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‘Soldiers of God’: The religious rights movement born in a Strathfield office

ByJordan Baker and Perry Duffin
March 24, 2023 — 5.00am


Religious rights group Christian Lives Matter was born in a sterile Strathfield office in 2017, when the marriage equality vote prompted a group of conservative Catholics, many of them from the Maronite church, to unite over fears that children would be corrupted by the “alphabet” [LGBTQ] agenda creeping into the mainstream.
Their resistance would involve prayers, protests and rosary beads. They would be loud, vigilant and outspoken, but not violent; they resolved to “stay united, stay strong, pray and just be aware,” one attendee told the Herald on the condition of anonymity. Six years later, the group has 18,000 Instagram followers, its own merchandise and a growing public profile.


It is part of an expanding religious rights movement in Sydney, which overlaps with anti-vaccination and conspiracy networks. Powered by anger over mainstream attitudes to faith, some activists are becoming militant and are using the language of religious crusade. One faction wears T-shirts branded with a cross and the words “defenders of the faith”. Another calls itself Milites Dei, the Latin term for “soldiers of God”.
Mounting tension boiled over into violence on Tuesday night, when a group of pro-trans protesters were attacked outside St Michael’s church in the south-west suburb of Belfield. The church was hosting a speech by One Nation leader Mark Latham, whose promotion of religious freedom and the view that parents have the right to prevent their children being exposed to “transgender ideology” has drawn support from conservative Christian groups.

Police took the shocked and bruised protesters a few blocks away to catch taxis. As they waited, religious activists drove past, filming themselves shouting out of their car windows, saying, “F--- off back to Newtown … don’t come back to this area, you grubs.” To police, they said; “What will you do if they come for your kids?” The protesters have since been harassed online. One was told he was a “dead man walking”.

Hundreds of people claiming to be protecting Christian beliefs have become violent with a small group of LGBTI protesters outside a church in Sydney's south-west.
Christian Lives Matter founder Charlie Bakhos distanced himself, saying he was praying the rosary at the time and did not know 90 per cent of those involved in the violence. He has also distanced himself online from earlier protests. CLM did, however, organise protests over a joke made by comedian Reuben Kaye about Jesus in late February.
But Christian Sukkar, a Bankstown carpenter who has spoken at rallies involving CLM, was charged over a video he posted of himself the day before, saying protesters should be dragged “by the hair”. Sukkar has posted many videos on his social media pages, urging the faithful to fight and demanding church leaders back them up. “Where are the bishops, where are the leaders?” he told one protest, specifically naming Maronite Bishop Antoine-Charbel Tarabay, as supporters held placards supporting a fight for “what’s right”.
The CLM member who attended the founding meeting, and backed the original members as non-violent and devout – “Maronite Catholics [an Eastern rite church, prominent in Lebanon] are much more staunch” – said fury was mounting, and things were getting messy. “Of late I’ve seen it take a turn,” he said. “There’s so much anger.”


Tarabay and Catholic Bishop Anthony Fisher have both condemned the violence. In a statement, Tarabay said the crisis not only involved ideology, religion and politics, but “the experience of so many who feel their concerns are being repeatedly cast aside or overlooked,” he said. “I acknowledge that the individuals and groups involved feel they are being discriminated against and overlooked, and that their concerns are unheard.”

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Tarabay called on governments to help to find a way forward. “Of importance is what is happening in schools, particularly related to teachings on gender and identity, and what children are being exposed to, without the genuine consultation of parents and guardians, and without regard for their concerns,” he said.
Trans people in western Sydney are worried. Imogen Loxley has been attacked before, and said recent events – including a clash over trans rights in Melbourne, in which black-clad men used the Nazi salute – have renewed her trauma. “It’s still happening and it’s really scary,” she said. “It’s extremely hurtful. Some of the comments and some of the videos I’ve seen make me physically sick. I have always had the heart, mind and soul of a female, since I was two.”

Experts on extremism say religious militants are driven by the same grievances espoused by other far-right movements, such as distrust of institutions and fears that social change – the rights of women, LGBTQ and trans people – is undermining masculinity. They say a shared concern that COVID vaccines were developed using lab-grown cells that were based on aborted foetal cells collected generations ago, brought hardline Christians, Muslims and Evangelicals together during the pandemic.


“They felt [the COVID vaccine] was sacrificing a life, essentially at odds with their world view,” said Associate Professor Josh Roose, an expert in politics, religion and extremism at Deakin University.
Roose said Sydney’s Catholic conservatives are among the most hardline in the Western world and the clash at Belfield should be seen as “Catholocist” violence.

“Religion no longer has the sway it once had, the church doesn’t structure society in a way they’re comfortable with … They feel they’re facing an existential threat,” he said. “It sounds remarkably similar to the guys who wanted to go off and fight a jihad to defend Islam. It takes these guys from their mundane lives and turns them into warriors and heroes, protectors of their faith.”

An anti-fascist researcher, known only as “Sam” to protect their identity, has followed CLM since its early days, when it cheered on the painting over of pro-gay murals, like one of “Saint” George Michael in Newtown. They noticed a shift to anti-vaccination, anti-government sentiment during lockdown, and describes the group as a potentially dangerous one that can organise quickly.
The group’s aims and methods are not singular, Sam said. Members disagree on how forceful they should be, and distance themselves from one another when they do not align. Sukkar told his own followers, in a video posted before the Belfield clash, that if they “want to pray the rosary” they should go do that with CLM leader Charlie Bakhos.

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Latham has condemned the violence outside the church but reiterated his stance that the “leftie alphabet activists … only fear me [of all politicians]. I stand in their way. As we saw at a Sydney suburban church on Tuesday, where these political weirdos provoked a riot. To protect your children and your parental rights, vote 1 for my One Nation team on Saturday at this NSW election.”
Late on Thursday, one of the CLM organisers posted a video, telling followers they needed to get Latham, One Nation and [right-wing former federal MP] Craig Kelly into power. He said he supported a meeting between CLM and the pro-trans protesters attacked on Tuesday night because “violence will get us nowhere … we can’t fight digital currency, we can’t fight one world order and all that crap … keep your focus on the cause we are going for, which is our kids.”


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Imagine someone wrote a article like this in the MSM about the other side, lol at 5am he/she must have been full of hate during the night and early hours.
 
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‘Soldiers of God’: The religious rights movement born in a Strathfield office

ByJordan Baker and Perry Duffin
March 24, 2023 — 5.00am


Religious rights group Christian Lives Matter was born in a sterile Strathfield office in 2017, when the marriage equality vote prompted a group of conservative Catholics, many of them from the Maronite church, to unite over fears that children would be corrupted by the “alphabet” [LGBTQ] agenda creeping into the mainstream.
Their resistance would involve prayers, protests and rosary beads. They would be loud, vigilant and outspoken, but not violent; they resolved to “stay united, stay strong, pray and just be aware,” one attendee told the Herald on the condition of anonymity. Six years later, the group has 18,000 Instagram followers, its own merchandise and a growing public profile.


It is part of an expanding religious rights movement in Sydney, which overlaps with anti-vaccination and conspiracy networks. Powered by anger over mainstream attitudes to faith, some activists are becoming militant and are using the language of religious crusade. One faction wears T-shirts branded with a cross and the words “defenders of the faith”. Another calls itself Milites Dei, the Latin term for “soldiers of God”.
Mounting tension boiled over into violence on Tuesday night, when a group of pro-trans protesters were attacked outside St Michael’s church in the south-west suburb of Belfield. The church was hosting a speech by One Nation leader Mark Latham, whose promotion of religious freedom and the view that parents have the right to prevent their children being exposed to “transgender ideology” has drawn support from conservative Christian groups.

Police took the shocked and bruised protesters a few blocks away to catch taxis. As they waited, religious activists drove past, filming themselves shouting out of their car windows, saying, “F--- off back to Newtown … don’t come back to this area, you grubs.” To police, they said; “What will you do if they come for your kids?” The protesters have since been harassed online. One was told he was a “dead man walking”.

Hundreds of people claiming to be protecting Christian beliefs have become violent with a small group of LGBTI protesters outside a church in Sydney's south-west.
Christian Lives Matter founder Charlie Bakhos distanced himself, saying he was praying the rosary at the time and did not know 90 per cent of those involved in the violence. He has also distanced himself online from earlier protests. CLM did, however, organise protests over a joke made by comedian Reuben Kaye about Jesus in late February.
But Christian Sukkar, a Bankstown carpenter who has spoken at rallies involving CLM, was charged over a video he posted of himself the day before, saying protesters should be dragged “by the hair”. Sukkar has posted many videos on his social media pages, urging the faithful to fight and demanding church leaders back them up. “Where are the bishops, where are the leaders?” he told one protest, specifically naming Maronite Bishop Antoine-Charbel Tarabay, as supporters held placards supporting a fight for “what’s right”.
The CLM member who attended the founding meeting, and backed the original members as non-violent and devout – “Maronite Catholics [an Eastern rite church, prominent in Lebanon] are much more staunch” – said fury was mounting, and things were getting messy. “Of late I’ve seen it take a turn,” he said. “There’s so much anger.”


Tarabay and Catholic Bishop Anthony Fisher have both condemned the violence. In a statement, Tarabay said the crisis not only involved ideology, religion and politics, but “the experience of so many who feel their concerns are being repeatedly cast aside or overlooked,” he said. “I acknowledge that the individuals and groups involved feel they are being discriminated against and overlooked, and that their concerns are unheard.”

Protests
The five words that led to a violent attack on a suburban street
Tarabay called on governments to help to find a way forward. “Of importance is what is happening in schools, particularly related to teachings on gender and identity, and what children are being exposed to, without the genuine consultation of parents and guardians, and without regard for their concerns,” he said.
Trans people in western Sydney are worried. Imogen Loxley has been attacked before, and said recent events – including a clash over trans rights in Melbourne, in which black-clad men used the Nazi salute – have renewed her trauma. “It’s still happening and it’s really scary,” she said. “It’s extremely hurtful. Some of the comments and some of the videos I’ve seen make me physically sick. I have always had the heart, mind and soul of a female, since I was two.”

Experts on extremism say religious militants are driven by the same grievances espoused by other far-right movements, such as distrust of institutions and fears that social change – the rights of women, LGBTQ and trans people – is undermining masculinity. They say a shared concern that COVID vaccines were developed using lab-grown cells that were based on aborted foetal cells collected generations ago, brought hardline Christians, Muslims and Evangelicals together during the pandemic.


“They felt [the COVID vaccine] was sacrificing a life, essentially at odds with their world view,” said Associate Professor Josh Roose, an expert in politics, religion and extremism at Deakin University.
Roose said Sydney’s Catholic conservatives are among the most hardline in the Western world and the clash at Belfield should be seen as “Catholocist” violence.

“Religion no longer has the sway it once had, the church doesn’t structure society in a way they’re comfortable with … They feel they’re facing an existential threat,” he said. “It sounds remarkably similar to the guys who wanted to go off and fight a jihad to defend Islam. It takes these guys from their mundane lives and turns them into warriors and heroes, protectors of their faith.”

An anti-fascist researcher, known only as “Sam” to protect their identity, has followed CLM since its early days, when it cheered on the painting over of pro-gay murals, like one of “Saint” George Michael in Newtown. They noticed a shift to anti-vaccination, anti-government sentiment during lockdown, and describes the group as a potentially dangerous one that can organise quickly.
The group’s aims and methods are not singular, Sam said. Members disagree on how forceful they should be, and distance themselves from one another when they do not align. Sukkar told his own followers, in a video posted before the Belfield clash, that if they “want to pray the rosary” they should go do that with CLM leader Charlie Bakhos.

Protests
‘Time to rise’: Christian activist charged after protest violence

Latham has condemned the violence outside the church but reiterated his stance that the “leftie alphabet activists … only fear me [of all politicians]. I stand in their way. As we saw at a Sydney suburban church on Tuesday, where these political weirdos provoked a riot. To protect your children and your parental rights, vote 1 for my One Nation team on Saturday at this NSW election.”
Late on Thursday, one of the CLM organisers posted a video, telling followers they needed to get Latham, One Nation and [right-wing former federal MP] Craig Kelly into power. He said he supported a meeting between CLM and the pro-trans protesters attacked on Tuesday night because “violence will get us nowhere … we can’t fight digital currency, we can’t fight one world order and all that crap … keep your focus on the cause we are going for, which is our kids.”


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Imagine someone wrote a article like this in the MSM about the other side, lol at 5am he/she must have been full of hate during the night and early hours.
It's pretty bad, for two reasons. Firstly, yes, it's definitely written from a bias point of view. Jordan is a good journalist and editor, but she's also not very supporting of anything right wing.

But secondly, it's bad because they actually provide independent sources that back up what they are saying. BTW, Sukkar actually said that, and worse. This is why I dislike the bloke so much. He has attempted to take over the movement and lead it to violence. He is the one that co-opted the movement into the anti-vaxxing.

As much as I don't get along with Bakhos (for obvious reasons), he's a much more stable influence. If Sukkar gets full control of CLM, it will become a violent hate group.

The one thing I will give Sukkar credit for is that he admitted that he enraged the crowd to violence and he apologised for it.
 

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BTW, they do write articles like this about the other side. That's why there's so much hate and conflict. That's why good Christians think that transgender and gay people are going to corrupt their kids, even thought that concept is 10 levels of ridiculous

 

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It's pretty bad, for two reasons. Firstly, yes, it's definitely written from a bias point of view. Jordan is a good journalist and editor, but she's also not very supporting of anything right wing.

But secondly, it's bad because they actually provide independent sources that back up what they are saying. BTW, Sukkar actually said that, and worse. This is why I dislike the bloke so much. He has attempted to take over the movement and lead it to violence. He is the one that co-opted the movement into the anti-vaxxing.

As much as I don't get along with Bakhos (for obvious reasons), he's a much more stable influence. If Sukkar gets full control of CLM, it will become a violent hate group.

The one thing I will give Sukkar credit for is that he admitted that he enraged the crowd to violence and he apologised for it.
That journalists who got pushed over thanked Sukkar tbf. He one the one pushing away the crowd telling them to "f**k off, leave him alone thats enough"

He also heard screaming at people to not touch the cops.

You look at most of his content. He just thrives off attention. He is a say/act first, think second type of person
 
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What i cannot get my head around is what exactly are these people fighting for? Are they trying to save me? I didn't ask to be saved. Are they trying to save children? Well, you'd think the kids parents are better placed to make that decision that some random from the inner west. Are they trying to save society? Well, last time I looked we are not a secular country and there is a clear separation of state and church.

Like even the CVD theory - as fckd up as it is - what does it have to do with any of these clowns? Assuming its true - then the only people who have a bone to pick are the parents of the foetuses.

I'm sort of sick to death of people ramming ideology down my throat - one way or the other. You want to believe in God or the Prophet - good luck to you. You want to dance around oak trees burning sage - good luck to you too. You want to sacrifice babies to some random deity in the hope that Flanno learns how to play footy - good luck to you (and I reckon you need a lot of luck on that). You want to wear a nighty with a rubber phallus on your forehead - go for it. If I don't like it I'll go somewhere else.

At some point, these idiots need to learn that society is based on democracy. You have as much right to wear womens clothes and mince words as you have to go to Church. And the way to get change is you get someone to turn up as a pollie and see if you can get your idea of society over the line. And if you don't win, suck it up princess, thats democracy. Don't give a fck what most people do as long as its not illegal. And trans rights are not illegal.

So if this offends you because you are religious - cool. What was it - turn the other cheek? To me the erosion of the democratic process in Australia by pollies who push clear religious ideologies (when the separation of church and state is written into the constitution) is much more fckng offensive.

And in case you are not aware - The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

So if u don't like it. Fck off to Uganda.

Rant over - Doogie out.
 

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That journalists who got pushed over thanked Sukkar tbf. He one the one pushing away the crowd telling them to "f**k off, leave him alone thats enough"

He also heard screaming at people to not touch the cops.

You look at most of his content. He just thrives off attention. He is a say/act first, think second type of person
The cameraman? Yeah. He's a well known shock journo. He's up there with Avi
 

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‘Soldiers of God’: The religious rights movement born in a Strathfield office

ByJordan Baker and Perry Duffin
March 24, 2023 — 5.00am


Religious rights group Christian Lives Matter was born in a sterile Strathfield office in 2017, when the marriage equality vote prompted a group of conservative Catholics, many of them from the Maronite church, to unite over fears that children would be corrupted by the “alphabet” [LGBTQ] agenda creeping into the mainstream.
Their resistance would involve prayers, protests and rosary beads. They would be loud, vigilant and outspoken, but not violent; they resolved to “stay united, stay strong, pray and just be aware,” one attendee told the Herald on the condition of anonymity. Six years later, the group has 18,000 Instagram followers, its own merchandise and a growing public profile.


It is part of an expanding religious rights movement in Sydney, which overlaps with anti-vaccination and conspiracy networks. Powered by anger over mainstream attitudes to faith, some activists are becoming militant and are using the language of religious crusade. One faction wears T-shirts branded with a cross and the words “defenders of the faith”. Another calls itself Milites Dei, the Latin term for “soldiers of God”.
Mounting tension boiled over into violence on Tuesday night, when a group of pro-trans protesters were attacked outside St Michael’s church in the south-west suburb of Belfield. The church was hosting a speech by One Nation leader Mark Latham, whose promotion of religious freedom and the view that parents have the right to prevent their children being exposed to “transgender ideology” has drawn support from conservative Christian groups.

Police took the shocked and bruised protesters a few blocks away to catch taxis. As they waited, religious activists drove past, filming themselves shouting out of their car windows, saying, “F--- off back to Newtown … don’t come back to this area, you grubs.” To police, they said; “What will you do if they come for your kids?” The protesters have since been harassed online. One was told he was a “dead man walking”.

Hundreds of people claiming to be protecting Christian beliefs have become violent with a small group of LGBTI protesters outside a church in Sydney's south-west.
Christian Lives Matter founder Charlie Bakhos distanced himself, saying he was praying the rosary at the time and did not know 90 per cent of those involved in the violence. He has also distanced himself online from earlier protests. CLM did, however, organise protests over a joke made by comedian Reuben Kaye about Jesus in late February.
But Christian Sukkar, a Bankstown carpenter who has spoken at rallies involving CLM, was charged over a video he posted of himself the day before, saying protesters should be dragged “by the hair”. Sukkar has posted many videos on his social media pages, urging the faithful to fight and demanding church leaders back them up. “Where are the bishops, where are the leaders?” he told one protest, specifically naming Maronite Bishop Antoine-Charbel Tarabay, as supporters held placards supporting a fight for “what’s right”.
The CLM member who attended the founding meeting, and backed the original members as non-violent and devout – “Maronite Catholics [an Eastern rite church, prominent in Lebanon] are much more staunch” – said fury was mounting, and things were getting messy. “Of late I’ve seen it take a turn,” he said. “There’s so much anger.”


Tarabay and Catholic Bishop Anthony Fisher have both condemned the violence. In a statement, Tarabay said the crisis not only involved ideology, religion and politics, but “the experience of so many who feel their concerns are being repeatedly cast aside or overlooked,” he said. “I acknowledge that the individuals and groups involved feel they are being discriminated against and overlooked, and that their concerns are unheard.”

Protests
The five words that led to a violent attack on a suburban street
Tarabay called on governments to help to find a way forward. “Of importance is what is happening in schools, particularly related to teachings on gender and identity, and what children are being exposed to, without the genuine consultation of parents and guardians, and without regard for their concerns,” he said.
Trans people in western Sydney are worried. Imogen Loxley has been attacked before, and said recent events – including a clash over trans rights in Melbourne, in which black-clad men used the Nazi salute – have renewed her trauma. “It’s still happening and it’s really scary,” she said. “It’s extremely hurtful. Some of the comments and some of the videos I’ve seen make me physically sick. I have always had the heart, mind and soul of a female, since I was two.”

Experts on extremism say religious militants are driven by the same grievances espoused by other far-right movements, such as distrust of institutions and fears that social change – the rights of women, LGBTQ and trans people – is undermining masculinity. They say a shared concern that COVID vaccines were developed using lab-grown cells that were based on aborted foetal cells collected generations ago, brought hardline Christians, Muslims and Evangelicals together during the pandemic.


“They felt [the COVID vaccine] was sacrificing a life, essentially at odds with their world view,” said Associate Professor Josh Roose, an expert in politics, religion and extremism at Deakin University.
Roose said Sydney’s Catholic conservatives are among the most hardline in the Western world and the clash at Belfield should be seen as “Catholocist” violence.

“Religion no longer has the sway it once had, the church doesn’t structure society in a way they’re comfortable with … They feel they’re facing an existential threat,” he said. “It sounds remarkably similar to the guys who wanted to go off and fight a jihad to defend Islam. It takes these guys from their mundane lives and turns them into warriors and heroes, protectors of their faith.”

An anti-fascist researcher, known only as “Sam” to protect their identity, has followed CLM since its early days, when it cheered on the painting over of pro-gay murals, like one of “Saint” George Michael in Newtown. They noticed a shift to anti-vaccination, anti-government sentiment during lockdown, and describes the group as a potentially dangerous one that can organise quickly.
The group’s aims and methods are not singular, Sam said. Members disagree on how forceful they should be, and distance themselves from one another when they do not align. Sukkar told his own followers, in a video posted before the Belfield clash, that if they “want to pray the rosary” they should go do that with CLM leader Charlie Bakhos.

Protests
‘Time to rise’: Christian activist charged after protest violence

Latham has condemned the violence outside the church but reiterated his stance that the “leftie alphabet activists … only fear me [of all politicians]. I stand in their way. As we saw at a Sydney suburban church on Tuesday, where these political weirdos provoked a riot. To protect your children and your parental rights, vote 1 for my One Nation team on Saturday at this NSW election.”
Late on Thursday, one of the CLM organisers posted a video, telling followers they needed to get Latham, One Nation and [right-wing former federal MP] Craig Kelly into power. He said he supported a meeting between CLM and the pro-trans protesters attacked on Tuesday night because “violence will get us nowhere … we can’t fight digital currency, we can’t fight one world order and all that crap … keep your focus on the cause we are going for, which is our kids.”


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Imagine someone wrote a article like this in the MSM about the other side, lol at 5am he/she must have been full of hate during the night and early hours.
Look up her previous articles. Shows you what she is about.
I know and have met many marounites and they would be furious at this. Right wing is a bit rich.

“It sounds remarkably similar to the guys who wanted to go off and fight a jihad to defend Islam. It takes these guys from their mundane lives and turns them into warriors and heroes, protectors of their faith.”
 

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The cameraman? Yeah. He's a well known shock journo. He's up there with Avi
i joined to lurk but ffs chriscoveries has covered 100+ protests and has been attacked by every side lost 3k in camera equipment calling him avi is so dishonest leave chris alone ffs agenda peddlers
 

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i joined to lurk but ffs chriscoveries has covered 100+ protests and has been attacked by every side lost 3k in camera equipment calling him avi is so dishonest leave chris alone ffs agenda peddlers
Dude. You joined using KakkaDog's IP address while KakkaDog was still using it. You didn't join to lurk.
 

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Look up her previous articles. Shows you what she is about.
I know and have met many marounites and they would be furious at this. Right wing is a bit rich.

“It sounds remarkably similar to the guys who wanted to go off and fight a jihad to defend Islam. It takes these guys from their mundane lives and turns them into warriors and heroes, protectors of their faith.”
That dumb **** actually printed that bullshit?
 

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It's pretty bad, for two reasons. Firstly, yes, it's definitely written from a bias point of view. Jordan is a good journalist and editor, but she's also not very supporting of anything right wing.

But secondly, it's bad because they actually provide independent sources that back up what they are saying. BTW, Sukkar actually said that, and worse. This is why I dislike the bloke so much. He has attempted to take over the movement and lead it to violence. He is the one that co-opted the movement into the anti-vaxxing.

As much as I don't get along with Bakhos (for obvious reasons), he's a much more stable influence. If Sukkar gets full control of CLM, it will become a violent hate group.

The one thing I will give Sukkar credit for is that he admitted that he enraged the crowd to violence and he apologised for it.
Is this Sucker another youtube hero?
 
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