury can't take any chances and that's why Tandy has been relieved of his duties.

This is a club barely back on its feet. Two years ago, the Bulldogs couldn't find a major sponsor. They were on the nose with big business following a series of public relations disasters, which culminated in Sonny Bill Williams' shock decision to walk out.

Faced with an unpalatable situation, chief executive Todd Greenberg - arguably the finest administrator in the NRL - began the process of rehabilitation by offering the front of the jersey to charitable organisation Camp Quality.

It was a masterstroke and it wasn't the only one. Under Greenberg's leadership, the Bulldogs re-built. They deliberately recruited players like Brett Kimmorley and Michael Ennis, leaders with strong character.

They handed the coaching reins to Kevin Moore, a man with an intimate knowledge of what once made Canterbury one of the premiership's flagship clubs. They cleared out the dead wood and started again.

In a short time the Bulldogs have come a long way. A jersey given away only two years ago is once again among the most coveted in the NRL. A club no one wanted to join has become a magnet for quality players.

The Bulldogs have been down and out so they know how much they stand to lose. They know the damage negative publicity can have on a club. They know perception is reality in the NRL. Tandy's every move would have been shadowed until his court date on March 3.

Faced with a difficult situation, they did the only thing they could. They told Tandy to stay away until his court hearing is complete. It's a brave decision by everyone involved, but particularly Moore.

The Dogs coach is coming off a lean year. He is off contract at the end of the year and under pressure to produce a good season. If there is a lean position at the Bulldogs it is in the front row.

The club lost Ben Hannant and Jarrad Hickey in the off-season. They recruited Aiden Tolman from Melbourne but he is coming off a serious injury. New Zealander Sam Kasiano has been earmarked as a future star, but is yet to play first grade.

Tandy would have expected to play a prominent role. Instead, he has been stood down and faces the sack should the allegations against him be proved. The Bulldogs could have taken the soft option. But they put the club's reputation before personal aspirations.

In truth, officials hoped the decision would be taken out of their hands. They hoped Tandy would see the light and fall on his sword. Instead, the Bulldogs were forced to act.

The club drew a line in the sand two years ago when it was at its lowest ebb. Tandy may be innocent. But the Bulldogs can't afford to take the risk.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...gh-on-ryan-tandy/story-e6frg7mf-1225999782517
haven't seen simmo post for a while, but i lost count how much i drilled this new reality into him :p

tis the way it is. that's life (in professional sport in todays world)
 

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EARLY morning home raids, cars searched, mobile phones confiscated, computers seized and a player accused of lying to police.
Welcome to the most dramatic and tumultuous NRL pre-season imaginable, with only Cyclone Yasi keeping the game and its latest scandal off the front pages.

The NRL betting sting investigation into last year's Bulldogs-Cowboys game resulted in the arrest yesterday of Bulldogs front-rower Ryan Tandy (pictured) on a charge of giving false and misleading information to a law enforcement agency.

It is a serious allegation that if proven could lead to a jail term of up to five years. Tandy was granted conditional bail and will appear at the Downing Centre Local Court on Thursday, March 3.

Both Bulldogs CEO Todd Greenberg and the NRL last night indicated they would wait until the outcome of the court case before making a decision on Tandy's future in the game.

Tandy was the player who gave away a highly suspicious penalty early in the match against the Cowboys following a huge plunge on a penalty goal as the first scoring option.

Tandy has denied that his conduct was deliberate or tied to the betting.

His arrest at 11.30am in the Sydney CBD followed a series of simultaneous home raids by investigating detectives early on Tuesday morning.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal police were knocking on the door of Tandy's rented Bronte apartment at 7am, while at the same time raiding player agent Sam Ayoub at Strathfield and colourful rugby league identity John Elias, who lives with his mother at Punchbowl.

Ayoub, who has denied any illegal activity, shares the house with former Roosters and now Parramatta player Brad Murray, who was caught on CCTV footage placing substantial bets on the option of the Cowboys scoring first points from a penalty goal.

When contacted by The Daily Telegraph, Ayoub said: "I don't know who is telling you things ... I'm with people - I've got to go."

After leaving Ayoub's house and seizing a mobile phone and documents, a witness said police then searched his BMW that was parked in the driveway.

In Punchbowl, detectives showed Elias still photos from CCTV footage of a man placing bets on the game at the Rozelle and Haberfield TAB agencies - then asked if it was him.

Elias confirmed he was the person in the photos but denies any involvement in a sting.

"Is there any law against having a bet," Elias said.

The NRL is resisting pressure to stand Tandy down. "A number of players have played when they have been charged," said spokesman John Brady.

"We do not have the information that allows us to take a view at the moment. It was a closed hearing with the police before it goes to court.

"We need to give the police investigation full opportunity to determine what happened and that is our view at the moment."



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EVEN if police do not end up laying charges over the investigation into suspicious betting activity on the Cowboys-Bulldogs game late last season, the NRL would probably still take action.

It is likely the league would be free to consider the evidence gathered by police under the Freedom of Information Act and decide whether, in its view, anyone under its jurisdiction had breached league rules and should be penalised. At the very least, Parramatta halfback Brad Murray faces some degree of penalty after he was shown on CCTV footage placing a bet on a Cowboys penalty goal as the first scoring play at a TAB outlet inside a Flemington hotel on August 19, two days before the game. That could involve a warning, a fine or a suspension.

The NRL issued a media release in the wake of Bulldogs prop Ryan Tandy yesterday being charged with giving false/misleading evidence at a Crime Commission hearing, and in it chief executive David Gallop said the police were the appropriate people to deal with the matter at this stage.

Contacted by the Herald last night, and asked what the league might do down the track, Gallop replied: ''At this stage we're letting it [the investigation] finish, and obviously we will be looking at our options after that, depending on the result.''

Asked if the league would seek to explore the evidence under the Freedom of Information Act, if there were no charges, Gallop replied: ''Yes. There may not be criminal charges, but there may be breaches of the [league's] rules.''

Gallop indicated he would like to review the evidence, with regard to possible league action, whether the police charge anyone or not.

Detective Superintendent Arthur Katsogiannis, representing the Casino and Racing Investigation Unit which is conducting the investigation, refused to say yesterday whether Murray had been interviewed by police. ''I wouldn't be prepared to speculate on that. I can't comment on it,'' Katsogiannis said.

The commission is an extremely private element of the police force and the refusal by Katsogiannis to elaborate when answering questions at a media conference was a clear indication of the effect of the commission's involvement in an investigation.

He said: ''In relation to the Crime Commission, all I can say is this: we, NSW Police, sought the assistance of the NSW Crime Commission after we first got the initial complaint from the NRL, because it's been a very difficult and challenging investigation and it's not an unusual circumstance to use other law enforcement.''

Asked if the investigation was far off being completed, he said: ''We're in the final stages of the investigation, but I'm not going to speculate on a time frame. We'll take as long as we can to make sure any other information that comes to hand is examined.''

Apart from having interviewed players from the Cowboys and Bulldogs, Katsogiannis said he was ''not prepared to speculate or disclose which players or other individuals we're currently investigating''.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...investigation-is-complete-20110202-1adv3.html
 

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WHEN Ryan Tandy was called to give evidence at the NSW Crime Commission's headquarters in Kent Street, he might not have been aware of the enormous investigative tools at the commission's disposal.

The highly secretive commission targets serious criminal activity using specialised personnel, including financial analysts, electronic surveillance and, most importantly, the powers to obtain information through secret hearings and the production of documents - powers not normally available to NSW police officers.

At their secret hearings, the commission can compel witnesses to answer questions, and can also have people prosecuted for lying.

Having been charged with giving false-misleading evidence at one of the commission's hearings, Tandy faces the prospect of five years' jail, a hefty fine or both, should he be found guilty. He has been granted bail and will appear in Downing Centre Local Court on March 3.

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A shrewd bookmaker blew the whistle on a bizarre betting plunge, writes Chris Barrett.

The attention of the nation was anywhere but on Dairy Farmers Stadium on the night of Saturday, August 21 last year, and the hours leading up to it. It was on the federal election - coincidentally (or not, perhaps, in retrospect) held on the same day - and a thoroughly more vital contest than that between two of the season's NRL also-rans, North Queensland and Canterbury.

Yet while just about all eyes focused squarely on Julia Gillard, Tony Abbott and the extra-time tallying that would eventually confirm the former as Prime Minister, something was brewing that would make the day a notorious one for rugby league, too.

The first signs came on the day before, the Friday morning, and as one would expect the first to twig that all was not as it should be were the betting agencies. Cash was beginning to be lodged for the Cowboys - the outsiders and by some margin the worst team in the NRL last year - but not simply to win. Instead, the wagers were on the hosts - like the Bulldogs, no chance of making the semi-finals - to score first with a penalty goal.

''On the Friday morning, a guy who worked for another bookie had a bet on it with us,'' says Gerard Daffy, the experienced bookmaker who now runs sportsalive.com. ''I think he had $100 or $150 on at double-figure odds so I made it shorter. I thought, 'We'll keep out of this.'''

By the following morning, the day of the game, he was surprised to see the drop in odds had not exactly proved prohibitive. And on the most wildly unusual of betting categories.

''We then had it at $6 and, lo and behold, a new account in a female's name submitted a $1000 bet at $6,'' Daffy says. ''The gambler in me says you should be taking something like that because it's grossly under the odds but I'm always wary of things like that. In gambling if something doesn't look right, it normally isn't.''

Daffy, perplexed by the unusual direction of the punting, resolved to check it out. He had used the firm's interceptor software, which agencies use to examine any bet of their choosing before accepting it, and decided to contact other bookmakers to see if there had been a similar trend.

What he found, of course, confirmed his suspicions. Most of his opponents had closed that specific market after witnessing similar activity. Daffy quickly did the same, allowing that new punter a $100 wager, rather than $1000. In the hours later the league cognoscenti, not unaccustomed to a rumour or two, would be rife with text-message talk that ''the fix was in''.

Five hours before kick-off, Scott Woodward, a league analyst who had been keeping a close watch on NRL prices, caught on. He sent a text to the former NSW prop Peter Tunks, who was on air at the radio station 2SM. Woodward's message said: ''This looks a hot game.''

Others were of the same opinion. ''For a game like that it was more than unusual,'' says Glenn Munsie of TAB Sportsbet. ''[The Cowboys] were the outsider in the game … they'd kicked a penalty goal once all year as a first scoring play.''

Over at Centrebet, analysts first spied that something was up on the Friday night. It was then that the first of moves by three Sydney punters, as well as other minor ones, would begin with them.

''The initial bet, which raised a bit of an eyebrow, was $1000 at $9. That was made at around at 5.30 on Friday night, the day before the game,'' says Centrebet's Neil Evans.

''I could tell from the way the book was treated from there that it was a twig … It was a 'bet of interest'.''

Centrebet, unlike Daffy and some the others, did not immediately turn the market off. But the realisation that a plunge was on was made very apparent to them as the 7.30pm kick-off in Townsville approached.

''Another Sydney-based punter had $1000 on at $7.50. This bet was placed exactly 24 hours later, two hours from the kick-off of the match. At this stage there had been other bets made - $200, $300, $500 as well. Then there was a third-Sydney based punter who got involved.

''He had several bets up to $500 from $7.50 down to $5. That came at around the same time on Saturday afternoon - right in the middle of the federal election. By this stage you're thinking, 'Something is doing here.'''

In that 24-hour period, the Cowboys first scorer with a penalty goal option fluctuated from $11 to $3 with Centrebet. The agency would have stood to lose about $20,000 had the Cowboys not, of course, declined an early shot at a two-pointer and instead scored a try in the left corner. Overall, across the agencies, punters stood to win almost $250,000 if the play eventuated.

''Ninety-five per cent of the money for the first scoring play was on a Cowboys penalty goal,'' Evans said. ''The Bulldogs were $1.59 favourites [to win the game] yet you barely had $100 from the betting community on a Bulldogs first try.''

At some point on that Saturday afternoon, the NRL was notified of the betting trends and the subsequently closed markets. Those privy to that information at the time ignored the election coverage and sat glued to their televisions, despite the match being a meaningless one in terms of the coming NRL play-offs.

''We got advised that the market had been closed on the weekend … clearly [we] watched the match with interest,'' NRL official John Brady said. ''While the result didn't suggest anything, we certainly kept an eye on it and had some discussions with betting operators about it on the Monday morning.

''Off the back of those discussions, we've got integrity agreements that allow us to look into betting detail. By Tuesday we'd decided to bring [Racing NSW chief steward] Ray Murrihy in to have a more forensic look for us.''

A resolution to the federal election would not be reached for 17 days until two independent kingmakers would hand Gillard the reins to the country. The fallout from the NRL betting scandal is, five months later, only just beginning.

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TODD Greenberg spent Wednesday night locked in a bathroom at a five-star resort in Cairns.
In a bath, holding a mattress for protection.

Outside, Cyclone Yasi was moving in - but it was not the only storm heading his way.

Earlier in the day, Greenberg had learned of Ryan Tandy's arrest by phone, as he sat bunkered down with coach Kevvie Moore, Brett Kimmorley and club chairman George Peponis in Far North Queensland.

But, as the hours counted down to the arrival of one of the worst cyclone's in Australia's history, as hard as he tried, Greenberg just couldn't get Tandy off his mind.

So as Yasi howled above him like a roaring jumbo jet, Greenberg considered his options.

What was best for the club? What was best for Ryan Tandy?

By morning, there was no power at the motel, his phone wasn't working and he was stranded from returning to Sydney.

But he wasn't about to have the day off. So he asked Peponis for his phone, and Greenberg got busy with work. When you're in charge of a footy club, it's what you do.

And by late afternoon, Greenberg must have known there was only one decision that could be made.

So, by phone and email, they put together a media release. it was carefully constructed, and chock full of legal jargon.

Then, shortly after 7pm last night, it arrived. The statement referred to "Mr Tandy". And it all sounded so impersonal. Not Ryan. Not even Ryan Tandy. Just Mr Tandy.

But this wasn't personal, it was business. The way it had to be.

Tandy was stood down so the Bulldogs can finally get on with business - the business of preparing for season 2011.

It's just 35 days to go, and counting. Don't worry, Greenberg had tried to get in contact with his player but found it difficult.

You see, Tandy's mobile phone had been confiscated during the police raids of his rented Bronte unit earlier in the week.

Last night Bulldogs legend Steve Mortimer made a pretty good point.

He said Greenberg got this one right - it was Tandy who got it wrong by not standing himself down.

For Turvey, this wasn't about guilt or innocence. it was about the club.

For Mortimer, it's always about what's best for the club.

He's always been that way - always will be. It seems Greenberg lives by the same philosophy.

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CANTERBURY legend Steve Mortimer last night supported the Bulldogs' decision to stand down Ryan Tandy - he just wishes Tandy had made the decision himself.
"I will tell you right now, I have had the greatest faith in Todd Greenberg and the board ... but personally, if I was in Ryan Tandy's shoes, I would have stood myself down," Mortimer said.

The Bulldogs' decision last night followed Tandy's arrest on Wednesday on a charge of giving false and misleading information to a law enforcement agency.

Tandy has denied any wrongdoing in the NRL betting sting investigation but the charge he faces is a serious allegation that, if proven, could lead to a jail term of up to five years.

Tandy was the player who gave away a highly controversial penalty early in the round 24 match last year between the Cowboys and the Bulldogs in Townsville following a huge plunge on a penalty goal as the first scoring option. He has denied that his conduct was deliberate or tied to the betting.

In a statement last night, the Bulldogs said: "The Club today convened a meeting of its Board and Disciplinary Committee. Following receipt of legal advice, it has been determined that it would be in the best interests of the Club and Mr Tandy that he should be excused from his obligations until further notice.

"The Club makes no comment about the charges laid against Mr Tandy or their merits. These are matters before the Court and Mr Tandy is entitled to answer those charges in due course. The Club has informed Mr Tandy that it reserves its rights concerning his contract as the situation develops and more information becomes known."

The club also informed Tandy that it would consider any request for access to support services by him which is deemed necessary over the period he is excused from his duties.

But Mortimer said he could not understand why the player didn't make the move first, saying it was the obligation of the player to stand down.

"Absolutely, I believe that is the case," Mortimer said.

"If I was in his shoes, to show integrity, I would stand down, irrespective of guilt or innocence. That is not my point. For his teammates, they would have feelings here and it is not for them to have to come in on this.

"It is not for Andrew Ryan to make the decision to ask him.

"I believe it was his decision to make. If I was in Ryan Tandy's shoes I would certainly have shown the initiative, shown some form of credibility, and stand down until the case is finished."

The Bulldogs last night refused to make any further comment but Rugby League Players' Association boss David Garnsey said he was in the dark on whether Tandy had played any part in the club's decision.

Tandy is due to appear in court on March 3.

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BULLDOGS legend Steve Mortimer last night supported the club's decision to stand down prop Ryan Tandy, saying it was the sensible way to handle a difficult situation.

''There are two things I want to say,'' Mortimer told the Herald. ''One, the decision [chief executive] Todd Greenberg and the board have come up with, I support 100 per cent. And, two, if I was in Ryan Tandy's shoes, I would accept that it was the right way to go.

''And that's regardless of whether he turns out to be innocent or guilty. If he is innocent, the truth will come out. If he is guilty, it's even more important to step down. Either way, with all the coverage this is getting before the start of the season, it's best to be stood down until the matter is finalised.''

Mortimer stressed that his support of the club's decision was not a judgment of Tandy, but, rather, an acknowledgement that his continued presence at training was likely to have been a distraction.

''It could have only been counter-productive to the club,'' he said. ''There will be more speculation, and the media would have continued to be around. That sort of thing can be a distraction that affects a lot of people at a club.''

NRL chief executive David Gallop also backed the decision by the Bulldogs. The league was waiting to see what the Bulldogs did after Tandy was charged on Wednesday with providing false or misleading evidence at a NSW Crime Commission hearing.

''That's the best position for everyone, including Ryan, at the moment,'' Gallop said. ''It goes without saying that we would like to see the whole issue resolved one way or another as soon as possible, but we support the position the Bulldogs have taken.''

Tandy appeared before the commission as an extension of the investigation by the Casino and Racing Investigation Unit into suspicious betting activity on a game between Canterbury and North Queensland last August.

Punters plunged on a Cowboys penalty goal as the first scoring play, an option that is generally considered a novelty and which usually doesn't attract much interest. Police are likely to know by the end of the month whether they will lay any charges as a result of the investigation.

Mortimer said he found it hard to comprehend that any player would consider getting involved in match fixing, or ''spot'' fixing, as is the suspicion by police in this instance.

Asked to imagine how he would have felt had someone in a team he played in attempted to do such a thing, Mortimer replied: ''I would have been gutted. It would have disappointed me enormously. It goes against the grain of any team sport.

''There is an old saying that the chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and that's true in football. I can't imagine anyone in a team I was involved in ever doing such a thing. I shudder to think it could happen now - it would open up all sorts of problems in our game.''

Greenberg and the board have been heavily responsible for reinstating the Bulldogs to a position as one of the most admired clubs in the NRL, after successive dramas in the first half of the previous decade had tarnished it. Mortimer said he did not think the club's brand had been hurt by this episode.

''There is absolutely no need for the club's sponsors, or anyone else, to be concerned,'' he said.

''Todd and the board have made the right decision. It's a good, strong brand, and the club's management has done a great job in bringing it to this point.''

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Yeah didn't think the media would go in slagging the club. They seem to respect Greenberg quite a bit which is great.

What I'm curious about is - why wasn't the penalty goal taken? Did someone get spooked? That someone would've been on the Cowboys side of things surely, unless Tandy and co just assumed a goal would be taken without suring it up on the other side which is risky for them - if they are guilty, of course.
 

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I'm just loving the 'lynch mob' comments being posted on the Telecrap... nuffies clamouring to kick the Bulldogs out of the competition for (once again) bringing the league in to disrepute...

Wow... Tandy fks up on his own accord and we bring the league in to disrepute??? ROFL

It's kinda sad that intelligent rugby league supporters are too few and far between...
 

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I just cannot agree with Steve Mortimer or the club in this. We have seen the 2004 Bulldogs side slandered and over the last couple of years Houston (who lost a year of his career), Stewart who lost weeks, Laffranchi etc. There does need to be a policy but that policy should not be to shut you out of the game if you are charged with an offence.

The underlying assumption is that it brings the game into disrepute and that is enough to get rid of you. That is not the way our society should work. You are charged and the Magistrate makes a decision in the bail hearing whether your freedom is a risk to yourself or others. If it is not they let you out until the trial.

Arguably some crimes are not relevant to your football at all. There are plenty of great footballers over the years who did time and some had to be regularly bailed. So in my mind there are 3 stages....speculation/ charged but free/ convicted and available (if you are in prison there is no decision to make). The Bulldogs handled the speculation part well as they stood by their player. Tandy is now in stage 2 and in my mind he should be allowed to play. If he were convicted but given community service would we allow him to play? The press is driving this. The press looked disappointed that there were no deaths in North Qld yesterday morning and they are looking for deaths (of careers) in the NRL.
 

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Yeah didn't think the media would go in slagging the club. They seem to respect Greenberg quite a bit which is great.

What I'm curious about is - why wasn't the penalty goal taken? Did someone get spooked?
i think it was a quick tap by the cowboys hooker who wasnt informed of the master plan
 

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I just cannot agree with Steve Mortimer or the club in this. We have seen the 2004 Bulldogs side slandered and over the last couple of years Houston (who lost a year of his career), Stewart who lost weeks, Laffranchi etc. There does need to be a policy but that policy should not be to shut you out of the game if you are charged with an offence.

The underlying assumption is that it brings the game into disrepute and that is enough to get rid of you. That is not the way our society should work. You are charged and the Magistrate makes a decision in the bail hearing whether your freedom is a risk to yourself or others. If it is not they let you out until the trial.

Arguably some crimes are not relevant to your football at all. There are plenty of great footballers over the years who did time and some had to be regularly bailed. So in my mind there are 3 stages....speculation/ charged but free/ convicted and available (if you are in prison there is no decision to make). The Bulldogs handled the speculation part well as they stood by their player. Tandy is now in stage 2 and in my mind he should be allowed to play. If he were convicted but given community service would we allow him to play? The press is driving this. The press looked disappointed that there were no deaths in North Qld yesterday morning and they are looking for deaths (of careers) in the NRL.
What about team harmony though? It's not like a rape allegation where the allegation itself affects the way his team mates trust him. It's directly involved with the team and the game. I know I wouldn't want to be playing with a guy with that hanging over his head. I know he needs his day in court but you can still be distrusting of someone when nothing has been proven and it wouldn't be crazy if the rest of the boys didn't trust him after this. His alleged actions have dragged them all through police interviews too, not to mention the media attention they'll get from it. The club's actions might not be so much about punishing Tandy as they are about doing what's best for the team and the success of our club. We also have sponsors and fans to think of and guilty or not, just the allegation is tarnishing our image.
 

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What about team harmony though? It's not like a rape allegation where the allegation itself affects the way his team mates trust him. It's directly involved with the team and the game. I know I wouldn't want to be playing with a guy with that hanging over his head. I know he needs his day in court but you can still be distrusting of someone when nothing has been proven and it wouldn't be crazy if the rest of the boys didn't trust him after this. His alleged actions have dragged them all through police interviews too, not to mention the media attention they'll get from it. The club's actions might not be so much about punishing Tandy as they are about doing what's best for the team and the success of our club. We also have sponsors and fans to think of and guilty or not, just the allegation is tarnishing our image.
that's very understandable

and how often would training be a media circus, further disrupting preparation for the upcoming season?

it's a tough situation for everyone :(
 

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What about team harmony though? It's not like a rape allegation where the allegation itself affects the way his team mates trust him. It's directly involved with the team and the game. I know I wouldn't want to be playing with a guy with that hanging over his head. I know he needs his day in court but you can still be distrusting of someone when nothing has been proven and it wouldn't be crazy if the rest of the boys didn't trust him after this. His alleged actions have dragged them all through police interviews too, not to mention the media attention they'll get from it. The club's actions might not be so much about punishing Tandy as they are about doing what's best for the team and the success of our club. We also have sponsors and fans to think of and guilty or not, just the allegation is tarnishing our image.
I don't agree at all. This is football and in the end players have to play for each other and the club has to act as a club. In the corporate world it's different and one of the reasons we wanted rid of Malcolm Noad was that he didn't know how a club was different from corporate. Tandy has not been charged with anything like throwing the game. There are no charges that anyone threw the game or in any way acted illegally other that the charge which is an allegation after all, that Tandy lied to the Commission. Whoop De Doo! Maybe he refused to dob a mate? I don't know and neither does the club at this stage. If the club does know something else and is acting on that information then they are lying to us in their statement today.
 

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There are no charges that anyone threw the game or in any way acted illegally other that the charge which is an allegation after all, that Tandy lied to the Commission. Whoop De Doo! Maybe he refused to dob a mate? I don't know and neither does the club at this stage.
1. Whoop-De-Doo ??? A 5 year gaol sentence for lying to the NSW Crime Commission is Whoop-de-doo ???

2. Correct on everything else ....
If the club does know something else and is acting on that information then they are lying to us in their statement today.
Some background ...

1. I believe, several meetings and phone calls with Mr Tandy have occured since the initial incident with Mr Greenberg. Reassurances of innocence have occured on all occasions.

2. Mr Greenberg was in cyclone ravaged Cairns when Mr Tandy's arrest was made. His mobile was confiscated (he could ring TG or vice versa). NSW Police has NO obligation to forewarn Bulldogs or the NRL. I believe it is extremely unlikely we had any inside knowledge.

Finally - Do you believe in the adage "where's there's smoke, there's FIRE !" ???
 

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I was watching fairfex video and what he says I agree abit.. Honestly Tandy wasnt charged and won't be till the outcome on march 2.. What fairfex says about him being dropped from matches I agree but dropping him from training is just stupid i think.. He is a forward and needs all the training before the start of the season... Let's say he isn't guilty then he won't be that healthy for the start of the season.. He needs to train and keep his fitness going...
 
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I don't agree at all. This is football and in the end players have to play for each other and the club has to act as a club. In the corporate world it's different and one of the reasons we wanted rid of Malcolm Noad was that he didn't know how a club was different from corporate. Tandy has not been charged with anything like throwing the game. There are no charges that anyone threw the game or in any way acted illegally other that the charge which is an allegation after all, that Tandy lied to the Commission. Whoop De Doo! Maybe he refused to dob a mate? I don't know and neither does the club at this stage. If the club does know something else and is acting on that information then they are lying to us in their statement today.
Not "Woop De Doo" mate, its a serious offence to lie to a commission, one that is punishable by jail time.
 
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