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Bush Fires

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Dawgfather, Jan 7, 2020.

  1. CaptainJackson

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    You throw COMPLETELY BASELESS ACCUSATIONS around with zilch fucking proof.

    Hacky (and others and myself) has provided peer reviewed study after peer reviewed study and your retort is, its all bullshit because i believe so

    Nah mate get back under your rock
     
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  2. Dawgfather

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    cheers for proving my point.
     
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  3. Hacky McAxe

    Hacky McAxe Super Moderator Staff Member Gilded

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    You can believe that if you want. But literally every atmospheric scientist would tell you that you're wrong.

    The ozone (which is just a layer of O3 particles) has been studied thoroughly.

    But as always, I could be wrong. If you have any evidence to backup your claim then I'm more than happy to accept it.
     
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  4. Dawgfather

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    Look at this bright individual on twitter commenting after the Aus Open courts were left dirty because of rain mixed with dust overnight in Melbourne:

    "The rain puddles in Melbourne tonight. Streaks of red dust on clothes. This is not normal. Time to act #climatecrisis

    LOL

    Dust and dirt? Climate change
    Bush fires? Climate change
    Too many storms? Climate change
    Too few storms? Climate change
     
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  5. MatstaDogg

    MatstaDogg The Bearded Baker Premium Member

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    They should come see me out in the central west as everything is always covered in dust including your clothes. My car looks like I've had it parked in an old shed it's that covered but as we have level 4 water restrictions not much you can do about it. When it does rain here it just rains dust mixed with water so everything still gets cover in dust.
     
  6. Dawgfather

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    If you look at voting patterns, a lot of the support and belief in climate change comes from inner city elites who have never left an area that doesn't serve fancy lattes.

    I had to spend a stack of time with my last job out at a number of mine and construction sites in far north west WA, central queensland etc. The thing about the Pilbara region is you very quickly learn that the red dust gets everywhere, so you stop caring about it.
     
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  7. Dawgfather

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    For anyone who strongly supports a belief in climate change, this article is a big reason why people doubt scientists and people in govt/power.

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...-at-doomsday-clock-event-20200124-p53uac.html

    Most of what was said was entirely false.

    Also, claiming that the Australian government is in denial, infers there is only one side of the argument and unless you support it, you're an outcast.
     
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    I know I'm ranting, but a few more comments. Look at these idiot scientists with their doomsday clock.

    These scientists claimed back in 2016 after the US presidential election, that the clock was being moved forward because Trump (rather than Hillary had been elected).

    Yet 4 years on and Trump is one of the only presidents to avoid any new wars and has created relative (compared to the Obama years) peace in the middle east.
     
  10. Hacky McAxe

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    I like that you've finally stopped pretending that you're not a climate denier.
     
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  11. Hacky McAxe

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    Most of them aren't scientists. That's the irony of it. They're generally politicians and stuff.
     
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  12. Hacky McAxe

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  14. Dawgfather

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    Poor choice of words from me. What I was trying to say is:

    - If you are a strong advocate of man made climate change and are genuinely trying to understand why people hold an opposite view, then perhaps the article i attached will show you why.

    Using the climate denier tag is just an attempt to conflate holocaust denial with climate change and paint people as morally bankrupt to win an argument without ever having to talk about anything meaningful.

    As I've said before:

    I believe that the climate changes.
    - I'm open to the possibility that humans have had some impact on some of the changes over the last 100 years.
    - I'm open to the idea that some of the 'consequences' of climate change may actually be beneficial (and not negative) to life on earth.
    - I believe that most of the climate change debate has been hijacked by people on the left and by extension this includes most media types, and used to silence.people into submission.
    - It's a disgusting mistake to hide behind teenagers and even younger school students as political weapons to push your own agenda.


    The debate overall would be better served if concious choices were made such as:

    - Removing any school age children from the debate and providing them with the full range of opinions rather than only one
    - Refusing to allow school age children to participate at climate change forums (obviously I'm referring to the mentally ill kid from Sweden)
    - Stop attempting to link every single weather event to climate change
    - Start discussing practical responses to a slightly warmer climate (such as how we better manage fuel loads) and also how we manage the electricity grid given there will be higher base load demands due to air conditioning uses.
     
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    He has been released. Popular doctrine has it that a woman must be at fault and Hestia now in custody.

    She has denied it. She claims she was busy inventing a warrior female support chest plate.
     
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    Feel sorry for those yanks that got killed yesterday when the plane crashed. Come out to Australia to help us only to lose their lives in the process. We have lost too many firefighters to these damn fires as it is already.
     
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  17. Hacky McAxe

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    While I agree with a lot of that, the problem with the debate is that the debate should be at the stage of:

    "is climate change making fires worse?"

    And that's an actual decent debate as it seems highly likely especially considering that we're in a non-drought cycle and other factors, but more research is needed.

    Instead we have one extreme saying:

    "Climate change causes all the problems in life"

    And the other extreme saying:

    "humans have no effect on the climate"

    Fact is that while it's likely climate change is having an impact on the severity of bushfires, it isn't proven beyond a doubt. But what is proven is that humans are having a large impact on the climate. This was proven over 30 years ago. But it's still denied.
     
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  18. Hacky McAxe

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    And the weirdest part is how strong the denial is. Several fossil fuel companies proved human's effects on the climate then they covered it up and organised a campaign of misinformation, and they were caught red handed. And people still trust them over the actual scientists.

    Could you imagine if the Greens were caught running a multi-billion dollar campaign to cover up what they were really doing? They would be lynched in the streets. Yet it's 100% confirmed that fossil fuel companies covered up the effects of fossil fuels on the climate and people jump to defend them and still deny it's true.

    I'm open to all evidence from all sides. But there's a difference between skepticism and denial. When you completely ignore the massive amount of evidence it's definitely not skepticism.
     
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  19. Mitch Connor

    Mitch Connor Super Moderator Staff Member

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    We are on again

    Southside of Canberra about to cop a hiding. It was wild to see in person this afternoon. Watched the flames come over the moutain ridge behind the suburbs

    Someone posted this on fb

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  20. Mitch Connor

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    And the defence force started this fire accidentally yesterday from a helicopter light getting hot enough to ignite grassland and it went off its head and caused this

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