Coronavirus.

[south of heaven]

Over 400,000 daily cases deaths are picking up and the other side of the world is going into winter, thank fuck we are stuck on this little island

 

[Flanagun]

Amazing. We both shares our thoughts, both considered the other side and both reached general agreement.

All with no insults.

where is captain and utility and the other mouth breathers.

Careful @Hacky McAxe .... if you keep agreeing with this witless wonder, you’ll end up with an invitation to his birthday party.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Careful @Hacky McAxe .... if you keep agreeing with this witless wonder, you’ll end up with an invitation to his birthday party.

I would bring a piñata that he would like but I don't have a black man and I'm not very good at tying nooses.

 

[Dawgfather]

Here is the UK as an example of the fairly obvious point that COVID is causing far less death than initially.

The number of new cases now in the UK is WAY higher than the first wave.

Yet the number of deaths now in the UK is WAY lower than the first wave.

The obvious question is why.

Could be better drugs in hospital
Could be better nursing and health care generally
Could be quicker diagnosis of cases through testing and therefore faster hospitalisation of patients

Either way - COVID doesn't present the risk to society which many claimed it did just a few months ago.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Here is the UK as an example of the fairly obvious point that COVID is causing far less death than initially.

The number of new cases now in the UK is WAY higher than the first wave.

Yet the number of deaths now in the UK is WAY lower than the first wave.

The obvious question is why.

Could be better drugs in hospital
Could be better nursing and health care generally
Could be quicker diagnosis of cases through testing and therefore faster hospitalisation of patients

Either way - COVID doesn't present the risk to society which many claimed it did just a few months ago.

I would say that it's probably more efficient testing but it's too early to tell. Death lag is around 3-4 weeks which means you're not going to see the deaths for another 2 weeks. The reason they were so close together in the UK is because testing usually took place after the person reached chronic symptoms (2-3 weeks after infection)

 

[Dawgfather]

I would say that it's probably more efficient testing but it's too early to tell. Death lag is around 3-4 weeks which means you're not going to see the deaths for another 2 weeks. The reason they were so close together in the UK is because testing usually took place after the person reached chronic symptoms (2-3 weeks after infection)

Same in Spain. The significant increase in infections started well over a month ago, but there is no corresponding (proportionate) increase in deaths. Same is true of other countries as well other than UK and Spain.

 

[south of heaven]

Same in Spain. The significant increase in infections started well over a month ago, but there is no corresponding (proportionate) increase in deaths. Same is true of other countries as well other than UK and Spain.

On a whole deaths are rising again and higher than they were may June July, and it's increasing

 

[Dawgfather]

On a whole deaths are rising again and higher than they were may June July, and it's increasing

The 7 day worldwide average of deaths is currently lower than it was throughout April as well as August:

Today (7 day average deaths per day): 5,241
August 19: 5,815
April 19: 6,970

However, I don't think the worldwide figures are very useful at all for doing any sort of useful analysis of trends. You need to look at individual countries and what is going on within them.

UK & Spain are interesting case studies (data attached in the above posts).

Take a look at Sweden (attached to this post). Since July 31 - the Sweden 7 day death average has been below 3 deaths per day. That's almost 3 months now. This is despite average case numbers of 200-300 per day and more recently more like 500 per day.

If the virus can't get to elderly and sick people - it generally can not kill people.

 

[Dogna88]

On a whole deaths are rising again and higher than they were may June July, and it's increasing

On a whole meaning the whole world???

 

[south of heaven]

On a whole meaning the whole world???

Yes

 

[south of heaven]

The 7 day worldwide average of deaths is currently lower than it was throughout April as well as August:

Today (7 day average deaths per day): 5,241
August 19: 5,815
April 19: 6,970

However, I don't think the worldwide figures are very useful at all for doing any sort of useful analysis of trends. You need to look at individual countries and what is going on within them.

UK & Spain are interesting case studies (data attached in the above posts).

Take a look at Sweden (attached to this post). Since July 31 - the Sweden 7 day death average has been below 3 deaths per day. That's almost 3 months now. This is despite average case numbers of 200-300 per day and more recently more like 500 per day.

If the virus can't get to elderly and sick people - it generally can not kill people.

No but it can overwhelm hospitals and cause cause chaos you seem to left out may June July where it was lower and yet again it's rising anyway you look at it,it's not getting better for a lot of places

 

[Dawgfather]

No but it can overwhelm hospitals and cause cause chaos you seem to left out may June July where it was lower and yet again it's rising anyway you look at it,it's not getting better for a lot of places

My only point is that in many places where infection counts have been rising for more than a month, the rise in deaths is much smaller (and also much smaller than the rise during these countries first waves).

Also, there are very few examples of hospitals being over run in most countries. It only happened in places which completely screwed up their initial responses to the virus (including Italy).

 

[Lov_Dog]

It is due to testing in initial stages. Testing is much more routine, accessible and high throughput now.
The initial infection rates were much higher than detected by testing.
Like ten times higher.

 

[south of heaven]

My only point is that in many places where infection counts have been rising for more than a month, the rise in deaths is much smaller (and also much smaller than the rise during these countries first waves).

Also, there are very few examples of hospitals being over run in most countries. It only happened in places which completely screwed up their initial responses to the virus (including Italy).

America has almost 250,000 deaths a qaurter of a million in 8 months in the years of ww2 the had a bit over 400,000 deaths , and there is no end of the road for covid yet .they are still around 1000 deaths a day come March they could be floating at 400,000 deaths in a period of 12 months .we are still yet to see the full effects through Africa and Indonesia and fuck knows how many other countries.this shit is with us now Indefinitely

 

[Dawgfather]

America has almost 250,000 deaths a qaurter of a million in 8 months in the years of ww2 the had a bit over 400,000 deaths , and there is no end of the road for covid yet .they are still around 1000 deaths a day come March they could be floating at 400,000 deaths in a period of 12 months .we are still yet to see the full effects through Africa and Indonesia and fuck knows how many other countries.this shit is with us now Indefinitely

Americas current 7 Day average death rate is significantly lower than back in April and May. At that point in time they had 2,100 dead per day.

As at yesterday it was 718 per day.

Still relatively high but a vast improvement since April and May.

 

[Dawgfather]

It is due to testing in initial stages. Testing is much more routine, accessible and high throughput now.
The initial infection rates were much higher than detected by testing.
Like ten times higher.

That's a possibility. Although if it's true, it also confirms that COVID is far less deadly than originally predicted.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

That's a possibility. Although if it's true, it also confirms that COVID is far less deadly than originally predicted.

That's always been the stance. The original prediction based on Wuhan was 3.4% but the early projections based on models was 0.6% which this seems to reflect.

 

[hayes]

Here is the UK as an example of the fairly obvious point that COVID is causing far less death than initially.

The number of new cases now in the UK is WAY higher than the first wave.

Yet the number of deaths now in the UK is WAY lower than the first wave.

The obvious question is why.

Could be better drugs in hospital
Could be better nursing and health care generally
Could be quicker diagnosis of cases through testing and therefore faster hospitalisation of patients

Either way - COVID doesn't present the risk to society which many claimed it did just a few months ago.

Also remember the covid 19 is always mutating and some of the newer strains have not been as deadly as the original.

 

[Flanagun]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...k/news-story/86afa46939d103acac7952dca34285a4

How the fuck does this happen in this day and age? Unbelievable.

 

[The DoggFather]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...k/news-story/86afa46939d103acac7952dca34285a4

How the fuck does this happen in this day and age? Unbelievable.

Stupidity or purposely, only 2 options I see.