Opinion Unprofessionalism Culls Rebuild

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Why would we get compensation for players we don't want?
Exactly the whole reason we do it is to get them off our books. Compensation as in a player swap? that would completely defeat the purpose of offloading in the first place
 

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Exactly the whole reason we do it is to get them off our books. Compensation as in a player swap? that would completely defeat the purpose of offloading in the first place
Mate we have 15 players or so off contract this was the perfect time to actually atleast try and get someone that would strengthen one of our weak spots.
 

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I have to say this board does seem vastly different from the previous two boards.

Dib got us into this mess

Lyn and Chris Anderson were all talk and added to the mess.

This board is cleaning it up
Except for releasing Smith and DWZ with nothing to show for it
 

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Except for releasing Smith and DWZ with nothing to show for it
Smith wasn't performing for us and from reports there were attitude problems.

Dwz mate 880k is ridiculous. Dallins problems under the high ball were plenty at Penrith, so I've got NFI what the last board were doing offering him that much. And we are getting something from it, we're freeing up salary cap room for some of the moves going on behind behind scenes. People need to be patient and just wait and see what eventuates.

At the very least we are not overpaying (cotric was the previous board). Flanagan and burton have both come relatively cheap, when you consider the market for those positions.
 

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We sign the wrong players and we pay overs for them, that’s been the issue. We get DWZ from NSW cup and he ends up on a deal worth $600-$800k depending on who you believe. Sign Woods instead of Tedesco or Moses and because he’s Klemmers mate. Put a decent deal to Mbye because he’s got potential. The board was even going to bring Reynolds back. These are terrible decisions which we end up paying for.
 

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Mate we have 15 players or so off contract this was the perfect time to actually atleast try and get someone that would strengthen one of our weak spots.
Yea I get what your saying but when you are trying to offload a player still under a contract us as the club don’t have the upper hand in those situations
 

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And theres no two ways about it, you need good juniors and a proper development path set up to be successful with the salary cap.

Without that, there's no chance in managing the cap
 

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Gus Gould has it right. You don’t/shouldn’t win competitions by trying to buy players. You should develop juniors, have a strong feeder system and then as the great Joey Johns says, there should be cash breaks to ensure you can hold onto the talent developed.
The last decade has been about buying players
When a team has a culture that develops and nurtures winners, like the Storm, they don’t have to pay overs when the rare time comes that they need to buy coverage in a position. I heard something the other day where the last time the Storm purchased a ‘marquee’ player before Xavier Coates, it was Michael Crocker.
We can talk about the ‘war chest’ all day long but that’s not going to deliver us a premiership. It might slip us into the finals but it won’t beat the top 6 teams running around right now. If we buy Brandon Smith, and don’t get me wrong - he’s a great player - but we will pay him $900K per season and he simply not worth that. If we go for Finucane, and let’s not forget we got rid of him to the Storm when he was mediocre and they turned him into a force of nature - we will offer him $2m for 3 seasons.
Offloading DWZ was the right move. Not because it’s smart to throw $400K in the bin to watch him play for another team, but because he’s not worth $800K per season and should never have been signed for that in the first place.
Once we develop a culture of winning and bringing through juniors as we did when Chris Anderson and Bullfrog Moore were around, we will have to either work with what we have or wait for the right players at the right price.
 

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Gus Gould has it right. You don’t/shouldn’t win competitions by trying to buy players. You should develop juniors, have a strong feeder system and then as the great Joey Johns says, there should be cash breaks to ensure you can hold onto the talent developed.
The last decade has been about buying players
When a team has a culture that develops and nurtures winners, like the Storm, they don’t have to pay overs when the rare time comes that they need to buy coverage in a position. I heard something the other day where the last time the Storm purchased a ‘marquee’ player before Xavier Coates, it was Michael Crocker.
We can talk about the ‘war chest’ all day long but that’s not going to deliver us a premiership. It might slip us into the finals but it won’t beat the top 6 teams running around right now. If we buy Brandon Smith, and don’t get me wrong - he’s a great player - but we will pay him $900K per season and he simply not worth that. If we go for Finucane, and let’s not forget we got rid of him to the Storm when he was mediocre and they turned him into a force of nature - we will offer him $2m for 3 seasons.
Offloading DWZ was the right move. Not because it’s smart to throw $400K in the bin to watch him play for another team, but because he’s not worth $800K per season and should never have been signed for that in the first place.
Once we develop a culture of winning and bringing through juniors as we did when Chris Anderson and Bullfrog Moore were around, we will have to either work with what we have or wait for the right players at the right price.
although we did win comps in 1984, 85 & 88 by buying the right players, but harder these days.
 

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We sign the wrong players and we pay overs for them, that’s been the issue. We get DWZ from NSW cup and he ends up on a deal worth $600-$800k depending on who you believe. Sign Woods instead of Tedesco or Moses and because he’s Klemmers mate. Put a decent deal to Mbye because he’s got potential. The board was even going to bring Reynolds back. These are terrible decisions which we end up paying for.
Pay wanted Reynolds back, the board wouldn't allow it. I'm bias, but for close to minimum wage (quoted by Pay) for a club legend (imo, probably unpopular opinion but w.e.) who would or brought experience into the spine I would of been down (similar to Tigers and Benji), but it depends on the details of course.
 

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Woods
Klemmer
Mbye
DWZ
Reynolds
RSmith

How many players have we actually released early and not have any form of compensation and in most cases paid a large portion of their contract?

We are acting like the paupers of the league and getting stepped on as such. When will we start growing a backbone again
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Reynolds ?

His contract had finished with Canterbury
 

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Yeah they are the exception with the best junior nursery in the league
The Newcastle situation is just an example of the contempt in which we are held.
No Penrith are not the exception. ALL clubs are willing to pay freight in order to move a player on.

We had a bad run when we were paying for Woods, Mbye and Graham but if we are only paying freight on DWZ next year then that’s normal.

Keep in mind Penrith are paying freight on Hetherington this year and the Roosters are paying freight on Flanagan
 

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Rather get rid of them then keep them. That whole list is rubbish.
I wouldn’t say those players are rubbish. Those players are all first grade standard and all but r smith are rep or ex rep players. It’s just that we paid overs for them or they wanted more and then we had to let them go because of salary cap pressure.
 

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Woods
Klemmer
Mbye
DWZ
Reynolds
RSmith

How many players have we actually released early and not have any form of compensation and in most cases paid a large portion of their contract?

We are acting like the paupers of the league and getting stepped on as such. When will we start growing a backbone again
Easy beats on and off the field.
 

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Gus Gould has it right. You don’t/shouldn’t win competitions by trying to buy players. You should develop juniors, have a strong feeder system and then as the great Joey Johns says, there should be cash breaks to ensure you can hold onto the talent developed.
The last decade has been about buying players
When a team has a culture that develops and nurtures winners, like the Storm, they don’t have to pay overs when the rare time comes that they need to buy coverage in a position. I heard something the other day where the last time the Storm purchased a ‘marquee’ player before Xavier Coates, it was Michael Crocker.
We can talk about the ‘war chest’ all day long but that’s not going to deliver us a premiership. It might slip us into the finals but it won’t beat the top 6 teams running around right now. If we buy Brandon Smith, and don’t get me wrong - he’s a great player - but we will pay him $900K per season and he simply not worth that. If we go for Finucane, and let’s not forget we got rid of him to the Storm when he was mediocre and they turned him into a force of nature - we will offer him $2m for 3 seasons.
Offloading DWZ was the right move. Not because it’s smart to throw $400K in the bin to watch him play for another team, but because he’s not worth $800K per season and should never have been signed for that in the first place.
Once we develop a culture of winning and bringing through juniors as we did when Chris Anderson and Bullfrog Moore were around, we will have to either work with what we have or wait for the right players at the right price.
He had no problems with it when he was at the Roosters, he just says whatever suits him at the time
 
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