95-year-old Clare Nowland tasered by police and ‘fighting for life

I think @Alan79 has worked in a retirement home or something similar before - do the eldery people in there often act up?

Not specific to age rather those with dementia.

My aunty when she's over with my uncle can sit down for hours on end and not say a single word.

A family friend (God rest his soul) was loud and abusive at times which was out of his hands and was put into a nursing home because his family couldn't look after him.

Another family friend she's very loud, talkative and try's to open doors and leave.

Even my neighbour who has such a beautiful heart has changed for the worst.
 
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Not specific to age rather those with dementia.

My aunty when she's over with my uncle can sit down for hours on end and not say a single word.

A family friend (God rest his soul) was loud and abusive at times which was out of his hands and was put into a nursing home because his family couldn't look after him.

Another family friend she's very loud, talkative and try's to open doors and leave.

Even my neighbour who has such a beautiful heart has changed for the worst.
It is so terrible when someone you know and love just isn't themselves when they are suffering.
 
I think @Alan79 has worked in a retirement home or something similar before - do the eldery people in there often act up?
Yes they can. Well known feature of dementia impairment. ("Sundowners" a colloquial term used by the staff to explain evening goings on). Can't sleep so wander around. Go into others rooms and can cause disruption to other residents. Having access to finding knives indicates poor security and supervision really. At times the inexperienced staff do that night shift but things have improved since mid 2023 with the Govt demand for better staffing and a qualified nurse being on site.

This kind of incident happens routinely (disruptive, agitated residents) although the fact she had knives is alarmingly telling on that facility IMO. It was very poor supervision and training to handle this situation and I could not imagine in my wildest dreams that the facility my mother was in, and I volunteered in, would ever have needed to call Police to handle a 95 year old with a walking frame.

If the staff are patient and well trained in de-escalating these day to day incidents, then usually it all blows over.

Seems like this incident, every single procedure and security measure put in place to deal with aggitated resi's by Aged Care Homes, was not implemented in the first instance and the (staff thought) quick easy solution was to get the ambos, then Police, to do the job for them.

Mind you it's a very hard job and very emotionally draining and staff need the full support of their employers with training and roster rotation to handle it....unless you're a lazy, uncaring narcissist and there are a few out there...but very few I'd say from my experience.

Most of the time I felt so sorry for the staff and stayed back for "Sundowners" and helping with the evening meal and preparing for bedtime as there was always some drama or other with a resident that threw the staffs routine and tight schedule into chaos...could have been toileting accidents, fights between the men, time consuming disorientation by the women mainly, refusing to eat or drink, severe falls....it takes a very special person to be an excellent carer.
 
A really weird aside.

I was in a conflict resolution workshop trial today run by a martial arts guy who runs a security consultancy. Works with all sorts all over the country.

He mentioned during this you would not believe how strong a 95 year old dementia patient can be and should never be taken likely. I sort of went wtf knowing about this but never got the chance to flesh it out further.

Maybe theres more on the video than what the news is reporting? Before I get flamed reckon this is all shit as fck with what the police guy involved has done but just trying to work out where the fck this guy was coming from?
I use to work part-time in patient transport for QAS and I had an encounter with a slim 80 year old male dementia patient. He was becoming very aggressive and it took myself and my partner (both young and strong at the time) to restrain him and get him into the ambulance as he was lashing out. We couldn't believe how strong he was??? It was like trying to keep someone still during an epileptic fit. Was an eye-opener!!!
 
I use to work part-time in patient transport for QAS and I had an encounter with a slim 80 year old male dementia patient. He was becoming very aggressive and it took myself and my partner (both young and strong at the time) to restrain him and get him into the ambulance as he was lashing out. We couldn't believe how strong he was??? It was like trying to keep someone still during an epileptic fit. Was an eye-opener!!!
Imagine you loaded him up with some meth? He'd be running the retirement home haha
 
Why is this flop still getting paid even after his been charged?
 
They are looking?
Into termination. Isn’t it an instant sackable offence if a cop is charged.
He has the union backing him up. They announced this morning suspended without pay.

In a court re manslaughter, its purely a question of was this reasonable. And he may yet appeal. So its possible the police sack him, he appeals and gets off and the cops are up for a motza. This is what I guess the cops are waiting on - is he going to appeal.
 
I think @Alan79 has worked in a retirement home or something similar before - do the eldery people in there often act up?

Plenty of them will have issues with behaviour. And there are different facilities for the more extreme patients. They can threaten you. If it's a 65yo man with dementia and violent tendencies who's not really a long way towards being fragile, they'll generally find them a different type of care and there will be staff trained to defuse the situations if they're genuinely a threat. I don't think a 95yo using a walker was genuinely a threat. Some are flight risks, there was an old man who was pretty frequently missing from the nursing home. But they moved him into a facility that requires a pin code to enter and leave the main public area. So they've still got freedom to move around and talk to other residents and get outside into a locked off garden, but they need to remember that pin code to leave the facilities once they go into the dementia ward. But generally speaking you can talk most of them through things with a bit of patience. Some you just settle into their chairs or room and keep an eye on them. As far as the cops being called goes, I'm not sure why they did. Different places might have different rules. If they were largely inexperienced staff on duty it's quite possible they had communication issues. A lot of the older folks have trouble hearing and understanding a portion of the international care staff that most facilities hire these days. So there's a lot of reasons the police might have been called.

I tend to find that offering a cup of tea and a biscuit is a much better way to go about getting residents settled down. Generally I'll tell a resident that doesn't know what's going on that they're a bit sick and having memory issues but that we're here to help them work through things and offer to call some family. I just can't for the life of me see why some fucking huge cop felt a need to use a taser on someone that fragile. I dare say he's used to just being an intimidating asshole and backs people with full decision making skills down that way in general. But I know that my nephew still has issues with a thumb that a cop dislocated when he was 15 and drinking. The turd slammed his head into the bonnet of the police car and took him to the station and got away with it.

Speaks for issues with the police that this happened. Can also look at the Danny Lim incident.
 
Plenty of them will have issues with behaviour. And there are different facilities for the more extreme patients. They can threaten you. If it's a 65yo man with dementia and violent tendencies who's not really a long way towards being fragile, they'll generally find them a different type of care and there will be staff trained to defuse the situations if they're genuinely a threat. I don't think a 95yo using a walker was genuinely a threat. Some are flight risks, there was an old man who was pretty frequently missing from the nursing home. But they moved him into a facility that requires a pin code to enter and leave the main public area. So they've still got freedom to move around and talk to other residents and get outside into a locked off garden, but they need to remember that pin code to leave the facilities once they go into the dementia ward. But generally speaking you can talk most of them through things with a bit of patience. Some you just settle into their chairs or room and keep an eye on them. As far as the cops being called goes, I'm not sure why they did. Different places might have different rules. If they were largely inexperienced staff on duty it's quite possible they had communication issues. A lot of the older folks have trouble hearing and understanding a portion of the international care staff that most facilities hire these days. So there's a lot of reasons the police might have been called.

I tend to find that offering a cup of tea and a biscuit is a much better way to go about getting residents settled down. Generally I'll tell a resident that doesn't know what's going on that they're a bit sick and having memory issues but that we're here to help them work through things and offer to call some family. I just can't for the life of me see why some fucking huge cop felt a need to use a taser on someone that fragile. I dare say he's used to just being an intimidating asshole and backs people with full decision making skills down that way in general. But I know that my nephew still has issues with a thumb that a cop dislocated when he was 15 and drinking. The turd slammed his head into the bonnet of the police car and took him to the station and got away with it.

Speaks for issues with the police that this happened. Can also look at the Danny Lim incident.
Fuck the police, a bunch of PIGS serving masters they're oblivious to!
The entire system protects itself, as illustrated by the Commissioner's actions.
 
The ambos protected him as well. All 4 weak bastards were scared.

Just throw a blanket over her.

I’ll back our public servants because what they do they deserve more pay but I’ll call them out if need be, I’m surprised the ambos wouldnt know a way to deal with the situation because they’d see it on the regular.

Could have used a broom to hit her hand and do less damage, lots of options.
 
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