Isaiya Katoa signs with Dolphins, Brandy spits the Dummy

[chisdog]

I guess Brandy is right, clubs should get some form of compensation whether it be monetary or cap dispensation for every junior a club produces. I hate that the Roosters can just buy any player on the market.

Yep, but it will never happen because Roosters who have very few juniors won't let it happen.

 

[Baby Blues]

I guess Brandy is right, clubs should get some form of compensation whether it be monetary or cap dispensation for every junior a club produces. I hate that the Roosters can just buy any player on the market.

So let me ask you a question. How do you define what a junior is? Does Mahoney who didn’t grow up in the Canterbury Bankstown area but played a few games for SG Ball count?

 

[flamebouyant]

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View attachment 40724The Penrith Panthers are furious after seeing another one of their prodigious junior talents poached by a rival club, with club icon Greg Alexander the latest to call on the NRL to act.

While nothing has been officially announced, new franchise the Dolphins has pulled off what some are calling their biggest signing yet with the acquisition of teenage sensation Isaiya Katoa.

The emerging halfback has reportedly inked a three-year deal to link up with Wayne Bennett and join the Dolphins for their inaugural season in 2023.

Penrith, who are believed to manage one of the NRL's finest junior talent programs, have been outspoken in the past about rival clubs snatching their developing players without compensation.

Speaking on SEN 1170 on Friday, Alexander, who sits on Penrith's board, admitted Katoa's move to Redcliffe had struck a nerve within the club.

"It's very disappointing when you lose a player that you want to keep and it doesn't happen often that you really want to keep a junior and he goes somewhere else," Alexander said.

"But that's what's happened. Now it has caused some problems within the club and I can understand how everyone feels when you develop juniors and they get poached.

"I'm pretty sure there's a nominal fee by the club that takes him, whether it's the QRL or Dolphins that will pay that fee, but it's a small fee so you're not getting compensated for the money you invest in your player."

Alexander's comments follow those of Panthers CEO Bryan Fletcher, who told The Daily Telegraph something needed to be done to incentivise clubs like the Panthers who devote significant resources to junior development.

“There has to be protection or compensation,” Fletcher said “It’s a waste of time developing them. For us and other developing clubs (rival teams) can just sit there and pluck them out.

“It’s frustrating but that’s the rules at the moment.”

With NSW Origin pairing Nathan Cleary (24) and Jarome Luai (25) locked in as Penrith's halves and potentially set to be Panthers for life, Katoa would have faced a challenging path to the NRL at the foot of the mountains.

Alexander understands the decision to move to the Dolphins was in Katoa's best interests as he looks to become a starting NRL halfback but believes a change to the current system is desperately needed.

"You can't keep all of them," he said.

"I can understand the business side of it.

"There is a lot of movement within junior clubs but I guess when you lose one that you don't want to lose it hurts.

"The league should be compensating clubs for developing juniors."

Katoa is currently playing for Penrith's under-19 SG Ball side this season, scoring two tries and kicking eight goals in the opening two games.

The brother of former Bulldogs hooker Sione Katoa, he also had a future in rugby union after representing NSW in the 15-man code while attending Barker College before sticking with league.

Fuck you brandy, and fuck you penrif!! The NRLol gives every single club 10 million dollars every single year. The NRLol can only survive and continue to grow when talent is spread evenly, not when stockpiled at one club, regardless of how much time or money they put into their juniors. In any case, where does his future lie when yoy already have the games best HB??
So eat a fucking dick, and go and cry quietly.

 

[Moedogg]

So let me ask you a question. How do you define what a junior is? Does Mahoney who didn’t grow up in the Canterbury Bankstown area but played a few games for SG Ball count?

Yes.

 

[The DoggFather]

So let me ask you a question. How do you define what a junior is? Does Mahoney who didn’t grow up in the Canterbury Bankstown area but played a few games for SG Ball count?

My boy is at Wenty now but say he plays later in the Canterbury comp. Is he technically a Parra jnr?

 

[Baby Blues]

Yes.

But the question is compensation. In that situation we have identified Mahoney was a talent but we couldn’t really claim to have developed him?

My boy is at Wenty now but say he plays later in the Canterbury comp. Is he technically a Parra jnr?

That’s the question I’m asking. I think we all define juniors quite loosely. It took 2 decades for them to clearly define State of Origin eligibility. I guess they could use those rules in that situation

 

[CroydonDog]

I thought Brandys comments were quite measured. Hardly a dummy spit.

 

[Psycho Doggie]

I thought Brandys comments were quite measured. Hardly a dummy spit.

Realistically we want Dogs board members to be making these sorts of comments, because it will mean our juniors system is going gang busters. There needs to be continual efforts to find ways to reward clubs that put in time and money during the key development period of young players.

 

[dekepefc]

They just won the fucking comp

 

[David holland]

Penriths biggest signing was resigning Ivan, Nathan was headed to the tigers otherwise, this kid wasn't going to play second fiddle

 

[TABOO]

Well of course. It would negatively affect the roosters and the storm so the nrl won't do it. Simples.

 

[bradyk]

He's a halfback and you have Cleary and Luai. There's no future at Penrith for this kid in the halves. Clubs probably should get some development bonuses included in the salary cap to help them retain players (also long serving players) but it also can't be anything extreme (bottom clubs need a way to recruit talent). Because of the first point it wouldn't of mattered in this case anyways.

 

[gbrussell]

They didn't have a problem winning the comp with a stack of local juniors last year?

Hes right - there needs to be some compensation for the higher developing clubs, but they are coming across as sooks.

Your‘re correct, he is coming across as a sook. But clubs who develop their own players get more respect from me, than clubs who do nothing with juniors but poach from everywhere else. It‘s a dog eat dog game these days, and club officials have to be on the ball 24/7, when contract renewals and cap management come into play.

it will be interesting to see what the new transfer system Abdo spoke about the other day on the Fox Sports web site will look like.

 

[gbrussell]

I have thought for a long while that clubs who have a player in their junior system should have a portion of their wage cap free. It'd be ample reward for developing players if you had a decent edge under the cap to retain them or if you could offer more to bring them back to your club if their pathway was blocked when they were NRL ready.

It's hard not to think the current system rewards cap cheating clubs who don't bother spending much to ensure the competition has a high standard of talent overall.

You‘re comments are spot on Alan.

 

[gbrussell]

My boy is at Wenty now but say he plays later in the Canterbury comp. Is he technically a Parra jnr?

More than likely.

 

[gbrussell]

But the question is compensation. In that situation we have identified Mahoney was a talent but we couldn’t really claim to have developed him?


That’s the question I’m asking. I think we all define juniors quite loosely. It took 2 decades for them to clearly define State of Origin eligibility. I guess they could use those rules in that situation

When clubs were allowed 13 imports only back in the 1980’s, the rest of the roster had to be made up with “local products”. Essentially players who had played junior league in the area tied to the senior club. In that era we had a great talent spotting network, setup by the Bullfrog, and country kids were brought into our juniors, and then into SG Ball and Jersey Flagg, before playing grade. The Harold Matthews comp came along a little bit later.

As for SOO eligibility it was a joke for a long time, particularly with QLD, who had players from PNG, NZ, Macksville, Minto, and the son of a Cronulla legend all in their side At some point.

 

[Natboy]

Is the poor bloke meant to rot in reserve grade behind The Chin & Michael Jackson?
Penrith should have to share some of their junior area as Sydney has expanded like other clubs have had to in the past

 

[Chris Harding]

Oh boo hoo Brandy.

1. I'm sure you guys aren't going to be letting go of Nathan Cleary soon
2. The Panthers are the Premiers, naturally other clubs are going to be targetting players from a successful team

Yep. Look at us. We stole Napa and Flanagan from the Roosters and Lichaa from the Sharks.

 

[Chris Harding]

When clubs were allowed 13 imports only back in the 1980’s, the rest of the roster had to be made up with “local products”. Essentially players who had played junior league in the area tied to the senior club. In that era we had a great talent spotting network, setup by the Bullfrog, and country kids were brought into our juniors, and then into SG Ball and Jersey Flagg, before playing grade. The Harold Matthews comp came along a little bit later.

As for SOO eligibility it was a joke for a long time, particularly with QLD, who had players from PNG, NZ, Macksville, Minto, and the son of a Cronulla legend all in their side At some point.

 

[hayes]

What about when Penrith named 60 kids in their junior squads so they can't go to another district and play reps without having to pay $5000 release.