Official Bulldogs Reject Sports Betting

[B-Train]

Adding to this - at least now, when I'm watching the Dogs play - I will have less of the Gambling Advertising coming my way. If I want to go to the Club and play the Pokies, that's 100% on me for physically taking myself there, sitting down, and feeding $50's into the machine. When I'm watching sport, I want to sit down and enjoy the contest - I don't give two shits about the awesome "Flying Foxx Anytime Tryscorer Special" being broadcast pre-game/ mid-game/ post-game. I just want to watch footy.

Exactly. None of us are condemning gambling and people will make whatever choices they want.. But to have any one industry have a monopoly on and dominate the advertising space isn't healthy, especially one as destructive as gambling.

As far as the NSW Government initiative, I'd say they and the Federal government need to do more in terms of setting limitations on how much they can advertise and not just rely on clubs and a few ads of their own to send the message. Changing things so that four out of every five ads aren't gambling related would make a bigger impact.

The problem is, the governments profit greatly from the betting agencies and pokies so they want to make it seem like they're coming down hard on gambling without actually implementing any severe penalties or restrictions that hurts their pockets.

 

[MOVE.80]

But they take a gamble on their halfback every week?

 

[CroydonDog]

Well said CD. There's a good documentary called Ka-Ching Pokie Nation which goes into detail about how Aristocrat was the pioneer in pokie machines all around the world and how Australia has more pokie/slot machines per capita than anywhere in the world.

It also explains how on a chemical and psychological level just the sounds, lights and different gimmicks of the pokies play a part in enhancing the addiction.

About 10 years ago we took over a struggling RSL Club in Marrickville. At the time is was like the oldest Anzac club in Sydney.

it had a lot of Vietnamese patrons who loved the pokies, but they were started to stray to the nearby pubs and larger leagues/rsl clubs. So when we got appointed, the Bank paid for a report on how to drive up revenue. The first thing we did? Paint the room red and gold. The 2nd? But a few new machines that would appeal to them (5 dragons and lucky 88 were the hits for the day). Bang, revenue shot up. Wasn't enough to save the club, mind.

 

[wendog33]

Exactly. None of us are condemning gambling and people will make whatever choices they want.. But to have any one industry have a monopoly on and dominate the advertising space isn't healthy, especially one as destructive as gambling.

As far as the NSW Government initiative, I'd say they and the Federal government need to do more in terms of setting limitations into how much they can advertise and not just rely on clubs and a few ads of their own to send the message. Changing things so 4 ads out of every 5 aren't gambling related would make a bigger impact.

The problem is, the governments profit greatly from the betting agencies and pokies so they want to make it seem like they're coming down hard on gambling without actually implementing any severe penalties or restrictions that hurts their pockets.

So much so apparently they aren't prosecuting Crown after clear evidence of all the bags of money laundered over the counter in their casinos exposed on 4 Corners.

 

[B-Train]

About 10 years ago we took over a struggling RSL Club in Marrickville. At the time is was like the oldest Anzac club in Sydney.

it had a lot of Vietnamese patrons who loved the pokies, but they were started to stray to the nearby pubs and larger leagues/rsl clubs. So when we got appointed, the Bank paid for a report on how to drive up revenue. The first thing we did? Paint the room red and gold. The 2nd? But a few new machines that would appeal to them (5 dragons and lucky 88 were the hits for the day). Bang, revenue shot up. Wasn't enough to save the club, mind.

It's the main part of the problem as most pubs and clubs make way more money on Pokie revenue than anything else. There should be a limit on how many pokies venues can have but the government will never do it because they make hundreds of millions off the pokie tax.

 

[CroydonDog]

It's the main part of the problem as most pubs and clubs make way more money on Pokie revenue than anything else. There should be a limit on how many pokies venues can have but the government will never do it because they make hundreds of millions off the pokie tax.

In some places its like 80%+ of profits. Margins are far far higher than any other revenue stream for a pub/club, compared, to food, grog, bottlo etc.

Lots of bars now don't have pokies which is great, but you're also paying $12 a bloody pint in them

 

[B-Train]

So much so apparently they aren't prosecuting Crown after clear evidence of all the bags of money laundered over the counter in their casinos exposed on 4 Corners.

Don't get me started on casinos. The amount of money laundering you see going on there, especially Chinese money, is crazy..

You can be on the main floor at 9am on a Tuesday and see people betting 10-20k on Baccarat like it's nothing. And the tables are packed! That's only downstairs. Imagine how much money is being moved around upstairs in the high rollers rooms?

 

[D- voice]

Bulldogs join forces with Reclaim The Game to say no to sports betting advertising

In a first of its kind, the Bulldogs have rejected sports betting advertising and joined Reclaim the Game, a NSW Government initiative that challenges the idea that betting is a normal part of sport.

www.bulldogs.com.au

Well done Bulldogs...
Gambling has always been a curse and a cause for families destruction among many other misfortunes.
There is no need to advertise it in order to brain wash kids...It's EVIL !!!

 

[B-Train]

In some places its like 80%+ of profits. Margins are far far higher than any other revenue stream for a pub/club, compared, to food, grog, bottlo etc.

Lots of bars now don't have pokies which is great, but you're also paying $12 a bloody pint in them

Haha. Yeah especially around the Inner West where I am. I sound like an old bastard every time I'm shocked and bitching about how much a beer costs. I swear it goes up $1 a month these days. But like you said, they have to make their money somewhere..

The beer is cheaper in the pubs with tonnes of pokies because they can afford to cut prices and they want everyone drunk so they can waste more on the pokies or TAB.

 

[wendog33]

Don't get me started on casinos. The amount of money laundering you see going on there, especially Chinese money, is crazy..

You can be on the main floor at 9am on a Tuesday and see people betting 10-20k on Baccarat like it's nothing. And the tables are packed! That's only downstairs. Imagine how much money is being moved around upstairs in the high rollers rooms?

Did you see the hundreds of thousands of stacked dollars in sports bags being surrendered for chips in the 4 Corners expose?
Unbelievable brazenness.

 

[B-Train]

Did you see the hundreds of thousands of stacked dollars in sports bags being surrendered for chips in the 4 Corners expose?
Unbelievable brazenness.

Nah I haven't seen it. I'll check it out..

 

[DinkumDog]

It’s a good move but we are also sponsored by a leagues club & hotel chain both full of pokies which do a hell of a lot of damage to people and their families

That was the first thing I thought of.
Slightly hypocritical?
No-one likes to see damage done by addiction but we can’t act like cleanskins when a big source of our footy club funding comes from those very products.

 

[B-Train]

The media have already written dozens of negative articles about our chances but the one positive thing we, Souths and other clubs do they don't report because most of their sponsors are the betting agencies. It's crazy how much influence they have. Which is why moves like this are important.

 

[UmoGus]

They mustve taken this stance based on the survey sent to members last month

 

[D- voice]

It’s a good move but we are also sponsored by a leagues club & hotel chain both full of pokies which do a hell of a lot of damage to people and their families

That was the first thing I thought of.
Slightly hypocritical?
No-one likes to see damage done by addiction but we can’t act like cleanskins when a big source of our footy club funding comes from those very products.

In theory you are right boys but there are great differences, TV advertising is constantly reminding people about gambling, it reminds us to go to our apps and easily place bets while exposing and brainwashing children into believing it's part of life, on the other hand you have to be 18 years or over before you are allowed to enter the gambling section of a pub or a club !!!

 

[BELMORE]

It’s a good move but we are also sponsored by a leagues club & hotel chain both full of pokies which do a hell of a lot of damage to people and their families

Pokies aren’t promoted in predatory ways. The way gambling companies have infiltrated society has been a very thought out, long-term strategy. Pokies are there. The most exposure you get is driving past the VIP lounge signs. Sportsbet, NEDS tab are predators

 

[Cappuccino]

They’ve infiltrated society. It’s part of the fabric of being Australian. The past 5/10 years have been insane, they’re marketing, products are just everywhere. They must spend so much on that sort of stuff.

the latest one I’ve seen is the Tab green zone, trying to get people back in person at the TAB. They push out new shit so often it’s crazy.

Sportsbet alone are a top 5 media spender in this country once you add digital and sponsorship spend.

Australia’s largest online bookmaker spent $139 million on advertising and sponsorship in 2020, according to an investor presentation by its UK owner Flutter on Wednesday.

Woolies
Coles
Harvey Norman
Federal Gov
Sportsbet

 

[Cappuccino]

Pokies aren’t promoted in predatory ways. The way gambling companies have infiltrated society has been a very thought out, long-term strategy. Pokies are there. The most exposure you get is driving past the VIP lounge signs. Sportsbet, NEDS tab are predators

Part of that strategy is to extract the spend from the pokies into their pockets too.

As you say, its calculated & long term strategy.

 

[DinkumDog]

In theory you are right boys but there are great differences, TV advertising is constantly reminding people about gambling, it reminds us to go to our apps and easily place bets while exposing and brainwashing children into believing it's part of life, on the other hand you have to be 18 years or over before you are allowed to enter the gambling section of a pub or a club !!!

I pretty much don’t watch any FTA TV so maybe I’m desensitised. I’ve got no issue with certain restrictions ie: gambling ads only allowed after a certain hour or limited to when events are on.

You have to be 18 to bet on an app - you agree to this with T/C’s on sign up. If under 18’s are betting and have access to credit I’d suggest the problem is bigger than ads and perhaps related to their environment.

Absolutely let’s be responsible but just as I respect people’s choice to not have a bet or a drink watching the footy, I don’t expect to be judged because I might choose to do that.

Personal responsibility plays a huge role here too. Why are we always looking for someone else to blame?

 

[Spoonman84]

This just looks like a cheap publicity stunt to me when you still get the majority of your money from gambling. Taking people to the cleaners in the pokie room is all good but don’t dare put a multi on the footy according to the Dogs. They would have been better keeping quite instead of grandstanding on something like this.