It's a culture problem': Bulldogs breakdown - Where are they going wrong? | NRL 360 | Fox League

[D.O.W.]

Players, fans, lovers of the game and our club, would buy in more to Ciro if he was consistently making wise player selections and rotations to enable his new club defensive strategies.

The injuries and current player footy IQ's are out of his hands but just like the players dont seem to trust the guys defending next to them, then people are going to question CC coaching when he constantly picks the mistake riddled players who dont defend well enough, often drop the ball in crucial field position or are just plain reserve graders.

Next year we surely, both players and coaching staff, can take something well learnt out of this annus horribilus

Agree with this Wendy, for a smart bloke, he’s made really stupid decisions regarding selections and rotations. Personally, I think it’s by design - he is trying to set standards which is rewarding players training hard and I don’t think he cares about the result… maybe it’s a master stroke for years to come?

 

[Chris Harding]

Have to say, that I agree with everything that the panel had to say, including Rothfield. They were honest in their appraisal of the team, and had the best intentions for us in what they said.

 

[Natboy]

One thing I agree I’m is that if players can’t handle the system at training piss off. We don’t need pussys at the Dogs, man up.

Just like the posters on the kennel

 

[Moedogg]

I wonder at what point did our standards of fitness actually drop? Was it during the Des Era or Moore? or towards the end of Folksey's tenure?

I know Des just let Kas balloon out but Des himself was a fitness freak.

 

[wendog33]

Agree with this Wendy, for a smart bloke, he’s made really stupid decisions regarding selections and rotations. Personally, I think it’s by design - he is trying to set standards which is rewarding players training hard and I don’t think he cares about the result… maybe it’s a master stroke for years to come?

Yeah but in the meantime the club and fans (and appears players) are left in tatters hoping he has it right. Big gamble.

Can't help but feel there is a more professional way of achieving change...but maybe not.

 

[Moedogg]

I still can't believe Brent Read had to break it down and explain to the drunk how pathways work. It's embarrassing that a career league journalist still couldn't grasp it.

 

[wendog33]

Agree with this Wendy, for a smart bloke, he’s made really stupid decisions regarding selections and rotations. Personally, I think it’s by design - he is trying to set standards which is rewarding players training hard and I don’t think he cares about the result… maybe it’s a master stroke for years to come?

Our club have seen so many of these types of coaching decisions....play the great trainer but those guys are probably the most responsible for the game loss.

 

[D.O.W.]

I wonder at what point did our standards of fitness actually drop? Was it during the Des Era or Moore? or towards the end of Folksey's tenure?

I know Des just let Kas balloon out but Des himself was a fitness freak.

No doubt the fittest teams have coaches who were and still are fitness freaks themselves… from all accounts, Bellamy is in the Steve Folks mould, still does triathlons….

 

[D.O.W.]

Yeah but in the meantime the club and fans (and appears players) are left in tatters hoping he has it right. Big gamble.

Can't help but feel there is a more professional way of achieving change...but maybe not.

Extending Des was the first big mistake, he was stale void of new ideas and we still extended him…but Bazz was a monumental mistake, not a hard work guy, his style was more becoming mates with his players which doesn’t generate respect, it’s not how it works unfortunately….Potter was a welcomed change because he wasn’t telling them they were awesome even when they were winning games, he started setting higher standards. it takes a little while to adjust to a style, high standards and develop a winning culture… We also naturally gravitate to the negative stuff because we’re not regularly winning but our wins this year have been top notch and in most cases, under massive amounts of adversity.

 

[dogwhisperer]

Players, fans, lovers of the game and our club, would buy in more to Ciro if he was consistently making wise player selections and rotations to enable his new club defensive strategies.

The injuries and current player footy IQ's are out of his hands but just like the players dont seem to trust the guys defending next to them, then people are going to question CC coaching, and maybe latently the players?, when he constantly picks the mistake riddled players who dont defend well enough, often drop the ball in crucial field position or are just plain reserve graders when we have had forward and FB options.

Next year we surely, both players and coaching staff, can take something well learnt out of this annus horribilus

For the millionth time, Ciro does not have much depth in the playing roster to pick from. We have seen it over and over again, we gave other players a go and they are worse than the ones who were first picked. We have used and tried 34 players in FG this year, he's given everyone a go. We just don't have the depth and quality to call upon players when needed. It's pretty obvious.

There's only one player who was given too long of a chance in FG that I disagree with Ciro about and that is Perham. Besides he is a back, our issues are the muscle we lack in the middle forwards.

 

[John Matrix]

Culture sucks - I've know this from the start, hence why I have always wanted to get a specialist coach to get their heads right. When you feel down and out no amount of work can get you in shape if your heads off.

If players can't handle it work harder, you don't like it than you're not fit for the NRL.

Problems are many and fans are fed up with it, should have been sorted out after Des - no excuses and thats on the management of the past and the current to address.

 

[wendog33]

For the millionth time, Ciro does not have much depth in the playing roster to pick from. We have seen it over and over again, we gave other players a go and they are worse than the ones who were first picked. We have used and tried 34 players in FG this year, he's given everyone a go. We just don't have the depth and quality to call upon players when needed. It's pretty obvious.

There's only one player who was given too long of a chance in FG that I disagree with Ciro about and that is Perham. Besides he is a back, our issues are the muscle we lack in the middle forwards.

For the millionth time most of us say that there were/are better options than Okunbor and Perham.

 

[Malla]

It's not a culture problem. Its a personnel problem.

Dogs are trying to instill a culture and the current playing group (majority) are not up to scratch. As a club, what do you do, fold to the players and make them happy or push forward with your culture expectations and replace those can't handle it with those that can? I know which one Gus and CC are going for.

 

[wendog33]

It's not a culture problem. Its a personnel problem.

Dogs are trying to instill a culture and the current playing group (majority) are not up to scratch. As a club, what do you do, fold to the players and make them happy or push forward with your culture expectations and replace those can't handle it with those that can? I know which one Gus and CC are going for.

No problem with that at all say all our fans

 

[Malla]

No problem with that at all say all our fans

Same fans that call Avo shit, then he makes 1 line break and scores and want us to offer him a mil a season.

Thank god theyre just fans lol

 

[wendog33]

No problem with that at all say all our fans

It's not a culture problem. Its a personnel problem.

Dogs are trying to instill a culture and the current playing group (majority) are not up to scratch. As a club, what do you do, fold to the players and make them happy or push forward with your culture expectations and replace those can't handle it with those that can? I know which one Gus and CC are going for.

Honest question:
Preston is the only one who puts in a consistently high performance tho. The rest are up and down and/or lazy/can't handle it. Who else are we replacing to instill a better culture if the current playing group (majority) are not up to scratch.

 

[Bob dog]

Dogs haven't fielded their best team in the right positions all season.

 

[wendog33]

Dogs haven't fielded their best team in the right positions all season.

We still haven't selected the best of what's available in the right positions all season.

 

[Bob dog]

We still haven't selected the best of what's available in the right positions all season.

Not to mention shit bench selections

 

[dogwhisperer]

For the millionth time most of us say that there were/are better options than Okunbor and Perham.

First of all I already agreed with Perham. Secondly, the players in reserve grade are actually worse than Okunbor. There is an absolute massive difference between NSW cup and the NRL. Whether he picks the players you want will not change how many games we've won.

"Players, fans, lovers of the game and our club, would buy in more to Ciro if he was consistently making wise player selections and rotations to enable his new club defensive strategies."

This is your quote, his defensive strategies won't work when replacing shit with shit. We don't have the players, and with the small amount of experienced players we do have, unfortunately most haven't played much footy or none at all, Kikau, Thompson etc etc.