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Kelpie03

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I have one mate that is heavily religious. He's the harshest judge of people I know. But he also has this massive blindspot when it comes to judging people in positions of power within the church. And I see similar responses from people in here that feel the need to come into bat for religion whenever it gets a bad headline. Don't call out atheists or people criticizing what in all honesty should be called out. Maybe direct that anger towards the institution to let them know you won't tolerate the people in power bringing down outsiders opinion of the organizations because they're greedy and self interested.
Some religious people have been judgemental, however I think their are very few these days because many now don't practice but say that they believe in god. I sense that you are just as hard if not harder at judging people who practice faith, Jesus quoted "HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE".
This quote applies to all Christians, but it should apply to others as well, I know plenty of atheists who are always judging Christians particularly Catholics, because it helps them to justify there reasons for been atheists.
I must admit that all Christian churches don't condemn the sin of judging others enough.
 

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Mate you have to come to terms most people who profess faith and belief are good people like most atheists are! You also have to come to terms that the bad people in religious institutes are a reflection of society cause it's ALSO THE SAME AMONGSTS ATHEISTS.. FMD IT'S NOT ROCK SCIENCE!


This whole argument should be easy for Bulldog supporters, for YEARS we have been judged by the actions of a small minority and you idiots defended the club in most of those instances... what the fuck is the difference?
You're half right if you are talking about isolated incidents. But when the corruption is entrenched, systemic, ongoing and embraced as it has been in the catholic church for decades, than yes, that institution deserves to be mocked and ridiculed and criticised and have it's tax exemption removed and those responsible held to account and jailed. But that's not what happened within the catholic church. Paedophiles were protected, moved repeatedly to avoid prosecution, allowed to continue to rape children, the victims blamed, their families threatened, all to protect the church's reputation within society. Even today, catholic lobbyists are tying to limit the amount of compensation they will be forced to pay their victims. If you don't find that abhorrent than you have no right to question my morals and ethics.

These are facts religious types continually and wilfully ignore because they don't want their beliefs and faith in that institution tainted. Well tough shit, because that institution is tainted, has been tainted for decades will continue to be tainted while ever it puts itself above the law and the decency with which the rest of us abide by.
 

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Some religious people have been judgemental, however I think their are very few these days because many now don't practice but say that they believe in god. I sense that you are just as hard if not harder at judging people who practice faith, Jesus quoted "HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE".
This quote applies to all Christians, but it should apply to others as well, I know plenty of atheists who are always judging Christians particularly Catholics, because it helps them to justify there reasons for been atheists.
I must admit that all Christian churches don't condemn the sin of judging others enough.
I'm not condemning people for judging. It's quite clear that I measure morality and things too. I'm questioning the fact of why many religious people give their churches a clear pass and don't demand better of those who bring their churches unwanted scrutiny. It's as simple as that. I feel the same way about politics and employers so don't assume that I'm an atheist or deriding the church in isolation. Just because you feel that the institution is admirable overall, it doesn't mean that any individual representing an institution you support should be defended because on balance you feel that who they represent might be good overall.
 

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A good holy war should sort all this out.
Socialists/Communist/Left Wing anti Christians/religion have killed more people in trying to eradicate Religion then any wars combined that had religious traits! Also we are not going back 500-10000 years! Fun and games for atheists.
 

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You're half right if you are talking about isolated incidents. But when the corruption is entrenched, systemic, ongoing and embraced as it has been in the catholic church for decades, than yes, that institution deserves to be mocked and ridiculed and criticised and have it's tax exemption removed and those responsible held to account and jailed. But that's not what happened within the catholic church. Paedophiles were protected, moved repeatedly to avoid prosecution, allowed to continue to rape children, the victims blamed, their families threatened, all to protect the church's reputation within society. Even today, catholic lobbyists are tying to limit the amount of compensation they will be forced to pay their victims. If you don't find that abhorrent than you have no right to question my morals and ethics.

These are facts religious types continually and wilfully ignore because they don't want their beliefs and faith in that institution tainted. Well tough shit, because that institution is tainted, has been tainted for decades will continue to be tainted while ever it puts itself above the law and the decency with which the rest of us abide by.

Again dude get it through your head... EVERY SINGLE organisation with the history of the Catholic Church and the numbers of the Catholic Church have members that bring shame to them!

Who questioned your morals or ethics? I'm questioning you painting everyone under the same umbrella!
I'm questioning you and the your like who mock the average parishioner... Massive difference, I've never and will never protect or defend any individual guilty of any crime whether they are Catholic, Orthodox, Islam, Hindu, Socialist's, Communists, Marxists/BLM members, Atheists or anyone else.
 

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Socialists/Communist/Left Wing anti Christians/religion have killed more people in trying to eradicate Religion then any wars combined that had religious traits! Also we are not going back 500-10000 years! Fun and games for atheists.
What can we say brother, the media is feeding people shit and they are buying it. Christianity which is being made to look evil, when the reality is what they're promoting is evil. That as well as political correctness stamping out things such as certain words in Christmas Carols etc... are the real problem.

 

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Again dude get it through your head... EVERY SINGLE organisation with the history of the Catholic Church and the numbers of the Catholic Church have members that bring shame to them!

Who questioned your morals or ethics? I'm questioning you painting everyone under the same umbrella!
I'm questioning you and the your like who mock the average parishioner... Massive difference, I've never and will never protect or defend any individual guilty of any crime whether they are Catholic, Orthodox, Islam, Hindu, Socialist's, Communists, Marxists/BLM members, Atheists or anyone else.
I wouldn't even waste anymore time with him mate, he's thicker than a lead pipe that's been dipped in cement.
 

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Well here's the thing. If our football club was found to have a CEO stealing money the fans of the club would be outraged and call for their sacking. You would assume that those below them in the hierarchy would facilitate that sacking. But for religious people when it's a leader of the church doing something bad there isn't the outrage, there's this foolish insistence that they need to defend the organization.

I'm taking this stance because it pisses me off having done a bit of reading about things like peadophiles being moved around when churches knew that it was happening as well as this example of corruption. I know that an aspect of religion is about forgiveness, but at some point the standard of people they allow to be representatives of their religion is what they are entitled to be judged on. You want people to respect religion, call for better examples from those representing the religion. Pretty fucking simple.
I've done a bit of reading about Santanic rituals whose members are the elite and known pedophiles who are protected!

Sad really...

I agree 100% with the above anyone who knew/facilitated moving priests or turning a blind eye should be held accountable also, not once have I defended anyone in any organisation who does shit like that. It's not just the church this happens in governments, in businesses, In the Islamic world openly, in Free Masonary groups etc...

I'm defending the parishioners who are constantly getting mocked!
 

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Socialists/Communist/Left Wing anti Christians/religion have killed more people in trying to eradicate Religion then any wars combined that had religious traits! Also we are not going back 500-10000 years! Fun and games for atheists.
I respect you right to believe whatever you like,but you can't be so indoctrinated that you actually believe what you have written in the above post surely??
 

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I respect you right to believe whatever you like,but you can't be so indoctrinated that you actually believe what you have written in the above post surely??

Are you serious? The lowest of low numbers are the USSR murdered 20 million people but it's closer to 50 million to install and maintain Communism over the 80 or so years and most of them were Orthodox... The church was the number 1 obstacle and critic!

How many people died in China to install communism and maintain it over the 80 years now it's been in power? 100 million is a low figure again but closer to 150 million!

Let's not forget Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, South America and the Millions more around the world!

Well over 250 million have died for the left wing brainwashed cause and ALL OF THAT IS WITHIN THE LAST CENTURY!

WW2, WW1, American CW, Napoleon wars non of them were religious!

I know what you are going to say... "Ooohhhhh what about 800 years ago during all the crusades"... The world population was barely 250 million combined then and the majority of the world population were not in Europe and Israel at that time!


So in answering your question who is indoctrinated Mr. ABC?
 

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At least Satan's less killy than the big fella.not to sure about this God fella seems to have anger issues
All good mate didn't expect any other comment from a dude who calls himself South of Heaven.
You and the big fella down there suck dick all you like.
 

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All good mate didn't expect any other comment from a dude who calls himself South of Heaven.
You and the big fella down there suck dick all you like.
Why so defensive whos killed more people god or satan? God himself say his a jelous God and judging from the bible there be some anger issues on his behalf.
 
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