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wendog33

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Scomo preparing the groundwork.

Desperate, desperate I tell ya.

"Health Minister Greg Hunt told reporters at Parliament House that Ms Reynolds had taken the leave reluctantly.

"Linda was desperate to appear before the National Press Club today, desperate to appear," he said.

"It was only on the strongest medical advice that she took the reluctant decision not to do it."


 

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Corruption and incompetence don't resonate with those punters either and it's all about the cattle...the roster is sub-par in both teams so it's all Morrison's for the foreseeable future.

Libs are set with what they have as leader.

Labor need a charismatic man/woman and Albo as dull as a post. Only even remote possibilities for them, that you could work with to raise their profiles, are the following IMO...but slim pickings:

Mark Dreyfuss?
Clare O'Neill?
Katy Gallagher?
Kenneally?
Jason Clare?
Terri Butler?


Marles, Mark Butler, Chalmers only marginally better than Albo and still as dull.

Nothing much else :grinning:
Yep, no standouts for mine.

Gone are the days of the Keatings and Costellos who irrespective of what anyone thought of them personally played a good game. This is another area social media has impacted. Whilst good for direct messaging and a little image cultivation it’s also a distraction from the main game. I think it was Howard who said he’s glad it wasn’t around when he was in office. I don’t disagree.

As for corruption or incompetence that’s age old on both sides too - be it sports rorts or pink bats. The punters mostly want someone they see as not too unlike them - which is why Abbott and Turnbull failed. Scotty screwed up royally during the bushfires but he’s done well during Covid so he learnt some lessons.

I can’t see a day where everyone agrees on who’s the most fit for the job nor a day where whoever rides in C1 isn’t mercilessly bagged - but mostly for partisan and non-specific reasons. What a thankless slog it is.
 

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As for corruption or incompetence that’s age old on both sides too - be it sports rorts or pink bats.
Why are we "both sides" -ing this?

There's far more corruption and incompetence on one side than the other. So much so, that there is no comparison. In fact one side set up 2 Royal Commissions (pink bats and unions) to throw as much mud as possible to get it to stick but none of it did.

In fact I'd even argue that pink bats shows the dangers of a "free market", free from regulations.

There's now even a refusal to answer questions from the the 4th estate or even in question time (where censoring seems to be the norm).

By no means am I suggesting that Labor don't have their problems, they have problems with certain personnel, they have problems with too much union influence in certain instances, they have a major problem of hypocrisy by accepting money/donations from clubs, who generate their profits from pokies, etc

But to suggest the levels of corruption or incompetence are in any way, shape, or form comparable (given the last 7 years) is ridiculousness.

Just a comparison of some of the redefining of terms and how they have been presented and received by the public:-

Joe Hockey claiming that Labor relied on the price of Iron ore for their budget vs Joe Hockey grandstanding on the budget given that the real reason was the price of Iron ore skyrocketed that particular budget

Leadership changes Rudd-Gillard-Rudd vs Leadership changes Turnbull - Abbott - Turnbull - Morrison

GFC stimulus vs Covid stimulus

There's a clear case of double standards.
 

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Why are we "both sides" -ing this?

There's far more corruption and incompetence on one side than the other. So much so, that there is no comparison. In fact one side set up 2 Royal Commissions (pink bats and unions) to throw as much mud as possible to get it to stick but none of it did.

In fact I'd even argue that pink bats shows the dangers of a "free market", free from regulations.

There's now even a refusal to answer questions from the the 4th estate or even in question time (where censoring seems to be the norm).

By no means am I suggesting that Labor don't have their problems, they have problems with certain personnel, they have problems with too much union influence in certain instances, they have a major problem of hypocrisy by accepting money/donations from clubs, who generate their profits from pokies, etc

But to suggest the levels of corruption or incompetence are in any way, shape, or form comparable (given the last 7 years) is ridiculousness.

Just a comparison of some of the redefining of terms and how they have been presented and received by the public:-

Joe Hockey claiming that Labor relied on the price of Iron ore for their budget vs Joe Hockey grandstanding on the budget given that the real reason was the price of Iron ore skyrocketed that particular budget

Leadership changes Rudd-Gillard-Rudd vs Leadership changes Turnbull - Abbott - Turnbull - Morrison

GFC stimulus vs Covid stimulus

There's a clear case of double standards.
Because it does exist on both sides.
I wasn't point scoring for either team - not saying who's 'worse'.
Gillard famously said there would be no carbon tax under a government she led - look what happened.
Whether it was the right thing or not is less relevant - it's another example of hypocrisy in politicians, who I'm deeply skeptical of.

I was simply stating that the fleas come with the dog and that changing teams doesn't rid you of the fleas.
It's easy to have the loudest voice in opposition and then be a dud government - look at Abbott.

All I'm saying is that irrespective of what anyone thinks of him or his government - right now, as it stands, I think Morrison will win in a walk in 2022.
If that turns out to be a dud prediction, as many got wrong in 2019, I'll wear it - but I can't see Albo in The Lodge - not unless there's some huge event that tips the scales as happened to Trump - I hate to say it, but if not for Covid he'd probably still be in the White House.
 

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Because it does exist on both sides.
I wasn't point scoring for either team - not saying who's 'worse'.
Gillard famously said there would be no carbon tax under a government she led - look what happened.
Whether it was the right thing or not is less relevant - it's another example of hypocrisy in politicians, who I'm deeply skeptical of.

I was simply stating that the fleas come with the dog and that changing teams doesn't rid you of the fleas.
It's easy to have the loudest voice in opposition and then be a dud government - look at Abbott.

All I'm saying is that irrespective of what anyone thinks of him or his government - right now, as it stands, I think Morrison will win in a walk in 2022.
If that turns out to be a dud prediction, as many got wrong in 2019, I'll wear it - but I can't see Albo in The Lodge - not unless there's some huge event that tips the scales as happened to Trump - I hate to say it, but if not for Covid he'd probably still be in the White House.
Fair enough I mis read it. However I do stand by my point that the comparison in corruption shows a vast difference.

And just as a side note Gillard multiple times stated there was an emissions trading scheme (pollie talk to avoid saying tax) and peta credlin admitted on sky news they always knew what it was but it was a key attacking point that resonated with the misinformation in the public. So Gillards "there is no carbon tax" is significantly different than Howard's "core and non core" promises.
 

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Because it does exist on both sides.
I wasn't point scoring for either team - not saying who's 'worse'.
Gillard famously said there would be no carbon tax under a government she led - look what happened.
Whether it was the right thing or not is less relevant - it's another example of hypocrisy in politicians, who I'm deeply skeptical of.

I was simply stating that the fleas come with the dog and that changing teams doesn't rid you of the fleas.
It's easy to have the loudest voice in opposition and then be a dud government - look at Abbott.

All I'm saying is that irrespective of what anyone thinks of him or his government - right now, as it stands, I think Morrison will win in a walk in 2022.
If that turns out to be a dud prediction, as many got wrong in 2019, I'll wear it - but I can't see Albo in The Lodge - not unless there's some huge event that tips the scales as happened to Trump - I hate to say it, but if not for Covid he'd probably still be in the White House.
Very true mate. It’s hilarious how some people conveniently forget O’Beid, Shanghai Sam & the long list of Labor pollies PROVEN to be corrupt
 

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Bronwyn bishop
Susan ley
Angus Taylor
Joe Hockey
Alexander Downer
Barnaby joyce
Josh frydenburg
Greg hunt
Scott Morrison
Matthias corman
Peter dutton
Glayds liu
Michalia cash
George Christensen
Stuart Robert
Sports rorts
Robodebt
Dave sharma


And only one of that list was forced to resign given her decades of "socialism"

But sure let's do the whole sam dastyari who's incident is remarkably similar to a couple on the list above.
 
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Who’s the alternative mate?
From the same team: Frydenberg? Hunt?
From the other team: Albo to me is decent bloke you’d have a beer with but PM?
Chalmers? Husic?
Not a lot of stock either way.
Scotty from Marketing is playing the ‘man of the people’ role pretty well the same as Kevin-07 did.
Like it or not, it resonates with the punter.
Hard to see him losing in 2022 from here, unless there’s some forthcoming cluster that blows up in his face - but maybe that’s what you meant by ‘good politician’ - just as Howard was.
If the cross benchers that the libs are reliant on to get the industrial relations bill through parliament vote it in there are potentially going to be a shiyload of angry people who lose out on wages before the next election. I'd think a huge hit to the hip pocket for any workers would be enough to get the lib/mats voted out.
 

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If the cross benchers that the libs are reliant on to get the industrial relations bill through parliament vote it in there are potentially going to be a shiyload of angry people who lose out on wages before the next election. I'd think a huge hit to the hip pocket for any workers would be enough to get the lib/mats voted out.
Yep that's a fraught issue for sure, as Howard found out with WorkChoices.
But I think there was more to Howards defeat - the lies of Iraq were coming to the surface and he was on the nose having been there so long in terms of running out of ideas and refusing to hand the reins over to Costello. On top of that K07 ran a solid campaign, promising the NBN among other things. There usually has to be a collision of a few issues for a change of Government - 1996, 2007 and 2013 proved that. I'm not saying it's impossible for Morrison to lose the next election, I just don't see enough momentum from the opposition at this point to cause a boilover.
 
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Fair enough I mis read it. However I do stand by my point that the comparison in corruption shows a vast difference.

And just as a side note Gillard multiple times stated there was an emissions trading scheme (pollie talk to avoid saying tax) and peta credlin admitted on sky news they always knew what it was but it was a key attacking point that resonated with the misinformation in the public. So Gillards "there is no carbon tax" is significantly different than Howard's "core and non core" promises.
Yeah 'core / non-core' was a joke - that's literally treating the voter with contempt.
As for the ETS - of course - it wasn't that difficult to see through it for anyone was who paying attention and of course the opposition would (should) pounce on it, as they did. Abbott was a very effective Opposition Leader but a deer in the headlights PM.
I'm not partisan and will call a spade a shovel. I've voted both ways depending on the issues of the day and frankly don't see a lot between the two majors these days - they can squirt each other with water pistols they're that close to the fence on either side.
But that's what the masses appear to want - extremists don't get very far ie: Hanson and Palmer.
To be fair though, as much as I disagree with what she says, Hanson has held on and/or reincarnated herself to remain a pain in the arse. Credit where it's due...
 
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Yeah 'core / non-core' was a joke - that's literally treating the voter with contempt.
As for the ETS - of course - it wasn't that difficult to see through it for anyone was who paying attention and of course the opposition would (should) pounce on it, as they did. Abbott was a very effective Opposition Leader but a deer in the headlights PM.
I'm not partisan and will call a spade a shovel. I've voted both ways depending on the issues of the day and frankly don't see a lot between the two majors these days - they can squirt each other with water pistols they're that close to the fence on either side.
But that's what the masses appear to want - extremists don't get very far ie: Hanson and Palmer.
To be fair though, as much as I disagree with what she says, Hanson has held on and/or reincarnated herself to remain a pain in the arse. Credit where it's due...
I'll agree to disagree with you in regards to major differences between the parties. There are some areas where it seems Labor have given up fighting and just take the coalition viewpoint (which I do criticise Labor for). And there are many times Labor fucks around with meaningless reviews, I do personally see vast differences between them and the coalition. Particularly given the detailed policy view Labor gave the last election vs misleading tax cuts (use of average vs median)

But as I said I'll agree to disagree
 

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I'll agree to disagree with you in regards to major differences between the parties. There are some areas where it seems Labor have given up fighting and just take the coalition viewpoint (which I do criticise Labor for). And there are many times Labor fucks around with meaningless reviews, I do personally see vast differences between them and the coalition. Particularly given the detailed policy view Labor gave the last election vs misleading tax cuts (use of average vs median)

But as I said I'll agree to disagree
I guess we’ll see what Albo lays out for 2022 but equally importantly how he sells it, because that was a failure for Labor in 2019 in my view.
 
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I guess we’ll see what Albo lays out for 2022 but equality importantly how he sells it, because that was a failure for Labor in 2019 in my view.
I've honestly got no hope in him. Plybersek and Wong are my personal front runners for leadership but I highly doubt Australia is ready for them.

Tanya's husband will get torn to shreds by Murdoch media.

Penny, a lesbian Asian??? Not happening (yes I know she's in the senate but that can easily be changed if they were looking to make that move)
 

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I'll agree to disagree with you in regards to major differences between the parties. There are some areas where it seems Labor have given up fighting and just take the coalition viewpoint (which I do criticise Labor for). And there are many times Labor fucks around with meaningless reviews, I do personally see vast differences between them and the coalition. Particularly given the detailed policy view Labor gave the last election vs misleading tax cuts (use of average vs median)

But as I said I'll agree to disagree
What’s your take on the omni bus bill before parliament
 

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What’s your take on the omni bus bill before parliament
I don't know enough about it. I looked it up about 2 months ago and there wasn't much public information available at the time. Will have to look it up again and determine my stance.

I do know that casual workforce definition is up for determination and let me just say that I'm NOT on the side of unions with this particular issue, I think there needs to be a 3rd definition introduced to cover some aspects required by businesses in emerging types of work.
 

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I don't know enough about it. I looked it up about 2 months ago and there wasn't much public information available at the time. Will have to look it up again and determine my stance.

I do know that casual workforce definition is up for determination and let me just say that I'm NOT on the side of unions with this particular issue, I think there needs to be a 3rd definition introduced to cover some aspects required by businesses in emerging types of work.
It’s obviously going to be a campaign unions vs the business chamber. I haven’t read into much yet either. All I get as being part of a union is constant messaging telling me how bad it is and what I should do lol!! Rather read in time and form own opinion
 
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