REFEREE INFLUNCE "BETTING SECTOR"

[N4TE]

I think its less to do with betting than NRL making sure certain markets are safe and growing, you only have to look at the last ten years with all these clubs magically breaking their 30 year title droughts and the bias officiating they received in those years e.g Souths 2014, Sharks 2016 , Broncos the year they lost Cowboys or teams like Parramatta who the NRL are trying their best to help them over the line with the calls + new stadium but they have 40 years of being failures to overcome.

Its quite clear its Penriths turn as they were in the doldrums for 15 years and the NRL realizes how important that area is to the future of the game

Well our market is dying so time for Sauron to turn its eye to us…

 

[TwinTurbo]

What's the "betting conspiracists" thoughts on this? Say I cashed in at half time as we were leading, I suspect a lot of punters who placed a game winning bet on us would have done that. In the second half the score blows out to be past the highest margin offered. Is that scenario good for the betting companies or bad?

Always a Bulldog

 

[The DoggFather]

Have you ever stopped and thought firstly how complex/near impossible it would be to rig the outcome of rugby league fixtures?

Do you realise betting agencies would make far more $$ if we were to actually win these games?

Just take a few minutes to have a good think about the sheer ludicrousness of your claims.

You have No idea. It's not just rigged for us you blind fuck. If you're dumb enough not to smell a rat in all officiating (either corruption or incompetence) you're a lost cause.

FIFA got busted rigging but the mighty nrlol is incorruptible?

Just stick to the funny emoji you dumb fuck.

 

[Horse]

You have No idea. It's not just rigged for us you blind fuck. If you're dumb enough not to smell a rat in all officiating (either corruption or incompetence) you're a lost cause.

FIFA got busted rigging but the mighty nrlol is incorruptible?

Just stick to the funny emoji you dumb fuck.

Yeah yeah you just keep on blaming the refs, the betting companies, NRL corruption and whatever else then spinning into your vulgar tirades about it. Victim mentality as usual.

We’re a mediocre footy team in every aspect of the game and that’s what these results boil down to. Time for you to face reality and stop pointing the finger everywhere else. Once the squad improves and we start winning more games all your corruption and conspiracy talk will be nowhere to be seen.

 

[Rodzilla]

When my 9 year old started asking how to bet, I stopped him watching.

Tell him how to bet $100 on the bulldogs next game

What's the "betting conspiracists" thoughts on this? Say I cashed in at half time as we were leading, I suspect a lot of punters who placed a game winning bet on us would have done that. In the second half the score blows out to be past the highest margin offered. Is that scenario good for the betting companies or bad?

Always a Bulldog

The cash out option is very poor, like when I had $470 for the dragons win I was worried about our usual collapse, the offer was shit about $220 when we had the 14-6 lead

 

[CroydonDog]

The betting agencies would have loved a Bulldogs upset they would have cleaned up. So many people on here have no idea how bookmakers make money! They love under dogs getting up at big odds.

isn't that why, when a long shot wins a horse or dog race, they're known as the "bookie's favourite"?

 

[TwinTurbo]

The cash out option is very poor, like when I had $470 for the dragons win I was worried about our usual collapse, the offer was shit about $220 when we had the 14-6 lead

At 10-6 the Parramatta fans were going berserk, every second tackle was a "send 'im off", every Parramatta play the ball "get 'em on side", every other tackle was "get orf him" and "setrestart" is the new word the scum have learnt this month. There was now way I wouldn't have cashed out at half time.

Always a Bulldog

 

[gbrussell]

Mate you've told us about your reffing credentials and past experiences so I'd say you rightly should be considered more knowledgeable on modern day refereering than most on here.

What you've written about is a fairly strong call to arms for our club Admin to consider.

Without putting too much detail onto it or slander.... Do you feel there is the opportunity for betting irregularities to influence what happens on the field.

Or is it simply explained away by referees personal dislikes of teams or previous embarassing incidents for them associated with our team or fans eg (say Black Friday Graham/Cummins/water bottles). Or strong coaches/club owners frightening/latent manipulation of refs into favouring their teams.

Be interested in your analyses.

Thanks for the positive comments wendog.

There is no doubt refereeing is a tough gig, but I will also tell you that umpiring Indoor Cricket is nearly as hard.

My refereeing mentor when I started at 16 was my science teacher and former 1st Grade touch judge Ian McCall. If you have ever seen the famous fight between Manly and Newtown in 1981 he was the one trying to break up the stoush between Broadhurst and Bowden.

He drummed into me 4 basics;
Good 5 yards (now 10 metres).
Markers square.
Pick up forward passes. Not easy when players get between the referee and the ball and block your line of vision.
Release the tackled player.

For a long while I have been an advocate of 2 referees at the Elite level as trying to keep outside backs onside and markers square at the same time is extremely difficult.

Leave everything else in back play to the touch judges. Quite frankly some of them I had in S G BALL and Jersey Flegg were of no help at all.

I found out in my 1st year aged 16 what pressure is all about. Between my first and second year I had a review with the head of referees in the junior league and I requested not to be allocated games involving the club I was still playing for. They thought I would do them favours and their opponents were sure I was. Neither of which is true. My request was granted.

The worst type of referee is one who responds to pressure from either the home crowd or home players. In 99% of cases the ref knows more about the rules than boofheads in the crowd.

Unfortunately yesterday we had cecchin being influenced by the home crowd. Normally he is better than that. Cummins in particular has a problem in that area as the penalty counts in 2 games involving Newcastle at home this season against us and Manly would prove.

I think in every NRL game there are 5 or so 50-50 calls that if they all go one teams way that team will win. Decisions can often change possession, which leads to field position and points.

We haven't been getting those calls for a while.

Are ref's betting on games. Don't know but I would hope not. I never did but I was once approached over the phone by someone, I knew who it was to take a $100 bribe to engineer the result of a semi final. I told him where to go and reported it to the head of ref's. He swapped me to another semi final instead. God only knows how he found out I was doing that game.

There are LOTS of stories I can tell you about things that happened. Plenty of times I got booed off the park and once all 3 of us had to remain in a locked dressing room at Pratten Park until the police dispersed the crowd and we were escorted home. 13 players were sent off that day. The teams hated each other. They were only allowed from that day forth to have 2 of their players in the same team.

To answer your question about disliking teams. Yes it is distinctly possible that past incidents can dominate your thinking. I certainly think that's why our deplorable record under the Sutton Brothers escalated to the level it did. Now that the sequence under Gerard has been broken let's hope it doesn't return.

My final thought is that a good referee will rule on what happens in front of him with help from his support staff. If he gets influenced by outside noise he is not up to standard. My view is the best referee is Grant Atkins, son of the former Parramatta winger. The best up and comer is Adam Gee who has impressed me a few times. Let's see if they get game in the final series.

Good to hear from you wendog.

 

[gbrussell]

At 10-6 the Parramatta fans were going berserk, every second tackle was a "send 'im off", every Parramatta play the ball "get 'em on side", every other tackle was "get orf him" and "setrestart" is the new word the scum have learnt this month. There was now way I wouldn't have cashed out at half time.

Always a Bulldog

A lot of fans only know get em onside.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Thanks for the positive comments wendog.

There is no doubt refereeing is a tough gig, but I will also tell you that umpiring Indoor Cricket is nearly as hard.

My refereeing mentor when I started at 16 was my science teacher and former 1st Grade touch judge Ian McCall. If you have ever seen the famous fight between Manly and Newtown in 1981 he was the one trying to break up the stoush between Broadhurst and Bowden.

He drummed into me 4 basics;
Good 5 yards (now 10 metres).
Markers square.
Pick up forward passes. Not easy when players get between the referee and the ball and block your line of vision.
Release the tackled player.

For a long while I have been an advocate of 2 referees at the Elite level as trying to keep outside backs onside and markers square at the same time is extremely difficult.

Leave everything else in back play to the touch judges. Quite frankly some of them I had in S G BALL and Jersey Flegg were of no help at all.

I found out in my 1st year aged 16 what pressure is all about. Between my first and second year I had a review with the head of referees in the junior league and I requested not to be allocated games involving the club I was still playing for. They thought I would do them favours and their opponents were sure I was. Neither of which is true. My request was granted.

The worst type of referee is one who responds to pressure from either the home crowd or home players. In 99% of cases the ref knows more about the rules than boofheads in the crowd.

Unfortunately yesterday we had cecchin being influenced by the home crowd. Normally he is better than that. Cummins in particular has a problem in that area as the penalty counts in 2 games involving Newcastle at home this season against us and Manly would prove.

I think in every NRL game there are 5 or so 50-50 calls that if they all go one teams way that team will win. Decisions can often change possession, which leads to field position and points.

We haven't been getting those calls for a while.

Are ref's betting on games. Don't know but I would hope not. I never did but I was once approached over the phone by someone, I knew who it was to take a $100 bribe to engineer the result of a semi final. I told him where to go and reported it to the head of ref's. He swapped me to another semi final instead. God only knows how he found out I was doing that game.

There are LOTS of stories I can tell you about things that happened. Plenty of times I got booed off the park and once all 3 of us had to remain in a locked dressing room at Pratten Park until the police dispersed the crowd and we were escorted home. 13 players were sent off that day. The teams hated each other. They were only allowed from that day forth to have 2 of their players in the same team.

To answer your question about disliking teams. Yes it is distinctly possible that past incidents can dominate your thinking. I certainly think that's why our deplorable record under the Sutton Brothers escalated to the level it did. Now that the sequence under Gerard has been broken let's hope it doesn't return.

My final thought is that a good referee will rule on what happens in front of him with help from his support staff. If he gets influenced by outside noise he is not up to standard. My view is the best rerefere is Grant Atkins, son of the former Parramatta winger. The best up and comer is Adam Gee who has impressed me a few times. Let's see if they get gamein the final series.

Good to hear from you wendog.

Great post mate just wanted to add one tid bit to it

The sutton brothers are fucking cheats and scum.

 

[OldDogFan]

Yes, supported by the regulatory framework they have to operate in. Any damage to any funny business would go way beyond reputational and financial - it would likely be criminal. Another amusing conspiracy.

And that regulatory framework is overseen by the government.. who by the way collect copious amounts of tax from gambling. Just like cigarette taxes it's easy to see why our politicians don't interfere.

 

[Novdoggie]

Gamblers will always complain when they lose and will blame anyone and anything they think caused it. When they win they are jumping up and down.

Punting will always add anxiety, frustration and a lot of the time disappointment where individuals blame everyone but themselves.

It is not the betting agencies that influence games but I will say when humans are involved the outcomes of matches can be decided by SOME corrupt officials in ALL sports, sometimes even by the professionals themselves playing that sport.

At the end of the day it is one's choice to bet your hard earned money and the odds are always going to be against you when you lose more than you win. When you follow the game purely as a fan and your team loses then it is just a game and ridiculous accusations regarding betting agencies because people have lost money don't seem to matter to those non punters.

 

[wendog33]

And that regulatory framework is overseen by the government.. who by the way collect copious amounts of tax from gambling. Just like cigarette taxes it's easy to see why our politicians don't interfere.

That regulatory framework was in place re: Crown Casino expose. Not exactly fullproof oversight of criminal behaviour.

 

[cuzza]

Yeah fuck Gambling.
Took Bulldogs 20.5+ loss (in front half time, got fucked over)
Took Gold Coast 8.5+ (got screwed there too)

 

[Rodzilla]

At 10-6 the Parramatta fans were going berserk, every second tackle was a "send 'im off", every Parramatta play the ball "get 'em on side", every other tackle was "get orf him" and "setrestart" is the new word the scum have learnt this month. There was now way I wouldn't have cashed out at half time.

Always a Bulldog

You probably would have made 8% profit

 

[TwinTurbo]

You probably would have made 8% profit

Better than a 100% loss.

Always a Bulldog

 

[gbrussell]

Great post mate just wanted to add one tid bit to it

The sutton brothers are fucking cheats and scum.

Hard to disagree with you.

 

[The DoggFather]

Yeah yeah you just keep on blaming the refs, the betting companies, NRL corruption and whatever else then spinning into your vulgar tirades about it. Victim mentality as usual.

We’re a mediocre footy team in every aspect of the game and that’s what these results boil down to. Time for you to face reality and stop pointing the finger everywhere else. Once the squad improves and we start winning more games all your corruption and conspiracy talk will be nowhere to be seen.

Thank you for proving you're a dumb fuck. Where did I say we are the only ones getting rorted? I'm No victim, the forum are victims of your constant loads of horse jizz. Again no fucking idea and trying to sound like you know what you're talking about.

PS I noticed you cried to the mods and got them to delete the truth.... pathetic ****.

 

[Dogs4eva13]

The refereeing also seems to be way worse in the non prime time games. Not sure if it's because they put on the worse more junior staff or if they think less people will notice.
The refereeing in the 2pm Sat games had been one sided and shit all year.

 

[CroydonDog]

A lot of fans only know get em onside.

That's because they've been doing it all day...