Electric vs petrol cars

[Hacky McAxe]

hacky you are a smart articulate person.. putting this debate aside, do you honestly believe that EV is a more viable option than a petrol car all things considered?

Depends on your situation. For someone like me... No. For others, maybe, depending on their situation.

 

[Blue_boost]

Depends on your situation. For someone like me... No. For others, maybe, depending on their situation.

what situation? Your a no, I’m a no?

people who travel long distance? No
People who live in a unit ? No
People who can’t afford high upfront cost? No
People who don’t have ridiculous solar
Panels all over their roof? No
People that need to tow a boat/caravan? No
Motoring enthusiasts? No
People that live in very cold or hot climates? No
Maybe tree huggers / climate change delusionists??

 

[mydogisbear]

What about all the unproven ridiculous brands entering Australia? Xpemg, zeekr, leapmotors and smart? Where do you find parts from in a few years? Do these car manufacturers expect you to throw them away in the bin after 3 years ownership? No one will buy those shit cars 2nd hand..

Yep,don't want to be the first buyer of those cars no matter how cheap. Maybe if it lasts 5 years and has good after sales service.

 

[TwinTurbo]

what situation? Your a no, I’m a no?

people who travel long distance? No
People who live in a unit ? No
People who can’t afford high upfront cost? No
People who don’t have ridiculous solar
Panels all over their roof? No
People that need to tow a boat/caravan? No
Motoring enthusiasts? No
People that live in very cold or hot climates? No
Maybe tree huggers / climate change delusionists??

An EV would be good for my wife's next car.

Low k's travelled every day, mostly local, school, shops etc.

The likely EV's would cost around the same as my wife's current car.

Charge during the day for (next to) free from a solar system that we already have, didn't buy for charging an EV and has pretty much already paid for itself with savings on electricity bills. Giving up the FIT would cost us around $4.56 a week, that's cheap running costs.

Last 5 years easily then buy a new car, same as we do with ICEV's. Still have 5 years warranty, so retain decent resale value.

Definitely not a tree hugger or a climate change delusionist,.

EV's suite some people but obviously wouldn't suite my usage patterns, long distances, towing, etc or my love of twin turbos.


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[TwinTurbo]

Territorians do have a sense of humour.

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[TwinTurbo]

Ampol winds back plans to roll out electric car chargers due to "congested grid", as profit takes a knock

Just a few weeks ago the fuel company was announcing plans to open up 300 charging bays by year's end at its sites nationwide.

www.drive.com.au

Ampol winds back plans to roll out electric car chargers due to “congested grid”, as profit takes a knock

Just a few weeks ago the fuel company was announcing plans to open up 300 charging bays by year's end.

Fuel station giant Ampol is dialling back plans to have rolled out 300 electric vehicle (EV) charging bays by the end of this year, citing problems connecting to the grid. Ampol CEO Matt Halliday said the retailer would fall short on its plans to expand the number of EV charging bays from 92 to 300 by the end of this year. The company blamed difficulties obtaining access to power lines in a congested grid which is already struggling to cope with an influx of renewable energy generation, reports the Australian Financial


At the same time, Ampol slashed its interim dividend by more than a third to 60c a share as it reported its net profit for the first half of the year fell by 29 per cent to $233.7 million. The walk-back comes just a couple of weeks after Ampol, which operates 1800 service stations around the country, announced plans to install more than 200 extra fast chargers after receiving a $100 million grant from the Federal Government.

Currently Ampol has 92 charging bays at 41 sites, up from 82 at the start of 2024. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, Halliday claims an additional 36 bays are awaiting power.

According to data provided by the office of Chris Bowen, Minister for Climate Change and Energy, the number of EV chargers in Australia has almost doubled in less than 18 months to approximately 900 as of March this year.

At the end of July, Ampol confirmed it had also entered into a memorandum of understanding with Graincorp to explore the feasibility of a deal on supplying renewable fuels in Australia. It follows an announcement by the fuel firm last year that it would begin trialling a 20 per cent biodiesel blend by supplying it to the truck fleet of Australian building and construction firm Hanson.


Why am I not surprised on either front, there is no economics in fast EV charging stations, they will need never ending government subsidies to survive. Plus the electricity grid in remote place where rechargers are most needed can not support their load.


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[Blue_boost]

An EV would be good for my wife's next car.


The likely EV's would cost around the same as my wife's current car..


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hi so the wife is happy to downgrade her car? A car that is like for like petrol v EV, we all know the EV version of the same car will be much more expensive to buy…

If you spend the same then buying an EV would be a lesser car

 

[TwinTurbo]

hi so the wife is happy to downgrade her car? A car that is like for like petrol v EV, we all know the EV version of the same car will be much more expensive to buy…

If you spend the same then buying an EV would be a lesser car

The most likely choice is definitely no downgrade, same manufacturer, pretty much the same spec, drives the same, just has electric motors instead of a ICE. Cost difference, after incentives, is minimal to the equivalent ICEV.


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[Blue_boost]

The most likely choice is definitely no downgrade, same manufacturer, pretty much the same spec, drives the same, just has electric motors instead of a ICE. Cost difference, after incentives, is minimal to the equivalent ICEV.


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I actually believe you.. I’m sure you have done your homework so interesting to hear

 

[TwinTurbo]

I actually believe you.. I’m sure you have done your homework so interesting to hear

Some manufacturers are jacking up the prices of their ICEVs to the same as the EV’s they are being forced to make by various government measures, incentives and penalties. Also it helps cover the enormous cost if developing EV’s.

Lose lose for us.

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[SexBomb]

One thing that I've pondered, is the limited backyard innovation on EV's, compared to yesteryear's ICE innovation via motorsports privateer backyard teams and competitors.
Mind, motorsports has seen a reduction in the ability for backyard and privateer teams to run competitively, let alone consistently win at the top levels.
LP's win with an Aussie V8 over the factory team, and privateer teams supplied with factory USA LS's, was one of the last great wins in top motorsports in Australia IMo.

 

[Dogmonster]

Don't do what the Government wants, they want you to be brainless sheep and buy EV's.
Be a rebel, grow a pair fck em.

 

[Blue_boost]

one thing that EV buyers and petrol buyers have in common is how dealers ripped them Off through Covid.. they didn’t budge a dollar, hit us with high interest rates and even sold older models or did colours for top price..suddenly all the prices jumped up too..

Now that supply has normalised and yards are banking up, we gotta go in and slap around the salesmen, make them beg.. kiss our feet, like the old days.. really give them a haircut

 

[SexBomb]

one thing that EV buyers and petrol buyers have in common is how dealers ripped them Off through Covid.. they didn’t budge a dollar, hit us with high interest rates and even sold older models or did colours for top price..suddenly all the prices jumped up too..

Now that supply has normalised and yards are banking up, we gotta go in and slap around the salesmen, make them beg.. kiss our feet, like the old days.. really give them a haircut

The likes of Honda/Mercedes can choke on a big one too, with their fixed price model.

 

[MattyB]

The likes of Honda/Mercedes can choke on a big one too, with their fixed price model.

Honda is a funny one, when they announced thier fixed pricing model, they said they would still sell loads.

Earlier this year a guy i watch on YouTube reported, there yearly sales for 2024 was less than there worst month in 2023, that's really bad

 

[Blue_boost]

Honda is a funny one, when they announced thier fixed pricing model, they said they would still sell loads.

Earlier this year a guy i watch on YouTube reported, there yearly sales for 2024 was less than there worst month in 2023, that's really bad

very ridiculous the online buying model.. every buyer needs a sweetener to tag a deal.. even the feeling of walking in and strangling the salesman until they drop their price or throw in some extras… to feel like you got a better deal than Joe average.. they need that sweetener to get them across the line, otherwise what is the rush if it’s the same price online every day..

I bought a car on the back end of Covid and managed a decent deal despite the supply issue.. it was a cancelled order as they took too long to come in… yards started feeling the pinch of cancelled orders and banked up some inventory..

 

[TwinTurbo]

Honda is a funny one, when they announced thier fixed pricing model, they said they would still sell loads.

Earlier this year a guy i watch on YouTube reported, there yearly sales for 2024 was less than there worst month in 2023, that's really bad

very ridiculous the online buying model.. every buyer needs a sweetener to tag a deal.. even the feeling of walking in and strangling the salesman until they drop their price or throw in some extras… to feel like you got a better deal than Joe average.. they need that sweetener to get them across the line, otherwise what is the rush if it’s the same price online every day..

I bought a car on the back end of Covid and managed a decent deal despite the supply issue.. it was a cancelled order as they took too long to come in… yards started feeling the pinch of cancelled orders and banked up some inventory..

When I am buying a new car I mostly bargain on things like free servicing, extended factory warranty, free loan car, extras, options and the big one that trade in price. The actually price of the new car is not such a big deal, dealers operate on pretty small margins on new car sales so there's not much wiggle room, they make most money on servicing, so free servicing is good get for me.


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[Blue_boost]

When I am buying a new car I mostly bargain on things like free servicing, extended factory warranty, free loan car, extras, options and the big one that trade in price. The actually price of the new car is not such a big deal, dealers operate on pretty small margins on new car sales so there's not much wiggle room, they make most money on servicing, so free servicing is good get for me.


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some fleet companies get a good discount on new cars.. Subaru 5% off the list price is pretty good

 

[TwinTurbo]

some fleet companies get a good discount on new cars.. Subaru 5% off the list price is pretty good

All manufacturers that offer fleet prices pay it to the dealers, the amount varies, but it costs the dealer nothing.


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[Blue_boost]

All manufacturers that offer fleet prices pay it to the dealers, the amount varies, but it costs the dealer nothing.


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I used fleet pricing to negotiate with the dealer, they matched it and I didn’t use the fleet company so the dealer copped it on the chin. Took them for 5%

a family member of mine runs a large dealership that sells EV.. he said huge markups on them.. they make $8000-$9000 per car (on a $60k EV) But petrol cars is much lower margin