Covid-19 related debates (argue in this thread only)

[Rodzilla]

Only the officials are allowed to be wrong and change their story, 80% required for herd immunity then herd immunity is abandoned but the 70/80% targets are kept, Biden saying he won’t take the vaccine and then mandating that everyone else takes it, masks don’t work and then you must wear a mask, lockdowns for west Sydney but no concern about Bondi beach crowds because outside is the safest place to be, saying they won’t force people to take vaccine but rodzilla was forced to take the vaccine

 

[Rodzilla]

The vaccine definition is also changed, herd immunity definition changed

 

[The DoggFather]

The vaccine definition is also changed, herd immunity definition changed

IF true, than that's straight out moving the goal posts.

 

[The DoggFather]

One theory I was right about was saying that the lockdowns will make masks and acceptable requirement using my petrol prices analogy. Nobody is whinging about masks anymore.

You want to set something different as the norm, you bring in Some thing worse, then go back to your original plan to make it seem a better option.

People are very easy to manipulate tbh.

 

[COVENS]

Opinion, sure.
Expertise, not necessarily.
Just because you’re a ‘doctor’ doesn’t mean you’re right. These people do not have an ‘opinion’.

Dishonest? How so? Because I’m calling out their lies?

Go ahead and provide examples (with evidence) of ‘other institutes’ who’ve been caught lying and if credible yes, I’ll call them out too.

You're conflating a few things here.

Reducing Weinstein to a "podcaster" is dishonest, he's not Joe Rogan - first and foremost he's Biologist. With that in mind he's not a layman, he's apparently read a lot of the literature and assumedly understands how to unpack it.

You weren't talking about lying in your post, you said "statements that proved to be false," in regards to that argument, the WHO and CDC both said it wasn't an airborne virus, that has now been recanted.

newsGP - ‘A welcome step’: WHO acknowledges aerosol spread of COVID-19

But experts say the Australian Government’s infection control group must now update its advice to ensure new strategies to reduce transmission risks.

www1.racgp.org.au

www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/05/04/who-coronavirus-airborne/amp/

 

[Rodzilla]

IF true, than that's straight out moving the goal posts.

the who changed its definition of herd immunity to only when enough people have been vaccinated, excluding people with natural immunity from already getting covid, cdc changed its definition of vaccine removing parts about it protecting people and saying it is just something that boosts the immune system

that’s why I said that orange juice can be the vaccine, if someone asks for proof of vaccination just drink a cup or eat a kiwi fruit maybe

 

[COVENS]

Kory's credibility shouldn't be dismissed haphazardly. He is an experienced critical care doctor. But he also runs the FLCCC which is considered to be a bit of a scam, and have had their credibility shattered after they attempted to publish their own research which was found to be greatly flawed.

Kory went on to make outlandish conspiracy claims, suggesting that the research was rejected because the pharmaceutical companies don't want you to know the truth, even though the flaws in his research were clear.

Since then he has started going way down the conspiracy rabbit hole to the point that I think he may actually be Rodzilla

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Yeah, plus his usage of corticosteroid as a treatment (which I believe had a similar backlash to Ivermectin is now?) which is now standard practice to severe cases and his speciality as a Lung specialist.

What's the scam with FLCCC? Haven't read about that.

 

[DinkumDog]

You're conflating a few things here.

Reducing Weinstein to a "podcaster" is dishonest, he's not Joe Rogan - first and foremost he's Biologist. With that in mind he's not a layman, he's apparently read a lot of the literature and assumedly understands how to unpack it.

You weren't talking about lying in your post, you said "statements that proved to be false," in regards to that argument, the WHO and CDC both said it wasn't an airborne virus, that has now been recanted.

newsGP - ‘A welcome step’: WHO acknowledges aerosol spread of COVID-19

But experts say the Australian Government’s infection control group must now update its advice to ensure new strategies to reduce transmission risks.

www1.racgp.org.au

www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/05/04/who-coronavirus-airborne/amp/

Not conflating. Yes I first referred to him as a podcaster that’s true but I also explained that I don’t see how being a biologist makes you a specialist in viruses and it seems he’s using the podcast platform to amplify his beliefs around Ivermectin than anything else.

Kory is much more qualified as a MD, but he’s gone off the deep end into conspiracy land and his comments about his own Covid infection and the relationship to Ivermectin seriously undermine his credibility.

re: WHO/CDC - did they lie or spin re: airborne transmission of Covid? I haven't seen evidence of that, but more that it was a step along the path of understanding the specifics of this disease and how and whether it differed from other respiratory diseases including SARS, MERS and traditional flu.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Yeah, plus his usage of corticosteroid as a treatment (which I believe had a similar backlash to Ivermectin is now?) which is now standard practice to severe cases and his speciality as a Lung specialist.

What's the scam with FLCCC? Haven't read about that.

Corticosteroids are used in many places but they're still not sure if it has any effects, so I guess it's similar to Ivermectin. But it's used because there isn't any potential downside and there's not a limited supply.

The scam thing is pushed by many in regard to FLCCC. I personally don't think it is a scam. I think it's just doctors pushing stuff that they beleive works without research to back up their stance. Except that they used flawed research and complained when it didn't pass peer review. Which is dodgy. And the fact that one of the Doctors left the organisation stating that it had become an anti-vax group.

 

[DinkumDog]

What's the scam with FLCCC? Haven't read about that.

Kory is the FLCCC President. Several dubious claims, testified to the US Senate:

- Ivermectin, used with other medicines eg: vitamin C, Zinc and Melatonin, could 'save hundreds of thousands of people'.
- Cited more than 20 studies for the above - which were low quality studies or meta-analyses.

What meta-analysis means in simple English is a 'review of multiple studies to pool and determine an outcome'. Often highly biased or lacking enough data to determine a true outcome.

Brett Weinstein then tried to spin the argument that 'large controlled trials are not necessary' - when science almost always says the opposite - and hence the 'GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out)' response from the scientific community.

So the CT's, Ivermectin proponents etc are willing to call out 'vested interests' of Pharma, Government etc ie: 'suppression' which it seems they are guilty of the very same thing:

Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine, take 4: Bret Weinstein misrepresents meta-analyses

[Editor's note: Dr. Gorski is on vacation this week (for the first time since the pandemic started, he's actually heading to the lake for a few days). Fortunately, we have a guest post by William F. P

sciencebasedmedicine.org

Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine, take 5: The Nobel Prize gambit

Ivermectin continues to be the new hydroxychloroquine, an unproven repurposed drug promoted to treat COVID-19. Now the advocates are pointing to the history of the drug's developers being awarded the

sciencebasedmedicine.org

 

[COVENS]

I'm going to bail on this (at least for the moment). The truth is I'm fairly agnostic about it all and a lot of the fundamental stuff, like understanding studies goes above my intellectual pay grade.
I also don't like that I've found myself defending things I'm non committal on and people and subjects I'm not thoroughly researched on.

 

[DinkumDog]

I'm going to bail on this (at least for the moment). The truth is I'm fairly agnostic about it all and a lot of the fundamental stuff, like understanding studies goes above my intellectual pay grade.
I also don't like that I've found myself defending things I'm non committal on and people and subjects I'm not thoroughly researched on.

All good mate and no hard feelings.
No doubt there are always angles and money makes the world go around. I don’t completely exonerate any ‘side’ - but usually Occam’s Razor applies - the simplest explanation is usually the correct one and things need not be unnecessarily complicated.

Covid has sucked for pretty much everyone except maybe divorce lawyers and psychologists. Hopefully we are at the tail end of the worst of it and can look forward to a happier and more ‘normal’ 2022.
Wait - did I just describe the Bulldogs?? .

 

[Hacky McAxe]

All good mate and no hard feelings.
No doubt there are always angles and money makes the world go around. I don’t completely exonerate any ‘side’ - but usually Occam’s Razor applies - the simplest explanation is usually the correct one and things need not be unnecessarily complicated.

Covid has sucked for pretty much everyone except maybe divorce lawyers and psychologists. Hopefully we are at the tail end of the worst of it and can look forward to a happier and more ‘normal’ 2022.
Wait - did I just describe the Bulldogs?? .

#5yearplan #sackgladys

 

[Mr 95%]

 

[Mr 95%]

 

[Rodzilla]

A daily pill to treat COVID could be just months away, scientists say | PBS NewsHour

here is the story for the drug that merck wants to promote because they will have the exclusive rights to the drug, you should immediately notice the different tone in the article compared to ivermectin despite the only evidence so far is that this lady felt better after taking it

i personally guarantee this will get approved easily, maybe a little fake drama to appease the people looking for comparisons to ivermectin, but it won't help prevent covid at all and the covid lives on

 

[Rodzilla]

they apparently have 4,200 signatures from doctors and scientists for the rome declaration against the vaccine rollout policy including the statement that it could be a crime against humanity

Global Covid Summit (doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org)

so not all the experts are onside as the idiot hacky mcaxe wants to portray, put this down as another thing he got wrong

 

[DinkumDog]

they apparently have 4,200 signatures from doctors and scientists for the rome declaration against the vaccine rollout policy including the statement that it could be a crime against humanity

I guess that's the same as the 3338 Architects and Engineers who are members of the A&E9/11 'Truth' movement (ie: conspiracy) who've signed a declaration that the WTC (in particular WTC7) was a controlled demolition. What did it change? Hint: NOTHING .

 

[coach]

they apparently have 4,200 signatures from doctors and scientists for the rome declaration against the vaccine rollout policy including the statement that it could be a crime against humanity

Global Covid Summit (doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org)

so not all the experts are onside as the idiot hacky mcaxe wants to portray, put this down as another thing he got wrong

4,200, what’s that 0.02% of the worlds doctors and scientists ….

 

[Hacky McAxe]

I guess that's the same as the 3338 Architects and Engineers who are members of the A&E9/11 'Truth' movement (ie: conspiracy) who've signed a declaration that the WTC (in particular WTC7) was a controlled demolition. What did it change? Hint: NOTHING .

Is he talking about that signed declaration in Rome?

Saw that thing going around yesterday. Looked into it and had a laugh. It's signed by the usual hacks (most of the FLCCC) and people who couldn't get their stuff peer reviewed. But they only show a few signatures and hide the rest.

A quick look through the co-signees shoes that most of them are anti-vax. The first one even uses the desert review as a source.

And this is the best part of it all.... Anyone can sign it. I did my part!