Opinion Flanno v Tigers analysis

[TwinTurbo]

Could have scored more if he wasn't there

Hypothetical, might have might not have, but 70 is a fact.

Always a Bulldog

 

[Cartel]

Could have scored more if he wasn't there

You're a gronk

Shut the fuck up with your hate and enjoy these two wins and support all the players that played in the games you gronk

 

[Howie B]

Bro, give it up. There were FOUR players outside Flanagan positioned perfectly fine for the play they had called and all Flanagan had to do was get the ball across to them but instead he took the entire backline out of play doing his own thing. Even earlier in the set we had the entire team setup to the left yet Flanagan ignored that and simply turned Vaughan under. I agree there's other things that could've happened in that final play but the reality of the situation was that Flanagan had one very simple option and he didn't take it.

As I've said before this all goes back to my original point on Flanagan and it's that he's absolutely awful at linking up with his halves and outside backs. Far too many times opportunities on the edges go begging because he simply refuses to throw the ball wide or isn't even on the same page as the players outside him. He seems to be doing a good job around the ruck with our forwards and pushing them where he wants them but he needs to break away from his conservative nature at times because we can't be having sets on the opponents red zone where not one of Burton, Averillo or a single back touch the ball because he refuses to play any wider than our backrowers.

The last 2 games in the reserves BBO has shown he is a class above. I was never a fan of his because I thought he ran sideways too much and didn’t link with the outside men.

But he has really straightened up his attack and looks a first grade halfback. He has a much better running game than Flanno and he kicks better.

I think he is our long term halfback but happy for him to spend a bit more time down in the 2’s while we are winning games.

 

[Real1]

Ok, so I've been guilty just like many of being negative towards the guy (Flanno), SO when I watched yesterday's game again today I decided I might pay extra attention to his game to see what I come up with. I've ummed and ahhed about him like you for ages now, I wanted to get some facts to help me decide about him instead of running on emotion.

Winners are grinners and most players look good in a winning game.

So this will be long, if your not interested in this sort of thing then feel free to move on.

So if your still with me I watched him and made these notes,

* So I decided to do this after the 11th min and couldn't be bothered rewinding,
12th min - Kick, grubber that forces a line drop out
13th min - Kicked cross field, landed 10m out from opposition tryline - causes a knock-on = our scrum
* positional play and linking very good, organising forwards during play
14th min - JMK scores from dummy half scoot in the set from scrum
* Tigers have the ball for a bit here and score from JAC's wing error
22nd min - 5th tackle, 10m from tigers tryline Flanno takes on the line, stopped 1m out. At this point the backline was a little too deep but he should have passed it as there was an opportunity and most likely a try coming.
24th min - after a tigers kick Flanno was first back to dummy half to pass the ball, showed effort to be there ready 1%er
28th min - Prop run impacting on the line, Flanno waiting and available for the offload if needed. 1%er
29th min - arranging forwards during play and organising
30th min - Dogs attack falters near tigers tryline and we lose 25m, Flanno is back and available for the 5th tackle kick. Bomb lands 1m from tryline, good placement. 1%er
31st min - Dogs 1st tackle 15m out and Flanno stands as pivot, passes to JAC giving width, JAC runs 40m down field, passes to Burto who grubbers into in goal getting us a dropout. Flanno supporting inside Burto.
34th min - Allan catches kick on full and runs 40m. Dogs don't reset for attack, JMK passes to Flanno, takes the tackle and gets hurt a little 1%er
41st min - 1st man back at dummy half after tigers 5th tackle kick 1%er
50th min - Averillo try, Flanno first man there celebrating, Burto does the Penriff jump on group thing.
53rd min - 5th tackle kick, Flanno bomb lands 4m from tryline, good height and forces the tigers FB to jump under pressure from a screaming through Averillo.
53rd min - in defence Flanno adjusts well, makes tackle. Commentators say it's his 19th tackle so far.
54th min - Flanno does a 2 man cut out pass to Allan, Allan back inside for Kiraz to score
* Huge team celebration, JAC and Allan make intentional congrats to Flanno for the lead up pass Dogs 24 - 6.
66th min - Burto has ball on 5th tackle, switch play back to Flanno on other side of ruck. Flanno inside ball to a screaming through Averillo, AVO runs 10 to 15m before a chip/grubber that almost comes off for the dogs.
67th min - Schoupp intercept try, Flanno in support 1%er
70th min - Dogs get a penalty, Flanno can be seen in there organising the next play
71st min - Running switch play that started on the left and went back to the right and passes to a runner. Changing angles, not just 1 out stuff.
75th min - Flanno involved with a half break with Docker-Clay and Max King from dummy half.
77th min - Tigers make a break with Little. Flanno made it back to cover on the inside at FB and help stop the play. Vaughan then gets 10 mins in the bin. 1%er
79th min - Tamou consolation try - GAME OVER - YEAH DOGGIES 36 - 12.

I gave Flanno's game a 7/10 after watching it again. He played well.

Ok, so in conclusion to me his defence is solid and I don't think anyone can call out that part of his game.

His fitness is really high, he's always there as support runner, helping out guy's when being tackled and doing the 1%er's that you don't see unless watching for it.

So here's the question, he obviously not a massive point scoring/setting up half back but for me all we needed is/was someone to assist Burton and unlock Burto's potential. He does this quite well and one would think will get better. Flanno is on what> 450k by all reports, pretty much min wage for a halfback these days.

If I had my wish we would sign Jahrome Hughes, he's a great HB. Here's the quandary, do you go with the dominant 5/8, have a solid HB that does his job instead of breaking the bank and use that money in other areas?

We have Kikau and Mahoney next year, Burto, JAC, Averillo smashing it at FB, TPJ, RFM all adding to attack. That's not including the young blokes showing good things and Alamoti in the future, Is it an advantage having a solid HB and freeing up space for other area's of the salary cap?

Thank you for getting to this part if you made it. Hope this made sense.

Thoughts?

To summarise… firstly I don’t like the quote 450k for a halfback is minimum wage these days… your spine should be your most invested area - all the successful teams have this… secondly he played average against a mediocre team… disjointed spines don’t win you comps, top spines do.
Storm are in the middle of forwards reshuffle, why cause they know their forwards are not what win you comps so they have locked in their spine and in the next three to four years time these young forwards that fit into their system
Will be their new Solomonas, bromwiches, finucanes.

 

[Real1]

The last 2 games in the reserves BBO has shown he is a class above. I was never a fan of his because I thought he ran sideways too much and didn’t link with the outside men.

But he has really straightened up his attack and looks a first grade halfback. He has a much better running game than Flanno and he kicks better.

I think he is our long term halfback but happy for him to spend a bit more time down in the 2’s while we are winning games.

Bbo is not the answer at halfback, good for lower grades but not good enough for top grade, he just stands out cause our number 7 for years have been hopeless and along came bbo with a bit of speed

 

[D0GMATIC]

He may not be flashy like Cleary, but he supports Burton and is better than Luai.

I agree way better all round player than Luai

 

[CaptainJackson]

You're a gronk

Shut the fuck up with your hate and enjoy these two wins and support all the players that played in the games you gronk

SuPoRtZzzzzz Da PlAyaZ GR0NkZzz

 

[Pappydog]

Ok, so I've been guilty just like many of being negative towards the guy (Flanno), SO when I watched yesterday's game again today I decided I might pay extra attention to his game to see what I come up with. I've ummed and ahhed about him like you for ages now, I wanted to get some facts to help me decide about him instead of running on emotion.

Winners are grinners and most players look good in a winning game.

So this will be long, if your not interested in this sort of thing then feel free to move on.

So if your still with me I watched him and made these notes,

* So I decided to do this after the 11th min and couldn't be bothered rewinding,
12th min - Kick, grubber that forces a line drop out
13th min - Kicked cross field, landed 10m out from opposition tryline - causes a knock-on = our scrum
* positional play and linking very good, organising forwards during play
14th min - JMK scores from dummy half scoot in the set from scrum
* Tigers have the ball for a bit here and score from JAC's wing error
22nd min - 5th tackle, 10m from tigers tryline Flanno takes on the line, stopped 1m out. At this point the backline was a little too deep but he should have passed it as there was an opportunity and most likely a try coming.
24th min - after a tigers kick Flanno was first back to dummy half to pass the ball, showed effort to be there ready 1%er
28th min - Prop run impacting on the line, Flanno waiting and available for the offload if needed. 1%er
29th min - arranging forwards during play and organising
30th min - Dogs attack falters near tigers tryline and we lose 25m, Flanno is back and available for the 5th tackle kick. Bomb lands 1m from tryline, good placement. 1%er
31st min - Dogs 1st tackle 15m out and Flanno stands as pivot, passes to JAC giving width, JAC runs 40m down field, passes to Burto who grubbers into in goal getting us a dropout. Flanno supporting inside Burto.
34th min - Allan catches kick on full and runs 40m. Dogs don't reset for attack, JMK passes to Flanno, takes the tackle and gets hurt a little 1%er
41st min - 1st man back at dummy half after tigers 5th tackle kick 1%er
50th min - Averillo try, Flanno first man there celebrating, Burto does the Penriff jump on group thing.
53rd min - 5th tackle kick, Flanno bomb lands 4m from tryline, good height and forces the tigers FB to jump under pressure from a screaming through Averillo.
53rd min - in defence Flanno adjusts well, makes tackle. Commentators say it's his 19th tackle so far.
54th min - Flanno does a 2 man cut out pass to Allan, Allan back inside for Kiraz to score
* Huge team celebration, JAC and Allan make intentional congrats to Flanno for the lead up pass Dogs 24 - 6.
66th min - Burto has ball on 5th tackle, switch play back to Flanno on other side of ruck. Flanno inside ball to a screaming through Averillo, AVO runs 10 to 15m before a chip/grubber that almost comes off for the dogs.
67th min - Schoupp intercept try, Flanno in support 1%er
70th min - Dogs get a penalty, Flanno can be seen in there organising the next play
71st min - Running switch play that started on the left and went back to the right and passes to a runner. Changing angles, not just 1 out stuff.
75th min - Flanno involved with a half break with Docker-Clay and Max King from dummy half.
77th min - Tigers make a break with Little. Flanno made it back to cover on the inside at FB and help stop the play. Vaughan then gets 10 mins in the bin. 1%er
79th min - Tamou consolation try - GAME OVER - YEAH DOGGIES 36 - 12.

I gave Flanno's game a 7/10 after watching it again. He played well.

Ok, so in conclusion to me his defence is solid and I don't think anyone can call out that part of his game.

His fitness is really high, he's always there as support runner, helping out guy's when being tackled and doing the 1%er's that you don't see unless watching for it.

So here's the question, he obviously not a massive point scoring/setting up half back but for me all we needed is/was someone to assist Burton and unlock Burto's potential. He does this quite well and one would think will get better. Flanno is on what> 450k by all reports, pretty much min wage for a halfback these days.

If I had my wish we would sign Jahrome Hughes, he's a great HB. Here's the quandary, do you go with the dominant 5/8, have a solid HB that does his job instead of breaking the bank and use that money in other areas?

We have Kikau and Mahoney next year, Burto, JAC, Averillo smashing it at FB, TPJ, RFM all adding to attack. That's not including the young blokes showing good things and Alamoti in the future, Is it an advantage having a solid HB and freeing up space for other area's of the salary cap?

Thank you for getting to this part if you made it. Hope this made sense.

Thoughts?

You should get a job on Fox. It’ll be a massive improvement

 

[The DoggFather]

Let's see his stats against the Sharks...

 

[CrittaMagic69]

I disagree with you. I am not giving anything up champ. Are you the only bloke that can be right about anything doggies related here? People have opinions, that are not the same as yours, live with it.

You can't tell me that everyone outside of Averillo was not standing too flat? You know footy enough to acknowledge that. And as a footy player, a fullback of all position, you see it open up the way it did in front of Averillo you attack the hole and he would have slid through like a hot dog down a hallway. Instead he chose to stay put on the 10m line and throw his arms in the air when he didn't get the ball. Averillo still has a lot to learn. As does Kyle. You need to acknowledge that Matthew.

Flanno throws it wide. He actually put on a try with a wide pass against Tigers I think.

They were positioned perfectly fine for the play they had called, there was no issue until Flanagan took the wrong option and took everyone out of the play. We could stand that flat for two reasons, one being we had space in front of us and two being us having an obvious overlap. All Flanagan had to do was quickly get the ball to Jake and that would allow Jake to accelerate into the space, put his outside men in a better position and then pick his option. He can slice through himself, put Waddell or Kiraz through or even play through the hands with the amount of space we had.

Yes the situation could've played out the way you said but when you can clearly see Jake communicating with Flanagan in the lead up and the rest of the team responding then Flanagan needs to deliver what is asked of him instead did doing his own thing and killing the play.

 

[Malla]

They were positioned perfectly fine for the play they had called, there was no issue until Flanagan took the wrong option and took everyone out of the play. We could stand that flat for two reasons, one being we had space in front of us and two being us having an obvious overlap. All Flanagan had to do was quickly get the ball to Jake and that would allow Jake to accelerate into the space, put his outside men in a better position and then pick his option. He can slice through himself, put Waddell or Kiraz through or even play through the hands with the amount of space we had.

Yes the situation could've played out the way you said but when you can clearly see Jake communicating with Flanagan in the lead up and the rest of the team responding then Flanagan needs to deliver what is asked of him instead did doing his own thing and killing the play.

I honestly think you are talking shit now. I just watched it again.

I took it off mute.

Freddy Fittler actually said that 'Jake Averillo missed his assignment. The space opened up beautifully for Flanagan, he just had to tip on if Averillo pushed up'

Good to know that at least Brad agrees with me.

31:04 for your reference.

Enjoy your afternoon Mathew, and please pull your head in during future interactions.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

I honestly think you are talking shit now. I just watched it again.

I took it off mute.

Freddy Fittler actually said that 'Jake Averillo missed his assignment. The space opened up beautifully for Flanagan, he just had to tip on if Averillo pushed up'

Good to know that at least Brad agrees with me.

31:04 for your reference.

Enjoy your afternoon Mathew, and please pull your head in during future interactions.

It's like talking to a brick wall with you.

 

[Bulldogsteve]

They were standing too deep and flat.

no they werent averillo was in perfect shape and the outside backs react to where the fullback is. You push through the hole, yes has could have still done that but he never got the ball.
I dont there is any option other than flannigan took the wrong option. Lets hope decisions like that from him cost us in upcoming games

 

[Malla]

It's like talking to a brick wall with you.

I can say the exact same with you

 

[Malla]

no they werent averillo was in perfect shape and the outside backs react to where the fullback is. You push through the hole, yes has could have still done that but he never got the ball.
I dont there is any option other than flannigan took the wrong option. Lets hope decisions like that from him cost us in upcoming games

You can take the wrong option even if you don't have the ball. In this case, Averillo took the wrong option.

 

[Bulldogsteve]

You can take the wrong option even if you don't have the ball. In this case, Averillo took the wrong option.

definately not, where he was positioned gave him several options, one to take on the hole or 2 to catch and pass imo

 

[Malla]

definately not, where he was positioned gave him several options, one to take on the hole or 2 to catch and pass imo

Disagree. First option should have been to push up and score.

BTW 'several' options is more than 2

 

[Bulldogsteve]

Disagree. First option should have been to push up and score.

BTW 'several' options is more than 2

ok 3 rd option he passes directly to the winger
if he was flatter he then risks the centre jamming in on him.
i can see your point, but i prefer them to be deeper so they cant get jammed in by the centre or winger. Just what i have found works better when coaching myself

 

[Malla]

ok 3 rd option he passes directly to the winger
if he was flatter he then risks the centre jamming in on him.
i can see your point, but i prefer them to be deeper so they cant get jammed in by the centre or winger. Just what i have found works better when coaching myself

Hhahaah just fkn with ya.

So we are kind of saying the same thing. I feel the players outside of Averillo should have been deeper, which is what I coach into my players as well, but the option outside the ball runner should always push up and if it opens up in front of him keep pushing up into the hole.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

I can say the exact same with you

No you can't because I've accepted what you said and countered it. You on the other hand have not, you're instead looking at one frame and refusing to acknowledge anything else. You've done this so many times in the past.

How can you continue to ignore something so blatantly obvious? Jake is literally telling Flanagan what he wants, he's setup for that play and our backs are setup up for it. We've then got 4 players all on the same page yet Flanagan decides to go against that and do his own thing. How on earth are you blaming anyone else other than the one bloke that went away from the actual play?