U.S. Politics Discussion 2.0

The New Legacy said:
My reply to @Brendan7 was in reference to the victim he mentioned and her perpetrator specifically.

When I raised a point that victims wouldn’t be victims if the illegal perpetrators didn’t target them (some time back) I got the reply I listed and deflections from people here about legals commit crimes too.
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I just looked back at the discussion you're talking about (at least I think it was that discussion). You raised the point that the crime was committed by an immigrant and while the other person did say, ".. the authorities should be concentrating on that rather than targeting the minority", they went on to explain that they meant that the issue is that media coverage and focus by authorities is on the immigrant while ignoring the higher crime rates by non-immigrants.

It's a valid point from both sides. It's a valid point that immigrants can cause problems. It's also a valid point that the attention is focused more on the minority over the majority. Personally I think that both issues should be addressed. But as I said before, addressing the crimes of a single (or multiple) immigrant/s by targeting all immigrants is like trying to put out a fire with a nuke.
 
wendog33 said:
Maybe that should start at the Mexican/Guatemala/Belize border and all the way thru those Central American countries from Panama up?...with those countries Govt's co-operation?

Seems like a several countries problem... if it's to be fixed.
See if the art of the deal guy can do it.
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It's a very difficult issue to tackle. But like any issue, best to tackle one at a time. Maybe focus on the Mexican border to start then build from there.

The thing I hate most about Trump is that he really tackles it from the Nasho side. He would sacrifice 1,000 immigrants to protect 1 American. We're all humans and we should all be treated equally.
 
Hacky McAxe said:
It's a very difficult issue to tackle. But like any issue, best to tackle one at a time. Maybe focus on the Mexican border to start then build from there.

The thing I hate most about Trump is that he really tackles it from the Nasho side. He would sacrifice 1,000 immigrants to protect 1 American. We're all humans and we should all be treated equally.
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Tackling at the hardest point tho if it remains a Mexico/US border issue...they surely don't relish thousands and thousands of these southern CA countries populace traipsing thru their country enroute to US.
 
Hacky McAxe said:
It's a very difficult issue to tackle. But like any issue, best to tackle one at a time. Maybe focus on the Mexican border to start then build from there.

The thing I hate most about Trump is that he really tackles it from the Nasho side. He would sacrifice 1,000 immigrants to protect 1 American. We're all humans and we should all be treated equally.
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The thing you hate most about FLAFOTUS?

I'm going with the ongoing impunity from any sort of legal recourse from a long history of illegal activity. All pollies are small time crooks. But when the crook outweighs the pollie its never going to end well.
 
The New Legacy said:
Common sense right, if that individual wasn’t in the US then their victim would have been one. I posted something along those lines a while back and got this reply.

“Since crime by legal citizens is so much higher than crime by illegal immigrants, the authorities should be concentrating on that rather than targeting the minority”
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It is a good point.

If Trump went after American criminals he would have to gaol himself.

Massive deflection there.
 
steeliz said:
It is a good point.

If Trump went after American criminals he would have to gaol himself.

Massive deflection there.
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Its a sad world when illegal immigrants who have supposedly been dumped in the US to get them out of their own countries to stop them from committing crime in their home countries are actually better behaved than the average US ciztizen.
 
Doogie said:
The thing you hate most about FLAFOTUS?

I'm going with the ongoing impunity from any sort of legal recourse from a long history of illegal activity. All pollies are small time crooks. But when the crook outweighs the pollie its never going to end well.
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Yeah, I think his Nationalism is the most dangerous part. It's what drives him to not care about immigrants. But the crimes are obviously an issue too.
 
Doogie said:
Its a sad world when illegal immigrants who have supposedly been dumped in the US to get them out of their own countries to stop them from committing crime in their home countries are actually better behaved than the average US ciztizen.
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I find it hilarious that the President who is kicking them out of the country has a longer rap sheet than 95% of of the illegal immigrants he is deporting.

I guess using money from a kids cancer charity on yourself rather than for the sick kids just isn't a big enough deal.
 
Hacky McAxe said:
Yeah, I think his Nationalism is the most dangerous part. It's what drives him to not care about immigrants. But the crimes are obviously an issue too.
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Thats the thing though - the immigrants and not caring is a distraction. The numbers show clearly its not the biggest issue facing the US yet he's conned everyone into believing so. The rap sheet for example on Ibarra is a perfect example. What happened to Laken is a tragedy but the average US citizen is more likely to commit that kind of crime than an immigrant.

Its a damn logic argument. You made all the effort to get to the US, last thing in the world you want is to bring attention to yourself.

Yet for the average american, you think you can get away with it. Especially if you got the cash. Why? Because FLAFOTUS showed you the way. And you can bank he's not gunna deal with the fundamental problem here - coz he'd probably be somewhere near the front of the list.
 
steeliz said:
I find it hilarious that the President who is kicking them out of the country has a longer rap sheet than 95% of of the illegal immigrants he is deporting.

I guess using money from a kids cancer charity on yourself rather than for the sick kids just isn't a big enough deal.
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Pass mark from MAGAites apparently \_(ツ)_/¯
 
Lol.... Gimp #2 has spoken....
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Columbia has backed down and accepted the immigrants via military plane. Trump's team have reported that this is proof the world now respects the US due to Trump's hard-line stance.
 
wendog33 said:
Quite a few Democrats voted for and supported this current bill....but article shows further evidence of the manipulation Trump sought to escalate the furore and sabotage previous Democrat legislation.

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They ALL should have voted for it. It’s embarrassing that even one opposed that bill. That situation should NEVER happen again ever there is nothing that can bring back that victim who would still be here if the previous administration actually cared about the borders
 
Hacky McAxe said:
Cool. Boot 'em out. Make it as uncomfortable for them as possible. But what about the ones that didn't commit crimes?
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I think fentanyl and gun guy should get to stay. He sounds very compatible with the rest of the population.
 
Brendan7 said:
They ALL should have voted for it. It’s embarrassing that even one opposed that bill. That situation should NEVER happen again ever there is nothing that can bring back that victim who would still be here if the previous administration actually cared about the borders
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If Trump hadn't grandstanded and nuked the Democrat bill then solutions could have been implemented quicker.

He had no thoughts about caring for victims whatsoever. Just wanted to foster chaos and fear in the public as has been his whole political career.
 
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