Official Dean Pay "They are all fighting for a spot in the team".

[Howard Moon]

All this praise for Pay...
Let’s not forget that the decision to upgrade JMK instead of Lewis could have been catastrophic if Mbye hadn’t moved on. IMO the successes of last year were almost by accident rather than a deliberate action by Pay. Lewis at half, Martin’s general play and goal kicking & Holland and Smith’s combo wouldn’t have existed without injuries to Pay’s starters.
Let’s see what he does in year 2 but I feel the success of this team will be tied quite closely to how Foran goes in 2019.

The players you mention all went up a gear under Pay, so regardless of why people believe they are there, can't deny that

 

[Baby Blues]

The players you mention all went up a gear under Pay, so regardless of why people believe they are there, can't deny that

For Pay or for the sake of their own careers? Your point can be easily argued actually. You can be really good at your job regardless of who your boss is.
I wasn’t a fan of many of his decisions but won’t be deathriding him. I want the club to succeed and a 3rd season in a row without finals would be terrible.

 

[blueyedsamurai]

Haslers guaranteed spot policy was shit we’ve always been better when players are made accountable for their performances

Part of the reason we had such a good year in 2012 was because the majority of the players thought they were going to get replaced, especially Barba who thought Brett Stewart was going to take his spot.

 

[Jean-Claude Juncker]

The players you mention all went up a gear under Pay, so regardless of why people believe they are there, can't deny that

Pay blooded them when he thought they were ready, then proceeded to bring out the best in them. These guys love playing for Pay.

 

[dogwhisperer]

You started crying that you were made to feel like a piece of shit. So you swore at me. You went very personal with my NANA you monkey..

You could not take an opinion that challenged yours. Just by your reply you either make your self look like the retarded one or you are a 15 year old kid with happy fingers or even your an actual monkey.

You don't know me so your words dont hurt me like my educated opinion hurt yours. Because that really cracked your ego and you cried by saying something that effects no one except yours.

Remember you cant give anyone anything especially "YOU WILL GIVE PAY A SECOND YEAR" LIKE YOU OWN THE CLUB HAHAHA
WOW I DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE THE RUSSELL CROWE OF THE BULLDOGS.

If your brain is brain of a bulldogs supporter then no on here will ever be happy..THIS FORUM HAS BECOME A JOKE AND YOU CANT TAKE AN OPINION OPPOSING YOURS MIGHT AS WELL SMS YOUR SELF AND REPLY. and you MIGHT AGREE and the masturbate with joy with that PORNHUB MEMBERSHIP your desperately believing you will recieve in the MAIL.

YOU ARE DISGRACE to your self...should be ashamed of your comments and you know deep down your hurting and nothing you say will upset or hurt. Not even angry.

I actually feel better that you have confirmed with a rubber stamp that you are nothing absolutely nothing.

I will not reply any FURTHER to this thread. I have made my point. Say what you like it means nothing to me.

Bye bye

What are you on about mate?
Who cares if he said he’ll give Pay a second year. That doesn’t mean he thinks he owns the club. It’s something a lot of supporters say regarding coaches, players, management. I’ve heard that saying a million times. I’ve even said it a few times. Seriously man, get off the hashish

 

[Jean-Claude Juncker]

Pay will also be fighting for his job if he keeps talking and doesn’t deliver.
Last season he also talked it up pre season and we were then scrambling for excuses when the team was underperforming .
I really hope that this year he turns it around and we have a good season. I’m happy to give him a 2nd year to show us what he can do. I can however confidently say that not ALL the Bulldogs coaches are on the same page with Pay . That’s no surprise, all coaches do not have the same football philosophy .
End of the day though Pay is the head coach and he is the one that will cop the criticism or accolades depending how the team is performing.

"... if he keeps talking"? Pay's barely been heard this pre-season, and discussing competition for spots in another hard-hitting Steve Turner interview for Bulldogs TV is not an example of "talking it up".

"I can however confidently say not ALL the Bulldogs coaches are on the same page with Pay"? Lol, who? Penna?

 

[CrittaMagic69]

All this praise for Pay...
Let’s not forget that the decision to upgrade JMK instead of Lewis could have been catastrophic if Mbye hadn’t moved on. IMO the successes of last year were almost by accident rather than a deliberate action by Pay. Lewis at half, Martin’s general play and goal kicking & Holland and Smith’s combo wouldn’t have existed without injuries to Pay’s starters.
Let’s see what he does in year 2 but I feel the success of this team will be tied quite closely to how Foran goes in 2019.

They don't forget it, they just completely lie about the situation and come up with ridiculous excuses.

 

[Howard Moon]

I don't know why you are hanging onto this Lewis thing like your life depends on it.. he's in the team now, he's playing better footy under Pay, get over it.... Some of the games best judges have said that Lewis was not a stand out in the ISP... it does not make Pay any less of a coach for overlooking him previously.

 

[Jean-Claude Juncker]

I don't know why you are hanging onto this Lewis thing like your life depends on it.. he's in the team now, he's playing better footy under Pay, get over it.... Some of the games best judges have said that Lewis was not a stand out in the ISP... it does not make Pay any less of a coach for overlooking him previously.

I believe the footballing reason JMK got the nod early was that there were no concerns about his defence or temperament. He’s also a year older than Lewis and had been in the NRL system at Wests. A little bit of experience was better than none at all. And this is all aside from the fact that he had also shown glimpses of skill with ball in hand. There’s a lot of judges out there with more expertise than anyone on The Kennel that continue to rate JMK. And I believe he offered good value all season, especially with his versatility.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

I don't know why you are hanging onto this Lewis thing like your life depends on it.. he's in the team now, he's playing better footy under Pay, get over it.... Some of the games best judges have said that Lewis was not a stand out in the ISP... it does not make Pay any less of a coach for overlooking him previously.

Because some people want to pretend like it never happened and that it's not important. It absolutely is. Like I have said multiple times, it wasn't hard to come to the conclusion that Lewis was our best halves option at the club for last season.

Pay had his mind set on the likes of Cogger and JMK and didn't even consider Lewis and that's why he was told he was free to look for another club before Christmas.

 

[Howard Moon]

Because some people want to pretend like it never happened and that it's not important. It absolutely is. Like I have said multiple times, it wasn't hard to come to the conclusion that Lewis was our best halves option at the club for last season.

Pay had his mind set on the likes of Cogger and JMK and didn't even consider Lewis and that's why he was told he was free to look for another club before Christmas.

Mate, some of the games best have said that Lewis was not a stand out in the ISP... what does it say about them? fact is, he wasn't, but when he was promoted, he went up a level almost every time he played, and has become a much more consistent player... move on already

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Mate, some of the games best have said that Lewis was not a stand out in the ISP... what does it say about them? fact is, he wasn't, but when he was promoted, he went up a level almost every time he played, and has become a much more consistent player... move on already

What games best? Where are these quotes? You can keep twisting shit as much as you want, but like I said I'm a fucking nobody and could easily see he has the qualities that were lacking from our other options. Excuse after excuse. Fucking pathetic.

 

[albatross]

Pay blooded them when he thought they were ready, then proceeded to bring out the best in them. These guys love playing for Pay.

It's funny how some took a dislike to Pay when he started and ever since, everything that's bad is 100% Pay and anything that's good has nothing to do with him. Makes it fun to read but not much point having a discussion with people who plant their feet and have no balance.

 

[Jean-Claude Juncker]

It's funny how some took a dislike to Pay when he started and ever since, everything that's bad is 100% Pay and anything that's good has nothing to do with him. Makes it fun to read but not much point having a discussion with people who plant their feet and have no balance.

Great point.

 

[Howard Moon]

What games best? Where are these quotes? You can keep twisting shit as much as you want, but like I said I'm a fucking nobody and could easily see he has the qualities that were lacking from our other options. Excuse after excuse. Fucking pathetic.

It was spoken about by commentators, I don't remember who exactly... maybe somebody here can remember.... not that it really matters that much... fact is, Lachy was a bit of a hit and miss in the ISP, and has played his best footy thus far at the top level.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

It was spoken about by commentators, I don't remember who exactly... maybe somebody here can remember.... not that it really matters that much... fact is, Lachy was a bit of a hit and miss in the ISP, and has played his best footy thus far at the top level.

This is actually laughable. Yes he stepped up at NRL level and performed better than he had at ISP level, but that isn't the point. The point is that he still showed the qualities in ISP that our top side was lacking, yet Pay showed a complete lack of talent identification and said he was free to go and had bloody JMK promoted ahead of him, he didn't even view him as a half ffs.

How can you not see a problem there? Or is your hard on for Pay taking away all the bloody from your head and making it hard to think correctly? The difference he made to our side was massive, yet a bloke that spent hours upon hours at training with him couldn't identify this?

It's like you guys support Pay rather than the Bulldogs, just fucking admit it.

 

[Howard Moon]

This is actually laughable. Yes he stepped up at NRL level and performed better than he had at ISP level, but that isn't the point. The point is that he still showed the qualities in ISP that our top side was lacking, yet Pay showed a complete lack of talent identification and said he was free to go and had bloody JMK promoted ahead of him, he didn't even view him as a half ffs.

How can you not see a problem there? Or is your hard on for Pay taking away all the bloody from your head and making it hard to think correctly? The difference he made to our side was massive, yet a bloke that spent hours upon hours at training with him couldn't identify this?

It's like you guys support Pay rather than the Bulldogs, just fucking admit it.

You're just going in circles now...

 

[BlackDawg]

Whip Pay all you want but, at the time we were looking for a new coach, no marquee coach would have touched us because of how hamstrung our salary cap was so he was the best choice as coach given our predicament. I thought our coaches managed the blooding of players from ISP pretty well in 2018. 3 cases in point were Lewis, JMK & To'omaga. I think Lewis was purposely blooded late in 2018 to get a taste of 1st grade and remove all the debut nerves to clear the way for 2019. JMK, on the other hand, made his debut in the last round of 2017 & was placed in 1st grade for the majority of 2018 where he eventually struggled with the effort on effort required to front up to 1st grade. Given our issues at 9 he had to tough it out far more than he should have. Finally To'omaga got his debut in R10 & played 4 games in 2018. I thought he couldn't control his nerves and under performed so he was eventually dropped back to ISP where he killed it in the final series. I think if he can control his nerves he will be a beast in 1st grade. 3 different players and 3 different approaches to managing them. All 3 will be better off in 2019 given the way each was managed in 2018.

 

[silverelvis69]

Surely remis smith has a wing spot no questions asked at least he can make something out of nothing.

Id have him at fullback

 

[Baby Blues]

Whip Pay all you want but, at the time we were looking for a new coach, no marquee coach would have touched us because of how hamstrung our salary cap was so he was the best choice as coach given our predicament. I thought our coaches managed the blooding of players from ISP pretty well in 2018. 3 cases in point were Lewis, JMK & To'omaga. I think Lewis was purposely blooded late in 2018 to get a taste of 1st grade and remove all the debut nerves to clear the way for 2019. JMK, on the other hand, made his debut in the last round of 2017 & was placed in 1st grade for the majority of 2018 where he eventually struggled with the effort on effort required to front up to 1st grade. Given our issues at 9 he had to tough it out far more than he should have. Finally To'omaga got his debut in R10 & played 4 games in 2018. I thought he couldn't control his nerves and under performed so he was eventually dropped back to ISP where he killed it in the final series. I think if he can control his nerves he will be a beast in 1st grade. 3 different players and 3 different approaches to managing them. All 3 will be better off in 2019 given the way each was managed in 2018.

That’s fine to support Pay but I just want everybody here to keep the same energy. One of the biggest gripes that many on here have had has been recruitment and retention. We are very lucky to still have Martin and Lewis at the club. If Lewis had signed with the Broncos or Dragons all of you would be losing your shit right now. The decision to upgrade JMK in preseason was a poor one. I still find the Crichton signing as strange too. Is he really better than the options we have? If the salary cap is tight wouldn’t it be cheaper to upgrade a NSW cup player?