REFEREE INFLUNCE "BETTING SECTOR"

[AlzzBulldog]

Has anyone considered the left field angle that possibly our team are currently less skilful, less intelligent and more unfit than our opposition which leads to these outcomes, including the penalty count

Have you ever considered fucking off to another forum and staying there?

 

[Heckler]

The house always wins.

 

[Rodzilla]

You do realise the total wagered on NRL is far far below alot of sports?

The only good point that’s been made is that NRL does have an easier way than most sports for an official to affect the outcome. The 6 again rules and the way that many decisions are open to interpretation does leave the door ajar.

However, even if a bookmaker could systemically and continuously rig matches they would be risking their entire company. Some of these are worth hundreds of millions and are multi national, the fallout from any such cheating would be too great to risk.

HSBC laundered a billion dollars for drug cartels and even built a drive through money hole for all the bags of money at their mexican branches, no real punishment given to them and had small fallout

companies are protected species

 

[BondiBulldog]

People keep mentioning Ryan Tandy. Nothing to do with betting agencies. Just an absolute scum bag and a shame he wore the blue and white. Not saying it’s not impossible for players to throw games. Just impossible that bookmakers are rigging games. That’s straight up nonsense. I’d seriously wonder about the mental health of someone who can find logic in that argument. I don’t say that lightly but it’s so far fetched it’s not even funny.

 

[Rodzilla]

People keep mentioning Ryan Tandy. Nothing to do with betting agencies. Just an absolute scum bag and a shame he wore the blue and white. Not saying it’s not impossible for players to throw games. Just impossible that bookmakers are rigging games. That’s straight up nonsense. I’d seriously wonder about the mental health of someone who can find logic in that argument. I don’t say that lightly but it’s so far fetched it’s not even funny.

the logic is the bookmakers would make much more money on NRL betting if they had a referee in their pocket, they can avoid losing money on multi bets if they had a referee save them in specific situations and then referees would make much more money if they were rigging games

so both parties would be interested in this activity, don't worry about your dumb irrelevant argument that you think the multiple bookmakers would cancel each other out, what has that got to do with anything lol

but thats not all ive got tonight, poker machine venues would make more money if they rigged the machines to pay out less money than they take in rather than letting the spin naturally decide if people should win money, so i think they have rigged the poker machines as well and they are only acting like its real

 

[DinkumDog]

However, even if a bookmaker could systemically and continuously rig matches they would be risking their entire company. Some of these are worth hundreds of millions and are multi national, the fallout from any such cheating would be too great to risk.

Yes, supported by the regulatory framework they have to operate in. Any damage to any funny business would go way beyond reputational and financial - it would likely be criminal. Another amusing conspiracy.

 

[DinkumDog]

Have you ever considered fucking off to another forum and staying there?

Have you ever considered taking your own advice?

 

[gbrussell]

I think it's time for Trent and the other coaches to have a private meeting with Annesley and Maxwell and target games like Newcastle and Parramatta where big home crowds seem to put pressure on referees and as a result we end up on the receiving end of s 9-2 or 12-3 penalty count.

Some decisions in yesterday's game were ridiculous and it will keep happening unless we stand up and be counted.

Bullfrog was an advocate of befriending the referees but that doesn't work in this era.

How often do you see teams coached by high profile coaches like Bellamy and Bennett on the wrong end of of decisions particularly controversial ones late in a game that cost their team the game. Rarely. Ref's know those 2 will beat down the NRL'S door if it happens.

Penalties and set restarts change games till it gets to a point where the team on the receiving end runs out of petrol and can't come back.

It is easy for fans to say screw the ref and we need to play better but the reality is calls change games. Always have and always will.

Someone said earlier that some ref's are frightened of certain teams. I agree and will also add certain coaches.

We are at a point where we need to stand up and be counted and show those with the power that we are not going to put up with this rubbish any longer.

The way a lot of fans feel at the moment with a maximum of 4 teams potential contenders to win the comp shows there is something radically wrong with the game. Whether it is the salary cap + tpas not doing its job. The rules favouring those teams or dodgy calls there is something radically wrong with the game.

Whilever our club admin just sit on their heels and cops it on the chin nothing will change.

Barrett Warburton and others need to stand up and show what they are made of.

NOW.

 

[Grunthos]

Though I have little time for conspiracy theories at the best of times, (just accept it, the team is the dumbest in the game at present hence our pathetic performances, no conspiracy needed) there are no two ways about it, Australian rugby league is going the way of the "beautiful game" and just like FIFA, becoming corrupt to its very core...
All connections, no matter how profitable, to commercial gambling must be severed!
I will go on the record now and say that within the next couple of years there will be an investigation into the NRL and its dealings with the gambling industry.
Does anyone want to place some ods on that?

 

[N4TE]

*just remember gamble responsibly

 

[wendog33]

So will you be shocked if they actually got busted rigging shit?

They may not be rigging shit but FMD it sure looks like it.

I personally think it's rigged or a gross amount of incompetence.

Maybe there's no rigging of win results by the "honest" betting companies, but there's hundreds of multies, side bets, bets on number of tries, etc etc prob what colour grundies Nathan is wearing tonight and this betting on all kinds of variables facilitates manipulation by refs in handing out 6agains, penalties, not policing 10m rule etc etc.

Where's probably a bet on who wins the most 6agains.

The ability of refs to manipulate rugby league games now is unprecedented.

 

[wendog33]

I'd put that more down to the refs own biases rather than betting agency instructions.

For example gerrard sutton is guaranteed to have broncos winning the penalty count at suncorp (when the broncos are good) except for when south Sydney play there. Go through the history books and you'll see it's only souths who win a penalty count up there when sutton is reffing. How is that related to gambling?

Somehow there is an incentive put to Sutton to give Souths penalties in Brisbane?

 

[wendog33]

I think it's time for Trent and the other coaches to have a private meeting with Annesley and Maxwell and target games like Newcastle and Parramatta where big home crowds seem to put pressure on referees and as a result we end up on the receiving end of s 9-2 or 12-3 penalty count.

Some decisions in yesterday's game were ridiculous and it will keep happening unless we stand up and be counted.

Bullfrog was an advocate of befriending the referees but that doesn't work in this era.

How often do you see teams coached by high profile coaches like Bellamy and Bennett on the wrong end of of decisions particularly controversial ones late in a game that cost their team the game. Rarely. Ref's know those 2 will beat down the NRL'S door if it happens.

Penalties and set restarts change games till it gets to a point where the team on the receiving end runs out of petrol and can't come back.

It is easy for fans to say screw the ref and we need to play better but the reality is calls change games. Always have and always will.

Someone said earlier that some ref's are frightened of certain teams. I agree and will also add certain coaches.

We are at a point where we need to stand up and be counted and show those with the power that we are not going to put up with this rubbish any longer.

The way a lot of fans feel at the moment with a maximum of 4 teams potential contenders to win the comp shows there is something radically wrong with the game. Whether it is the salary cap + tpas not doing its job. The rules favouring those teams or dodgy calls there is something radically wrong with the game.

Whilever our club admin just sit on their heels and cops it on the chin nothing will change.

Barrett Warburton and others need to stand up and show what they are made of.

NOW.

Mate you've told us about your reffing credentials and past experiences so I'd say you rightly should be considered more knowledgeable on modern day refereering than most on here.

What you've written about is a fairly strong call to arms for our club Admin to consider.

Without putting too much detail onto it or slander.... Do you feel there is the opportunity for betting irregularities to influence what happens on the field.

Or is it simply explained away by referees personal dislikes of teams or previous embarassing incidents for them associated with our team or fans eg (say Black Friday Graham/Cummins/water bottles). Or strong coaches/club owners frightening/latent manipulation of refs into favouring their teams.

Be interested in your analyses.

 

[wendog33]

HSBC laundered a billion dollars for drug cartels and even built a drive through money hole for all the bags of money at their mexican branches, no real punishment given to them and had small fallout

companies are protected species

Commonwealth Bank/Westpac etc etc etc

 

[James zac]

We talking match fixing here hard to prove though tell you one thing gambling has tarnished the reputation of the game it raises questions

 

[wendog33]

Not exactly true, it depends entirely on the match. Some matches they will lay their liability in play, other times they will put their nuts on the line. All depends on heaps of factors.

The idea that betting agencies and bookies are influencing results is ludicrous.

The far more likely possibility is for players or referees to manipulate outcomes to suit their own wagers.

So you are saying that none of the several betting agencies would do it, but it's far more likely the players or referees would manipulate outcomes to suit their own wages?

I guess the betting agencies are absolved from any wrong doing then and the public and officials and police should turn their attention to players and refs and clean this up if its happening.

 

[JackDog]

Nothing to do with betting. It’s preconceived thoughts.

Cechhin is not dumb. He realises Parra should win this game. If they don’t then his performance is questioned. Therefore human nature makes him look at the 2 teams differently.

It’s especially bad now with the 6 agains because they can’t stop the play to analyse the decision.

Also especially bad is the latest part of the head shot blitzkrieg (binning players for a high shot from several tackles prior) where the high shot is barely shown.

 

[Expedite]

When my 9 year old started asking how to bet, I stopped him watching.

 

[B-Train]

The weaker sides don't even get much of an advantage out of it anyway, such a stupid rule when it's used within your own half. Previously when you were getting hammered you could at least slow the game down, kick for touch and gain some field position off a penalty and potentially force a drop out. Instead the top sides just keep hammering you because an early tackle set restart is only worth an extra 10-15m and doesn't really impact them at all

It's a ridiculous rule. You get no benefit of an early tackle six again in your own half. You get much more of an advantage by kicking for touch and gaining 40 plus metres and then starting a new set of six.

 

[Berries]

I think its less to do with betting than NRL making sure certain markets are safe and growing, you only have to look at the last ten years with all these clubs magically breaking their 30 year title droughts and the bias officiating they received in those years e.g Souths 2014, Sharks 2016 , Broncos the year they lost Cowboys or teams like Parramatta who the NRL are trying their best to help them over the line with the calls + new stadium but they have 40 years of being failures to overcome.

Its quite clear its Penriths turn as they were in the doldrums for 15 years and the NRL realizes how important that area is to the future of the game