Electric vs petrol cars

[Blue_boost]

Another inferno caused by an EV… the EV tree huggers will claim in their stats one EV fire and 200 petrol cars burnt… even though the EV started the fire and it spread to all other cars surrounding it..

 

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EV's will probably be more practical in another 40 years when most of us here are dead and gone?

 

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There was a study where it’s shown that 10 year+ old cars are more susceptible to a fire, most likely arson…

imagine an EV when they hit 10 years old, there will be infernos everywhere

 

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There was a study where it’s shown that 10 year+ old cars are more susceptible to a fire, most likely arson…

imagine an EV when they hit 10 years old, there will be infernos everywhere

EV's are rubbish, I never bought the hype!

 

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EV's are rubbish, I never bought the hype!

They are fools gold

 

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https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/big-fire-breaks-out-at-electric-vehicle-factory/news-story/4f857d06cea265beae1d7b64d7a66af5

Another EV fire strikes

 

[Dognacious]

Evs are decades off being safe from batteries that catch fire, being cheaper to run than petrol car or being better for the environment considering where there electricity comes from.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Evs are decades off being safe from batteries that catch fire, being cheaper to run than petrol car or being better for the environment considering where there electricity comes from.

They're already better for the environment due to parts of the grid being renewable, and coal fire power stations being much more efficient than petrol engines. But they need some work on the fire issue. Fires are still extremely rare compared to normal combustion engines, but when they do ignite they're not easy to put out.

 

[Dognacious]

They're already better for the environment due to parts of the grid being renewable, and coal fire power stations being much more efficient than petrol engines. But they need some work on the fire issue. Fires are still extremely rare compared to normal combustion engines, but when they do ignite they're not easy to put out.

Think biggest concern with fires with evs is the car can catch fire spontaneously when u arent around it or using it, most likely when charging it, where combustion engines are much more likely to catch fire when running. And we do have fk all renewable electricity in this country, still predominantly coal powered. But ev is a lot better than it used to be, especially battery life. It will get better, just isnt there yet. Eventually all cars will be ev, but probably not in my lifetime

 

[TwinTurbo]

They're already better for the environment due to parts of the grid being renewable, and coal fire power stations being much more efficient than petrol engines. But they need some work on the fire issue. Fires are still extremely rare compared to normal combustion engines, but when they do ignite they're not easy to put out.

I have seen a couple demos with professional fire fighters trying to put out an E-Bike fire with multiple types of fire extinguishers, water, high pressure hoses etc and the end result was they just moved it into an open space and let it burn out.


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[TwinTurbo]

Think biggest concern with fires with evs is the car can catch fire spontaneously when u arent around it or using it, most likely when charging it, where combustion engines are much more likely to catch fire when running. And we do have fk all renewable electricity in this country, still predominantly coal powered. But ev is a lot better than it used to be, especially battery life. It will get better, just isnt there yet. Eventually all cars will be ev, but probably not in my lifetime

The first problem is the extremely poor electrical energy capacity versus weight of battery. Compared to petroleum products energy capacity versus weight it's atrocious and not really getting much, if any, better. Vehicle manufacturers are adding EV range at much the same rate as they add battery weight.

The second problem is recharging that energy, there is no escaping the science, it takes ~20 times as long to recharge, for the same kilometers travelled, as it does to refuel. So called fast charger or even super fast chargers will only charge at the rate that the vehicle can accept. Last weekend I had an EV that was supposed to be able to recharge at 200kWh. On a 350kWh charger with 10% charge it started off at 180kWh and dropped slowly down to 50kWh as it approached 80% charge.

These are the same 2 reasons why EV's failed 100 years ago, were made extinct by ICEV's, and those reason still exist today.


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[MattyB]

EV's charge faster wen empty, from 10% to 80%, some take only 18 minutes, it's to reduce stress on the battery

 

[TwinTurbo]

EV's charge faster wen empty, from 10% to 80%, some take only 18 minutes, it's to reduce stress on the battery

I have been driving EV's since 2012 and I have never charged any of them from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes.

Sure there is the theory that some could but in the real world it just doesn't happen. There are so many factors;
It's a hot day and the charge rate is slower
It's cold day and the charge rate is slower
There is a que at the superfast charger
The superfast charger is not working (Tesla chargers are pretty well maintained but the others, not so much)
There is more than 1 x EV charging so the charge rate is slower (the local electricity grid can't handle the load)
There are no fast chargers anywhere near where I need to recharge (range anxiety is real)
I am towing something. or have the family on board with a load and as a result the EV battery is already hot so it won't take a fast rate charge
I have to remove the trailer before I can get the car to the charger and then re-hitch it when I am ready to leave (that takes time)
The local council parked their garbage trucks in the EV charging station overnight (it happened)
Don't try to access a fast charger on the Sunday afternoon of a long weekend, or the last day of school holidays (it won't be 18 minutes, more like 18 hours)

Real world experience beats theory every time.

FWIW, LFP EV batteries should be charged to 100%, NCA or NMC batteries are the ones that 80% is more the recommended.


Team First

 

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So our roads will become
Littered with garbage cars

 

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On the office today I made a smart remark to a bloke, said have you hit 300,000km yet in your car.. he says hey im Only at half way but that’s the aim.. then I said if someone tests to go 300,000km in an EV they would have roasted themselves to death with the battery exploding.

What is the highest mileage EV out there?

 

[TwinTurbo]

On the office today I made a smart remark to a bloke, said have you hit 300,000km yet in your car.. he says hey im Only at half way but that’s the aim.. then I said if someone tests to go 300,000km in an EV they would have roasted themselves to death with the battery exploding.

What is the highest mileage EV out there?

Heaps over 500,000 k's and quite few over 750,000 k's. I haven't seen any at 1m k's yet, there are probably some I just haven't seen them reported.


Team First

 

[MattyB]

On the office today I made a smart remark to a bloke, said have you hit 300,000km yet in your car.. he says hey im Only at half way but that’s the aim.. then I said if someone tests to go 300,000km in an EV they would have roasted themselves to death with the battery exploding.

What is the highest mileage EV out there?

guy in the UK has done 440,000 Miles

 

[Blue_boost]

I was driving alongside a large petrol truck today.. a little queasy thinking imagine if that explodes.. but then I thought it would cause less damage than an EV if I was travelling alongside

the optics of a large fuel truck seemed dangerous but it’s funny how an EV would be much worse

 

[Trinfly]

Insurance is what will kill the EV a fire last week in China took out 5 other cars in a basement. Now the building wont allow EV to park in bment how do they charge the car

 

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you just can’t defend an EV.. a big flop