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so he is a real life Waylon Smithers?Little Jewish homosexual gimp. 100% he is Anal Schwabs play toy.
Those 2 pole smokers are Dr Evil and Mini Me.
so he is a real life Waylon Smithers?Little Jewish homosexual gimp. 100% he is Anal Schwabs play toy.
Those 2 pole smokers are Dr Evil and Mini Me.
Yeah but more evilso he is a real life Waylon Smithers?
yes I’ve heard this arrogant creep speaks.Yeah but more evil
I'm surprised the tribe hasn't tried to off the little gimpyes I’ve heard this arrogant creep speaks.
He is a sick twisted evil psychopath.
People who think this guy is a genius are just as twisted!
Roseanne Barr went on the record just recently and said something controversial about her own tribe!
I guess she is just butthurt they sold her out and cancelled her?
I don’t know why she is surprised?
she is a fat old woman.I'm surprised the tribe hasn't tried to off the little gimp
Guessing you're more specifically Inquiring about predestination? Romans 9 covers quite a bit.Ok. I'm not here to cause argument. I wont even respond to the replies to cause any argument or heated debates.
But @ASSASSIN or @dogwhisper (not kelp lol) give me a contemporary Christian view of Romans and of course Romans 9, which i never have really looked at until recently. Dogwhisper, own words pleqse, no copy paste, i have already looked at the standard "bible.org" and "athiest.org" writings on it.
Just want a contemporary Aussie Christians view.
Again. Not here to start arguments. I wont reply. Just need to feed my curiosity
Yes correct. Esp the example of Jacob and Esau. To me this negates the notion of free will. God makes people the way he wants them to. That everything depends on Gods mercy and not on what people want/do. He chooses people based on his will. And Paul points out the issue, the answer is "Who are we to question God"Guessing you're more specifically Inquiring about predestination? Romans 9 covers quite a bit.
IMO, this can be as simple as God will have mercy and compassion to those who believe and accept His mercy and compassion.Yes correct. Esp the example of Jacob and Esau. To me this negates the notion of free will. God makes people the way he wants them to. That everything depends on Gods mercy and not on what people want/do. He chooses people based on his will. And Paul points out the issue, the answer is "Who are we to question God"
"For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
Yes, totally agree with the total sovereign will of God - either man has free will and autonomy putting the power of man's will out side of Gods sovereignty and power, hence making man the supreme dictator of eternity and reducing Gods power to chance - or God in His supreme power chooses whom He will save for His Glory.Yes correct. Esp the example of Jacob and Esau. To me this negates the notion of free will. God makes people the way he wants them to. That everything depends on Gods mercy and not on what people want/do. He chooses people based on his will. And Paul points out the issue, the answer is "Who are we to question God"
"For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
Predestination is very difficult to marry up with justice and judgement, it always has been and probably will be until we see Him face to face.What I struggle with is by saying God is all knowing negates free will. Just because He knows what we will do doesn't mean He makes it happen.
I see God as a Father, us mere humans use predetermination with our children, from something simple knowing that our kids can't do something yet but we still let them attempt it and fail so they learn from it to preparing them with education and help for them to get a good job. We can direct and help them, but ultimately it's up to our kids.
Will there be people that miss out on heaven? Sure, plenty of them sadly. But using "predetermination" is a cop out. Only thing predetermined is that we were created in His image and we have the ability to believe and follow Christ. The rest is up to us and our choices.
I'll expand more later as I'm not feeling the best ATM.
Also I think the predisposition of man is that we are basically good, though that may be somewhat true in terms of how we treat man, that is not the case of how we treat God.Yes correct. Esp the example of Jacob and Esau. To me this negates the notion of free will. God makes people the way he wants them to. That everything depends on Gods mercy and not on what people want/do. He chooses people based on his will. And Paul points out the issue, the answer is "Who are we to question God"
"For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
Reply when you're better brother. Its nothing urgentWhat I struggle with is by saying God is all knowing negates free will. Just because He knows what we will do doesn't mean He makes it happen.
I see God as a Father, us mere humans use predetermination with our children, from something simple knowing that our kids can't do something yet but we still let them attempt it and fail so they learn from it to preparing them with education and help for them to get a good job. We can direct and help them, but ultimately it's up to our kids.
Will there be people that miss out on heaven? Sure, plenty of them sadly. But using "predetermination" is a cop out. Only thing predetermined is that we were created in His image and we have the ability to believe and follow Christ. The rest is up to us and our choices.
I'll expand more later as I'm not feeling the best ATM.
Thanks bro. Appreciate the civil discussion.Reply when you're better brother. Its nothing urgent
Thanks for the honest response. My issue is that through Paul, God clearly states he has created some (not all) predestined for destruction. This is evident in the twin example.Also I think the predisposition of man is that we are basically good, though that may be somewhat true in terms of how we treat man, that is not the case of how we treat God.
We tend to think that that everyone deserves heaven and only the really bad deserves the eternal judgement - yet the bible says we all deserve judment for our defiance against God .. we are not basically good, we are completely and utterly against God and will be post judgement.
There is no desire of man to be in relationship with God here on earth as they despise His ways, so why would they want to spend eternity with Him?
No one wants to go to the heaven of the Bible. No one wants to submit to the authority of God.
We end up where we long to go, far away from Gods protective and and fulfilling blessing, and we will despise Him for all eternity as that is all we can do without His Goodness in Grace ruling our lives.
I'm guessing this intrigue came about with the discussion you had earlier on about the culpability of the programed robots?Reply when you're better brother. Its nothing urgent
Yeh bro, it's a very difficult concept to comprehend even for Christians, though I think verse 22(?) gives a good explanation as to why God choose some for destruction - or possibly more to the point, why he choose to save some from destruction.Thanks for the honest response. My issue is that through Paul, God clearly states he has created some (not all) predestined for destruction
Wouldn't that mean God either doesn't want me to see his goodness... or he doesn't want me to see his goodness yet?The paradox rests in the fact that we can't see that God is good unless he reveals to us the goodness of God through The Holy Spirit.
And that is solely at His discretion.
Once we see the goodness of God we see our sinful state -the overwhelming sinful nature of man against the mirror of what is actually good as revealed in Gods character.
Until then we simply think God is a terrible being who does not serve our agenda.
And if God being the standard of good is not seen as good in our eyes, how can we ever see the depth of our sin against Him? As we do not know what is good as defined by God because we define Him as 'not good'.