PNG as the expansion team

On 100% Footy Peter V'landys said that the plan is to get to 20 teams with every team playing each other once for a total of 19 rounds. Origin would be on stand alone weekends with Women's Origin & Under 19's Origin.
 
Wtf is that much tax money being wasted on footy especially for a country with no facilities or the ability to host a game safely on their land...

Why isn't the next franchise license being sold to another NZ team? Fuck the NRLshit and our government are stupid...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-21/govt-to-secure-deal-for-papua-new-guinea-nrl-team/103871426

NRL and federal government closing in on $600m deal to launch Papua New Guinea rugby league team

The federal government and the NRL are closing in on a deal worth up to $600 million to secure a new NRL side based in Papua New Guinea.

NRL chairman Peter V'landys met with Minister for the Pacific Pat Conroy on the sidelines of the NRL's Magic Round in Brisbane late last week to discuss the deal.

Mr Conroy said the government and NRL were "aligned on a way forward" for the expansion club.

The government has been very public in its strong support for a PNG NRL side, despite the substantial complexities involved in launching and maintaining a side in Port Moresby.

It is understood a potential deal to launch the club could be worth $600 million in federal funding over 10 years.

That funding would go beyond just the NRL club, but into community outreach programs supported by the new club too.

Rugby league is considered to be a crucial cultural tie between Australia and Papua New Guinea, and "sports diplomacy" has taken on new importance as China seeks to draw closer to PNG and other Pacific countries.

The game is considered to be the national sport of Papua New Guinea, and the country's Prime Minister James Marape has described the bid for an NRL side as a matter of "justice".

Mr Marape has indicated he wants a decision made before 2025, which marks 50 years of Papua New Guinea's independence from Australia.

Defence Minister Richard Marles said they would like a side in the competition by 2027, but there were still hurdles to overcome.

"It's been a long-held ambition to have a PNG team in the NRL, and we as a government are really committed to that," he said.

"The time frame that we are looking towards is in and around 2027 — it might not specifically be that year, but that gives a sense of the sort of time frame that we're working on.

"But ultimately, this does need to work for the NRL, first of all, it needs to work for the PNG government, and it needs to work for the Australian government."

High ambition and hard logistics
The size of the funding package the NRL is seeking to help launch the side speaks to the challenges that would come with taking on such a task.

There is already a PNG side playing in the second-tier Queensland Cup, the PNG Hunters, who are sitting sixth on the ladder in this year's competition.

They play out of the Santos National Football Stadium in Port Moresby, hosting regular home games at the 15,000-seat venue.

But their time in the competition has not been without occasional complications, including concerns about the safety of players travelling into Port Moresby earlier this year during civil unrest.

Two years ago a newly elected Anthony Albanese publicly intervened to urge the Mackay Cutters to play a game in Papua New Guinea that they had considered abandoning.

But basing an NRL-quality side full-time in Port Moresby could create far greater challenges.

Attracting players and staff could prove difficult, and there have already been suggestions of tax breaks to make the offer more lucrative (though that would be a matter for Papua New Guinea's government, not the Australian government).

And ensuring their security in a city that has grappled with very high rates of violent crime would also be an ongoing challenge, particularly given the very high profile they would bring.

Despite those challenges, many in the government are confident a deal with the NRL could be landed within weeks.

https://www.internationalaffairs.or...hat-are-chinas-interests-in-papua-new-guinea/

What are China’s Interests in Papua New Guinea?

In the past decade, China has emerged as Australia’s biggest competitor for influence in both Papua New Guinea (PNG) and Fiji. The Chinese see both nations as the most important in the South Pacific to influence, perceiving them as the main thought-leaders for the South Pacific Forum and the Melanesian Spearhead Group (MSG).

On the ground, the two leading groups trying to influence PNG are staff at the Chinese Embassy and members of Chinese state-owned enterprises (SOEs) that operate in country. Beijing sees SOEs as an extension of the state apparatus under its “military-civil fusion,” and SOEs are required to support China’s official policy and goals. At present there are at least 40 Chinese SOEs operating in PNG. At this official level, most of what they do is based on what Beijing wants from PNG, and the wider Pacific. The newly appointed prime minister for Solomons Islands, Jeremiah Manele, and his predecessor, Manasseh Sogavare, are known to be pro-China, suggesting that Chinese influence is on the way up.

What does China seek from PNG and the wider Pacific? I would argue that Beijing is aiming for the following (in no particular order):

First, it seeks to drive PNG away politically from its traditional ally, Australia. China sees Australia as a direct competitor and a hindrance to its moves to gain influence in PNG. This is especially true in recent years, with Beijing accusing Australia of “anti-China” hysteria and of promoting “anti-China” sentiments worldwide. Beijing is especially unhappy with Australia constantly telling the PNG political class that Beijing cannot be trusted, and Australia’s increased aid to PNG is seen as a countermeasure to stop PNG from getting close to China. China is also unhappy that Australia claims PNG as “our patch.” Meanwhile, they see the US and New Zealand as supporting Australia’s endeavours in PNG.

Second, Beijing also looks to bring PNG under its orbit, especially in the economic arena. PNG has vast untapped mineral resources, many of which are required by China in the long term. In recent years, Chinese firms have played a major role in the non-oil/gas sectors.

Third, China sees PNG as a diplomatic prize, given that it is the largest and most influential Melanesian country, and can indirectly influence the rest of the South Pacific. In fact, China sees the entire South Pacific as a low-risk, high-yield opportunity in terms of diplomatic votes in the international arena. It costs very little for China to “buy” support via aid program and trade since all Pacific countries are small economies by Beijing’s standards.

Fourth, Chinese leaders seek to block Taiwan’s interests in PNG. This has been a long-term goal. In the 1990s, Port Moresby contemplated changing its diplomatic recognition from Beijing to Taipei in return for economic aid and via direct bribes to senior PNG politicians. In 1999, a serious attempt was made by then prime minister Bill Skate to switch to Taipei diplomatically. It was reversed quickly by Sir Mekere Morauta, Skate’s successor. In 2008, Taiwan spent close to US$30 million trying to lure PNG into recognising Taipei. When this was exposed, Taiwan’s foreign minister, James Huang, Deputy Premier Chiou I-jen, and Vice Défense Minister Ko Cheng-heng were forced to resign. The money was never recovered. In both these attempts, Taiwanese businessmen and PNG fixers were involved and large amounts of money were paid in bribes.

Taiwan has maintained an active trade office in Port Moresby since the 1980s and, for many years, the Taiwan representative and the Chinese Embassy have been involved in childish diplomatic games. For example, on the “double ten” (October 10), both the Taiwanese and the Chinese Embassy will hold formal gatherings, forcing members of the PNG establishment and the diplomatic community to “choose” which reception to attend. China knows that PNG can, at any time, turn towards Taipei if a desperate situation arises, or if another leader like Bill Skate comes along and can be easily bought.


Fifth, China will want to make sure that the soon-to-be independent Bougainville is China-friendly. The strong push to ensure that Bougainville is on China’s side is also linked to the fear that if China does not take an active role, Taiwan may step in and gain diplomatic recognition.

Sixth, for security and military interests, China wants to replicate the US model of having a chain of military bases around the world and PNG offers plenty of opportunity due to its strategic location. PNG lies just north of Australia, and the strategic planners in Beijing see Australia as part of the Western bloc that is inherently hostile towards the rise of China. Over the long term, if China can secure PNG, then PNG can act as a natural buffer to any Australian/US military operations in the South Pacific. Australia (and the US) already have access to the Lombrum base on Manus Island and Australia maintains intelligence listening posts in PNG. China is keen to sign some sort of security pact that will reduce the intelligence and strategic capabilities of Australia and the US there.

In 2022, the Solomon lslands signed a security agreement with China, and in September 2023, China approached Port Moresby with an offer for a security deal to help PNG’s internal policing. This has not been formally signed after pressure by Australia, US, and NZ, but the implications of China’s ongoing influence in PNG and the prospect of obtaining further security agreements with PNG and Pacific island nations are significant.

And finally, China seeks the ongoing implementation of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). Although the original BRI did not include the South Pacific, this was quickly changed, and China is signing up nations from the South Pacific for Xi Jinping’s signature policy. Peter O’Neill signed on in Beijing in 2018, officially making PNG the second Pacific nation to join after East Timor. Thus far, ten South Pacific nations have joined onto the BRI, much to the discomfort of Australia. Canberra’s consistent narrative to small Pacific states is that the BRI can lead to a “debt trap.”

Will China succeed in PNG? My guess is that, over the long term, PNG will probably move politically closer to China but remain culturally with Australia. The reason is that many of these elites send their children to Australian schools, and those with disposable wealth almost always buy real estate in Queensland, and place their family members there. The trend in PNG is consistent with global trends where the rapid rise of China has totally changed the environment that is familiar to the West. Australia and the West can expect to be challenged not only on the world stage but also in many individual developing countries such as PNG.

It's not just Australia who are funding this.

https://www.thenational.com.pg/us-backs-png-nrl-bid/
 
So many flaws...what top line player in their 20s will wanna go live in a compound overseas while travelling stupid hours every second week lol
 
So many flaws...what top line player in their 20s will wanna go live in a compound overseas while travelling stupid hours every second week lol
Zero income tax, which effectively doubles your income. A 5 year contract earns 10 years income.

All living expenses paid, including housing, which adds another decent % to the disposable income.

A house cleaner, a cook, a driver, a maid, a butler, a shopper, a manicurist, a hairdresser and a minder for the children provided. An adjoining house for the relatives, free airfare when they come to visit. Which means the missus does no house work, no shopping, just plays tennis, drinks cocktails and hangs out with the other Australian expats. Trust me, partners will never want to come home.

A private jet to fly to games, with ice baths, sauna, massage tables, pretty much anything a players needs for recovery.

FWIW, the flying time from Sydney to Port Moresby is less than the flying time to Perth and not much more than the flying time to Auckland.


Team First
 
Zero income tax, which effectively doubles your income. A 5 year contract earns 10 years income.

All living expenses paid, including housing, which adds another decent % to the disposable income.

A house cleaner, a cook, a driver, a maid, a butler, a shopper, a manicurist, a hairdresser and a minder for the children provided. An adjoining house for the relatives, free airfare when they come to visit. Which means the missus does no house work, no shopping, just plays tennis, drinks cocktails and hangs out with the other Australian expats. Trust me, partners will never want to come home.

A private jet to fly to games, with ice baths, sauna, massage tables, pretty much anything a players needs for recovery.

FWIW, the flying time from Sydney to Port Moresby is less than the flying time to Perth and not much more than the flying time to Auckland.


Team First

Well the manicurist will be great for current Broncos players, if they hear about this perk they might sign up en masse.
 
Zero income tax, which effectively doubles your income. A 5 year contract earns 10 years income.

All living expenses paid, including housing, which adds another decent % to the disposable income.

A house cleaner, a cook, a driver, a maid, a butler, a shopper, a manicurist, a hairdresser and a minder for the children provided. An adjoining house for the relatives, free airfare when they come to visit. Which means the missus does no house work, no shopping, just plays tennis, drinks cocktails and hangs out with the other Australian expats. Trust me, partners will never want to come home.

A private jet to fly to games, with ice baths, sauna, massage tables, pretty much anything a players needs for recovery.

FWIW, the flying time from Sydney to Port Moresby is less than the flying time to Perth and not much more than the flying time to Auckland.


Team First
Add to that the players get serviced twice a week whether married, partnered or otherwise at no cost as well.
 
Zero income tax, which effectively doubles your income. A 5 year contract earns 10 years income.

All living expenses paid, including housing, which adds another decent % to the disposable income.

A house cleaner, a cook, a driver, a maid, a butler, a shopper, a manicurist, a hairdresser and a minder for the children provided. An adjoining house for the relatives, free airfare when they come to visit. Which means the missus does no house work, no shopping, just plays tennis, drinks cocktails and hangs out with the other Australian expats. Trust me, partners will never want to come home.

A private jet to fly to games, with ice baths, sauna, massage tables, pretty much anything a players needs for recovery.

FWIW, the flying time from Sydney to Port Moresby is less than the flying time to Perth and not much more than the flying time to Auckland.


Team First

Yeah, under these parameters I'd much prefer living in a New Guinea bubble than Perth or Darwin when the lurks & perks are all weighed up...
 
Can someone here explain to me the geo political purpose of this plan?

Is this a move to try and starve off China? Why would China give a shit if there is an NRL team in PNG?

I am genuinely at a loss and do not understand this.

Help lol
I think it’s crap tbh bringing in another team may as well play union there talking what 20 teams now so I have heard.
 
I was speaking to a lovely PNG lady not so long back.. she is Paupan, from Port Moresby. She married an Australian and said her birth country is ruined. The guineans moved down from the highlands and took over Port Moresby many years ago. With it they brought violence, crime, drug use (betel nut) and corruption. She said even as a local papuan you can't go out, only for essential reasons, as the chances of being robbed or raped are far too high. She said the lucky ones live in villages outside of Moresby. She said if you need the police you have to pay for the police officer to drive from the station to where you want/need them. Gangs operate on behalf of the corrupt government. She said every politician/s family live in Australia, not PNG. They go to private schools and universities and live in big houses while back home people can hardly afford to live. She said the worst thing that happens is other governments including Australia give PNG money. Nothing changes and it just drives corruption even more. It was an interesting chat. I mean it wasn't anything that wasn't already known but the surprising thing was this person saying money is not the answer and will make things worse.
 
I was speaking to a lovely PNG lady not so long back.. she is Paupan, from Port Moresby. She married an Australian and said her birth country is ruined. The guineans moved down from the highlands and took over Port Moresby many years ago. With it they brought violence, crime, drug use (betel nut) and corruption. She said even as a local papuan you can't go out, only for essential reasons, as the chances of being robbed or raped are far too high. She said the lucky ones live in villages outside of Moresby. She said if you need the police you have to pay for the police officer to drive from the station to where you want/need them. Gangs operate on behalf of the corrupt government. She said every politician/s family live in Australia, not PNG. They go to private schools and universities and live in big houses while back home people can hardly afford to live. She said the worst thing that happens is other governments including Australia give PNG money. Nothing changes and it just drives corruption even more. It was an interesting chat. I mean it wasn't anything that wasn't already known but the surprising thing was this person saying money is not the answer and will make things worse.
I knew someone who worked in Moresby. His family had to be locked inside a compound so they could sleep in safety. The "Raskols" are dangerous criminals who have no worries using machetes to kill with. If you accidentally hit someone with your car, do not stop or get out - leave the scene as fast as you can for the nearest police office. Life is cheap in PNG.

Nonetheless, the need to keep PNG away from Chinese influence, or setting up Chinese bases, is worth having a PNG team.
 
So naive Weidler, the Salary Cap is not even now, do you really think that the cost of living, for example, is the same in, say, Townsvillle, as it is in Sydney? For a start the median house price is less than 1/3rd, Auckland is around 1/2. There is a reason why the population shift from Sydney and Melbourne is to SE Qld and further north, simply because it costs less, a lot less, to live there.

That’s before we get into the advantages of one city clubs, TPA’s, brown paper bags and sombreros. It’s not a level playing field (sic) now, far from it.


Team First
 
Last edited:
I knew someone who worked in Moresby. His family had to be locked inside a compound so they could sleep in safety. The "Raskols" are dangerous criminals who have no worries using machetes to kill with. If you accidentally hit someone with your car, do not stop or get out - leave the scene as fast as you can for the nearest police office. Life is cheap in PNG.

Nonetheless, the need to keep PNG away from Chinese influence, or setting up Chinese bases, is worth having a PNG team.
“Locked inside” is a bit misleading, the PNG employees of the companies (2) that I used to work for lived in a gated community. It had tennis courts, a golf driving range, putting greens, swimming pools, sauna, spa, gym, bars, a movie theatre, etc. They weren‘t locked in, they could come and go as they pleased. There were however people locked outside if they had no reason for being inside.

There are gated communities around the world, in LA, Florida, London, Canada and France etc. It’s not exactly unique to PNG.


Team First
 
I knew someone who worked in Moresby. His family had to be locked inside a compound so they could sleep in safety. The "Raskols" are dangerous criminals who have no worries using machetes to kill with. If you accidentally hit someone with your car, do not stop or get out - leave the scene as fast as you can for the nearest police office. Life is cheap in PNG.

Nonetheless, the need to keep PNG away from Chinese influence, or setting up Chinese bases, is worth having a PNG team.

they’ll get what they want eventually they always do


Sent from my iPhone using The Kennel mobile app
 
Zero income tax, which effectively doubles your income. A 5 year contract earns 10 years income.

All living expenses paid, including housing, which adds another decent % to the disposable income.

A house cleaner, a cook, a driver, a maid, a butler, a shopper, a manicurist, a hairdresser and a minder for the children provided. An adjoining house for the relatives, free airfare when they come to visit. Which means the missus does no house work, no shopping, just plays tennis, drinks cocktails and hangs out with the other Australian expats. Trust me, partners will never want to come home.

A private jet to fly to games, with ice baths, sauna, massage tables, pretty much anything a players needs for recovery.

FWIW, the flying time from Sydney to Port Moresby is less than the flying time to Perth and not much more than the flying time to Auckland.


Team First

Bingo especially the tax, you are a top player lets say Coates as the marquee player and he's offered a million tax free or paying half that in tax for Melbourne, plus no way is he getting more than 550k for Melbourne anyway. Cold hard cash talks, could literally play there for 5 years, then retire as if you have played for a decade.
 
Back
Top