Opinion Theory on Adam Elliott's constant selection.

[TwinTurbo]

So you're saying all of CHN, Ogden and To'omaga have been late to training or complained to Pay? And even if true, that's a one week punishment at most, not several games like CHN and To'omaga and doesn't explain why Ogden would only play 27 minutes a game all season. And none of this justifies why Elliott plays 80 minutes a game despite making so many errors and conceding so many penalties. There are still other players in the 17 that can come on for him...

I think I have worked out what's wrong with TK, no one bothers to read the posts that are directly before their brain explosion, before they start typing.

Too easy;
CHN apparently discipline issues, named in the 17, possibly time in purgatory finished.
Ogden, better for the front row off the bench for impact, not fit enough for 80 minutes in the back row.
To'Omaga, coming back from a tricky injury, being given a chance to get match fit.

Go Dogs

 

[TwinTurbo]

Do you have inside info on this so called disciplinary action because you use this as an excuse for Pay and his team selections quite often

For 2 players only (which is not an exclusive), plus I can see reasons for other players positioning and selection not related to discipline . I can't help it if some people can't read and/or comprehend English.

Go Dogs

 

[Spoonman84]

I'm very concerned about TwinT and his unsubstantiated disparaging remarks about several players as well...low blow to denigrate and allude to behavioural problems when there is no proof.

Every single back rower besides Jackson and Elliott have discipline issues apparently and not just little issues, ones that keep them out of first grade! You’d think something like that would get a mention in the media.....

 

[Nate DAWG]

Every single back rower besides Jackson and Elliott have discipline issues apparently and not just little issues ones that keep them out of first grade! You’d think something like that would get a mention in the media.....

Because it is all created in TTs head to rationalize an irrational support of Pay and his team selections.

 

[Flanagun]

He actually played pretty well last year. I seriously wonder whether mad Monday and the negativity of fans is having an impact on his form.

Dogs fans can be vicious.

 

[Mr Invisible]

or maybe Deans favourite song is Sweet Caroline!

 

[TwinTurbo]

Sorry, not doubting what you're saying, I just thought the whole point was to put the players on the park that would most likely get a win. It's starting to sound like #payout is running things like kindergarten.

Players are expected to sign up to a code of conduct, which is upheld by the coaching staff and the players leadership group. That code includes a whole raft of big and small things like timeliness, missing training, dodging recovery, leaving their gear behind, missing the team bus, ducking their specialised training, not meeting the weight and fitness targets that are established in pre season etc etc. Stuff that may seem trivial to outsiders but it's considered important enough to the team to have mandated punishment, which can range from extra laps after training to being dropped for repeat offences. Most teams keep it amongst themselves, it rarely gets out into the media for obvious reasons. Bellamy is notorious for his ultra strict regimen, it's take no prisoners with him and the players buy into it or they go elsewhere.

Personally I applaud that approach, which has a long Bulldogs history even back to Kevin Ryan's time where he dealt out not exactly PC discipline.

Go Dogs

 

[B-Train]

I think I have worked out what's wrong with TK, no one bothers to read the posts that are directly before their brain explosion, before they start typing.

Go Dogs

Haha. Here we go. You could be accused of the same. Whatever point anyone raises you'll accuse them of being dumb or misinformed as if you have all of the answers and ignore the questions raised.

Whatever anyone says you'll stand by Pay like a cult follower does a cult leader and completely ignore and defend the many issues that he has as coach as if we're all crazy for raising concerns.

Clearly you are content with coming last and we're sorry for questioning a great coach like Dean Pay.

 

[wendog33]

Haha. Here we go. You could be accused of the same. Whatever point anyone raises you'll accuse them of being dumb or misinformed as if you have all of the answers and ignore the questions raised.

Whatever anyone says you'll stand by Pay like a cult follower does a cult leader and completely ignore and defend the many issues that he has as coach as if we're all crazy for raising concerns.

Clearly you are content with coming last and we're sorry for questioning a great coach like Dean Pay.

"Whatever anyone says you'll stand by Pay like a cult follower does a cult leader and completely ignore and defend the many issues that he has as coach as if we're all crazy for raising concerns".

Be passing out the Cool Aid for Pay soon lol

 

[The DoggFather]

He actually played pretty well last year. I seriously wonder whether mad Monday and the negativity of fans is having an impact on his form.

Dogs fans can be vicious.

So not only he plays like a snowflake, but is an actual snowflake?

 

[The DoggFather]

Haha. Here we go. You could be accused of the same. Whatever point anyone raises you'll accuse them of being dumb or misinformed as if you have all of the answers and ignore the questions raised.

Whatever anyone says you'll stand by Pay like a cult follower does a cult leader and completely ignore and defend the many issues that he has as coach as if we're all crazy for raising concerns.

Clearly you are content with coming last and we're sorry for questioning a great coach like Dean Pay.

Take it easy on Mrs Pay, she is just defending her husband.

 

[wendog33]

Because it is all created in TTs head to rationalize an irrational support of Pay and his team selections.

If it's true they are all in disciplanary pergatory, then in lots of ways it confirms Pay's inability to manage the roster sadly.

 

[KLil]

Players are expected to sign up to a code of conduct, which is upheld by the coaching staff and the players leadership group. That code includes a whole raft of big and small things like timeliness, missing training, dodging recovery, leaving their gear behind, missing the team bus, ducking their specialised training, not meeting the weight and fitness targets that are established in pre season etc etc. Stuff that may seem trivial to outsiders but it's considered important enough to the team to have mandated punishment, which can range from extra laps after training to being dropped for repeat offences. Most teams keep it amongst themselves, it rarely gets out into the media for obvious reasons. Bellamy is notorious for his ultra strict regimen, it's take no prisoners with him and the players buy into it or they go elsewhere.

Personally I applaud that approach, which has a long Bulldogs history even back to Kevin Ryan's time where he dealt out not exactly PC discipline.

Go Dogs

We'll tell Kevin Ryan its 2019. Unless you have these in your line-up these days you cant win comps.


Peptides
Cheating the cap
Dickheads with immense talent.
Immortals
Shitloads of 3rd party deals to keep extraordinary talent happy at the club.


The only culture you really need these days is a bunch of talented lads who respect each other who want to win a GF!


And tell the Leadership group to stop missing tackles, dropping the ball and stifling the attack thinking they are Benji Marshall V2005.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Haha. Here we go. You could be accused of the same. Whatever point anyone raises you'll accuse them of being dumb or misinformed as if you have all of the answers and ignore the questions raised.

Ask any question and I will answer it to the best of my ability, as I always do. If I don't know the answer I will say so.

Whatever anyone says you'll stand by Pay like a cult follower does a cult leader and completely ignore and defend the many issues that he has as coach as if we're all crazy for raising concerns.

Well, some of the stuff I read is completely crazy, like dropping Hopoate or DWZ to make room for Harper just to show that he might be worthy next year, seriously even you must find that somewhat whacko.

Clearly you are content with coming last and we're sorry for questioning a great coach like Pay.

Where the hell did you get that idea from? It pains me greatly to see my team play like it is and be where we are on the table. I'm a bit more of a realist than some, who unrealistically expect miracles, when the fact is we were unanimously picked by everyone to finish with the spoon based strictly on our playing squad. Should we expect the coaching staff to magically change that and then crucify them when they don't, sorry that's just not my style. I do get annoyed somewhat when crazy stuff gets posted that plainly isn't true, not remotely logical and shows a total ignorance of how the NRL and Clubs actually operate, annoyance which occasionally sneaks through despite my best efforts.

Go Dogs

 

[B-Train]

Ask any question and I will answer it to the best of my ability, as I always do. If I don't know the answer I will say so.

Well, some of the stuff I read is completely crazy, like dropping Hopoate or DWZ to make room for Harper just to show that he might be worthy next year, seriously even you must find that somewhat whacko.


Where the hell did you get that idea from? It pains me greatly to see my team play like it is and be where we are on the table. I'm a bit more of a realist than some, who unrealistically expect miracles, when the fact is we were unanimously picked by everyone to finish with the spoon based strictly on our playing squad. Should we expect the coaching staff to magically change that and then crucify them when they don't, sorry that's just not my style. I do get annoyed somewhat when crazy stuff gets posted that plainly isn't true, not remotely logical and shows a total ignorance of how the NRL and Clubs actually operate, annoyance which occasionally sneaks through despite my best efforts.

Go Dogs

No one expects miracles Twin Turbo and most people know how clubs operate. Most clubs would have fired Pay by now. And that's all the fans are upset about as he's proven he's not up to the task. Appointing an interim coach until they find the next head coach isn't an unreasonable or irrational request.

 

[Flanagun]

So not only he plays like a snowflake, but is an actual snowflake?

Lol pretty much everyone is a snowflake according to you, mate....

He’s not running or hiding from his problems.... he’s not making excuses. Everyone is capable of being subconsciously affected by external challenges. Doesn’t make them a “snowflake”.

I’m just making an observation. His form
is way down on last year’s.... especially in defence. It may have nothing to do with mad Monday or fan criticism.... it may just be a case of low confidence due to being part of a team which is low on confidence from 1-17.... but there’s no doubt he was better last year.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Kennel member: Your sore from the game yesterday cause the contact and hits from the big *****

Twin Turbo: Look your right to a technical point but the reason you are sore from the game is because when muscles are required to work harder than they're used to or in a different way, it's believed to cause microscopic damage to the muscle fibres, resulting in muscle soreness or stiffness. DOMS is often mistakenly believed to be caused by a build up of lactic acid, but lactic acid isn't involved in this process.

Go Dogs

 

[Blueandwhiteblood1968]

When does his contract run out?

 

[GDR]

Players are expected to sign up to a code of conduct, which is upheld by the coaching staff and the players leadership group. That code includes a whole raft of big and small things like timeliness, missing training, dodging recovery, leaving their gear behind, missing the team bus, ducking their specialised training, not meeting the weight and fitness targets that are established in pre season etc etc. Stuff that may seem trivial to outsiders but it's considered important enough to the team to have mandated punishment, which can range from extra laps after training to being dropped for repeat offences. Most teams keep it amongst themselves, it rarely gets out into the media for obvious reasons. Bellamy is notorious for his ultra strict regimen, it's take no prisoners with him and the players buy into it or they go elsewhere.

Personally I applaud that approach, which has a long Bulldogs history even back to Kevin Ryan's time where he dealt out not exactly PC discipline.

Go Dogs

let me guess who the leadership group is hhhmmmm??? Tolman Jackson and Elliott... 3 of the biggest flops this year.. vested interest much ??

 

[The DoggFather]

Lol pretty much everyone is a snowflake according to you, mate....

He’s not running or hiding from his problems.... he’s not making excuses. Everyone is capable of being subconsciously affected by external challenges. Doesn’t make them a “snowflake”.

I’m just making an observation. His form
is way down on last year’s.... especially in defence. It may have nothing to do with mad Monday or fan criticism.... it may just be a case of low confidence due to being part of a team which is low on confidence from 1-17.... but there’s no doubt he was better last year.

Not everyone... lol

He was a touch better last year but if he is low on confidence go find it in reserves. OR a real coach should be a good man manager and help players mentally, which pay obviously does not know how to do.

These spoilt little boys need to learn they have it sweet and appreciate what they have. How long would this little bitch last in a real job when you are consistently rubbish at his job?