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I'd say it's probable.It's possible the earth is the microcosms
I'd say it's probable.It's possible the earth is the microcosms
Yep, no standouts for mine.Corruption and incompetence don't resonate with those punters either and it's all about the cattle...the roster is sub-par in both teams so it's all Morrison's for the foreseeable future.
Libs are set with what they have as leader.
Labor need a charismatic man/woman and Albo as dull as a post. Only even remote possibilities for them, that you could work with to raise their profiles, are the following IMO...but slim pickings:
Mark Dreyfuss?
Clare O'Neill?
Katy Gallagher?
Kenneally?
Jason Clare?
Terri Butler?
Marles, Mark Butler, Chalmers only marginally better than Albo and still as dull.
Nothing much else
Why are we "both sides" -ing this?As for corruption or incompetence that’s age old on both sides too - be it sports rorts or pink bats.
Because it does exist on both sides.Why are we "both sides" -ing this?
There's far more corruption and incompetence on one side than the other. So much so, that there is no comparison. In fact one side set up 2 Royal Commissions (pink bats and unions) to throw as much mud as possible to get it to stick but none of it did.
In fact I'd even argue that pink bats shows the dangers of a "free market", free from regulations.
There's now even a refusal to answer questions from the the 4th estate or even in question time (where censoring seems to be the norm).
By no means am I suggesting that Labor don't have their problems, they have problems with certain personnel, they have problems with too much union influence in certain instances, they have a major problem of hypocrisy by accepting money/donations from clubs, who generate their profits from pokies, etc
But to suggest the levels of corruption or incompetence are in any way, shape, or form comparable (given the last 7 years) is ridiculousness.
Just a comparison of some of the redefining of terms and how they have been presented and received by the public:-
Joe Hockey claiming that Labor relied on the price of Iron ore for their budget vs Joe Hockey grandstanding on the budget given that the real reason was the price of Iron ore skyrocketed that particular budget
Leadership changes Rudd-Gillard-Rudd vs Leadership changes Turnbull - Abbott - Turnbull - Morrison
GFC stimulus vs Covid stimulus
There's a clear case of double standards.
Fair enough I mis read it. However I do stand by my point that the comparison in corruption shows a vast difference.Because it does exist on both sides.
I wasn't point scoring for either team - not saying who's 'worse'.
Gillard famously said there would be no carbon tax under a government she led - look what happened.
Whether it was the right thing or not is less relevant - it's another example of hypocrisy in politicians, who I'm deeply skeptical of.
I was simply stating that the fleas come with the dog and that changing teams doesn't rid you of the fleas.
It's easy to have the loudest voice in opposition and then be a dud government - look at Abbott.
All I'm saying is that irrespective of what anyone thinks of him or his government - right now, as it stands, I think Morrison will win in a walk in 2022.
If that turns out to be a dud prediction, as many got wrong in 2019, I'll wear it - but I can't see Albo in The Lodge - not unless there's some huge event that tips the scales as happened to Trump - I hate to say it, but if not for Covid he'd probably still be in the White House.
Very true mate. It’s hilarious how some people conveniently forget O’Beid, Shanghai Sam & the long list of Labor pollies PROVEN to be corruptBecause it does exist on both sides.
I wasn't point scoring for either team - not saying who's 'worse'.
Gillard famously said there would be no carbon tax under a government she led - look what happened.
Whether it was the right thing or not is less relevant - it's another example of hypocrisy in politicians, who I'm deeply skeptical of.
I was simply stating that the fleas come with the dog and that changing teams doesn't rid you of the fleas.
It's easy to have the loudest voice in opposition and then be a dud government - look at Abbott.
All I'm saying is that irrespective of what anyone thinks of him or his government - right now, as it stands, I think Morrison will win in a walk in 2022.
If that turns out to be a dud prediction, as many got wrong in 2019, I'll wear it - but I can't see Albo in The Lodge - not unless there's some huge event that tips the scales as happened to Trump - I hate to say it, but if not for Covid he'd probably still be in the White House.
If the cross benchers that the libs are reliant on to get the industrial relations bill through parliament vote it in there are potentially going to be a shiyload of angry people who lose out on wages before the next election. I'd think a huge hit to the hip pocket for any workers would be enough to get the lib/mats voted out.Who’s the alternative mate?
From the same team: Frydenberg? Hunt?
From the other team: Albo to me is decent bloke you’d have a beer with but PM?
Chalmers? Husic?
Not a lot of stock either way.
Scotty from Marketing is playing the ‘man of the people’ role pretty well the same as Kevin-07 did.
Like it or not, it resonates with the punter.
Hard to see him losing in 2022 from here, unless there’s some forthcoming cluster that blows up in his face - but maybe that’s what you meant by ‘good politician’ - just as Howard was.
Yep that's a fraught issue for sure, as Howard found out with WorkChoices.If the cross benchers that the libs are reliant on to get the industrial relations bill through parliament vote it in there are potentially going to be a shiyload of angry people who lose out on wages before the next election. I'd think a huge hit to the hip pocket for any workers would be enough to get the lib/mats voted out.
Yeah 'core / non-core' was a joke - that's literally treating the voter with contempt.Fair enough I mis read it. However I do stand by my point that the comparison in corruption shows a vast difference.
And just as a side note Gillard multiple times stated there was an emissions trading scheme (pollie talk to avoid saying tax) and peta credlin admitted on sky news they always knew what it was but it was a key attacking point that resonated with the misinformation in the public. So Gillards "there is no carbon tax" is significantly different than Howard's "core and non core" promises.
I'll agree to disagree with you in regards to major differences between the parties. There are some areas where it seems Labor have given up fighting and just take the coalition viewpoint (which I do criticise Labor for). And there are many times Labor fucks around with meaningless reviews, I do personally see vast differences between them and the coalition. Particularly given the detailed policy view Labor gave the last election vs misleading tax cuts (use of average vs median)Yeah 'core / non-core' was a joke - that's literally treating the voter with contempt.
As for the ETS - of course - it wasn't that difficult to see through it for anyone was who paying attention and of course the opposition would (should) pounce on it, as they did. Abbott was a very effective Opposition Leader but a deer in the headlights PM.
I'm not partisan and will call a spade a shovel. I've voted both ways depending on the issues of the day and frankly don't see a lot between the two majors these days - they can squirt each other with water pistols they're that close to the fence on either side.
But that's what the masses appear to want - extremists don't get very far ie: Hanson and Palmer.
To be fair though, as much as I disagree with what she says, Hanson has held on and/or reincarnated herself to remain a pain in the arse. Credit where it's due...
I guess we’ll see what Albo lays out for 2022 but equally importantly how he sells it, because that was a failure for Labor in 2019 in my view.I'll agree to disagree with you in regards to major differences between the parties. There are some areas where it seems Labor have given up fighting and just take the coalition viewpoint (which I do criticise Labor for). And there are many times Labor fucks around with meaningless reviews, I do personally see vast differences between them and the coalition. Particularly given the detailed policy view Labor gave the last election vs misleading tax cuts (use of average vs median)
But as I said I'll agree to disagree
I've honestly got no hope in him. Plybersek and Wong are my personal front runners for leadership but I highly doubt Australia is ready for them.I guess we’ll see what Albo lays out for 2022 but equality importantly how he sells it, because that was a failure for Labor in 2019 in my view.
What’s your take on the omni bus bill before parliamentI'll agree to disagree with you in regards to major differences between the parties. There are some areas where it seems Labor have given up fighting and just take the coalition viewpoint (which I do criticise Labor for). And there are many times Labor fucks around with meaningless reviews, I do personally see vast differences between them and the coalition. Particularly given the detailed policy view Labor gave the last election vs misleading tax cuts (use of average vs median)
But as I said I'll agree to disagree
I don't know enough about it. I looked it up about 2 months ago and there wasn't much public information available at the time. Will have to look it up again and determine my stance.What’s your take on the omni bus bill before parliament
It’s obviously going to be a campaign unions vs the business chamber. I haven’t read into much yet either. All I get as being part of a union is constant messaging telling me how bad it is and what I should do lol!! Rather read in time and form own opinionI don't know enough about it. I looked it up about 2 months ago and there wasn't much public information available at the time. Will have to look it up again and determine my stance.
I do know that casual workforce definition is up for determination and let me just say that I'm NOT on the side of unions with this particular issue, I think there needs to be a 3rd definition introduced to cover some aspects required by businesses in emerging types of work.