Who to keep from roster

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COVID has made a mess of sports all over the World. Surely there would be rugby players who could come over & play better than what we currently have? Why have we got that All Blacks fella helping Trent out for? Surely there are a thousand players over in the land of the Kiwis that would play better than what we have & at least show more desire. What bout PNG, the islands & South Africa? Plenty of white people fleeing South Africa at the moment surely there are some players there.

Look outside the box!

NB. I just mentioned white SA players because the whites are the ones fleeing. I don't care what someone's racial background is, if they are a good player I want them!
 

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keep.. bulldog for life PLEASE.!! End of.
 

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Thankfully Burton will be one such player that you can throw the ball to and let him create something for himself or others. But we definitely need more. Which is why Dufty and Clark would be so handy in the spine.

We've been running with 29 all year and you could even flirt with 28 so you don't have to have a 30 man squad which gives you some flexibility for mid season signings.

Our main issue for the last few seasons has been wasted top 30 spots on players who were never a chance of playing FG that could have been better used on other juniors/development players on a minimum NRL contract that were more likely to contribute right away if called upon. Prime example is Topine not being in the top 30 when he's beeb our best junior coming through for the last few years.
A spine of
1 Dufty
6 Burto
7 Flano
9 Clarke
At least has some points in it. Especially if you add some grunt up front and the Fox on the sting. Blokes like Rudolf and Naden may help as well. But team still lacks size, experience and a hard edge.
 

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Lets face it we will have to keep some of these guys because of the salary cap and i dont think they will get much if any offers from elsewhere so with that case I would keep Atoni, okunbour, meany only if they take close to minimum wage. Otherwise may as buy minimum wage players/ promote others. They do offer a little bit of experience and some room to improve still.
 

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You're missing his point. That's close to what they're currently earning with us and that will come off the cap next season. Replace all three with minimum wage players/juniors and you generate 550k in cap space.
I agree with the accounting side of it, but I worry about what we get for that amount. Like everyone I am so over mediocrity and moronic thinking in our squad.

Not getting 6 blokes to the scrum in 30sec? Seriously?
 

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I agree with the accounting side of it, but I worry about what we get for that amount. Like everyone I am so over mediocrity and moronic thinking in our squad.

Not getting 6 blokes to the scrum in 30sec? Seriously?
I know.. The lack of urgency, effort, pride and footy IQ has been alarming for a few years now. It's as if most of them have had lobotomies.

That's what makes Topine so impressive. He's not an elite talent but his work rate, energy and effort stands out compared to almost everyone else but DWZ and Thompson.
 

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Not getting 6 blokes to the scrum in 30sec? Seriously?
With Hetherington off we only had to get 5 into the scrum. It's impossible to tell from the video because the stupid twats were showing the crowd while the scrum was packing but there were definitely 5 players walking away. As soon as I heard that Perenara replaced by Klein I knew that were were going to get screwed.

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With Hetherington off we only had to get 5 into the scrum. It's impossible to tell from the video because the stupid twats were showing the crowd while the scrum was packing but there were definitely 5 players walking away. As soon as I heard that Perenara replaced by Klein I knew that were were going to get screwed.

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We barely got two players to the scrum.. It was less than a minute before half time and before Hetherington got sent off.

The dunces showed no urgency with a golden opportunity to stop the clock with a set 20 out from their line, wasted about twenty seconds and then Averillo put a stupid kick in that was never going to work. It was the epitome of how to fuck up clock management and sums up the lack of footy IQ of our team.
 

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We barely got two players to the scrum.. It was less than a minute before half time and before Hetherington got sent off.

The dunces showed no urgency with a golden opportunity to stop the clock with a set 20 out from their line, wasted about twenty seconds and then Averillo put a stupid kick in that was never going to work. It was the epitome of how to fuck up clock management and sums up the lack of footy IQ of our team.
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There's 5 players plus the half walking away from the scrum penalty @ 67 mins and Hetherington was sent off @ 55 mins. The play by play calls it as a penalty against Topine. Note the red rectangle which signifies the clock expiring.

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There's 5 players plus the half walking away from the scrum penalty @ 67 mins and Hetherington was sent off @ 55 mins. The play by play calls it as a penalty against Topine.

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The incident most people are referring to was right before half time where as I already said, most players didn't care to pack the scrum to stop the clock. It was with 50 seconds remaining in the first half. I'm sure you watched the game and would remember the play?
 

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No idea what his contract position is but I’d pull out all stops to get JWH for 2 years
He’s everything we need in the pack and would do for us what Kelly and Mortimer did for Penrith when they went there
Off field, on field, training, leadership, mongrel, go forward, intimidation
Most important player in the Roosters 3 premierships in the last decade, as a whole package of the 3 together
Youngsters could learn a lot from him in his twilight years while he would also bring instant respect to the pack
 

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No idea what his contract position is but I’d pull out all stops to get JWH for 2 years
He’s everything we need in the pack and would do for us what Kelly and Mortimer did for Penrith when they went there
Off field, on field, training, leadership, mongrel, go forward, intimidation
Most important player in the Roosters 3 premierships in the last decade, as a whole package of the 3 together
Youngsters could learn a lot from him in his twilight years while he would also bring instant respect to the pack
If the price was right I agree, JWH along with Finucane would provide starch along with experience from two of the most successful systems of the last 10 odd years
 

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There's 5 players plus the half walking away from the scrum penalty @ 67 mins and Hetherington was sent off @ 55 mins. The play by play calls it as a penalty against Topine. Note the red rectangle which signifies the clock expiring.

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red rectangle is the red card isn't it? Regardless, we were tardy enough to give the ref an opportunity to screw us.

Pack in less than 30sec...not hard.
 

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The incident most people are referring to was right before half time where as I already said, most players didn't care to pack the scrum to stop the clock. It was with 50 seconds remaining in the first half. I'm sure you watched the game and would remember the play?
I was talking about the penalty, but equally as damning is the scrum you mentioned.

I guess the issue being, ok we rush to the scrum and stop the clock...do we really have the attacking brains to do anything but 5 bumbling trots at the defence, then a nothing kick or kill it with another bumbling trot at the defence. Still, baby steps
 

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It is worth keeping in mind that there are 30 contracted players out of which only 13 are guaranteed to play NRL any given week plus 4 with a reasonable chance that they will play. The other 13 are back ups or backs ups to the back ups. Replacing a $115k player (NRL minimum) with another $115k player doesn't save any Cap space. We can't get rid of 2 x $115k players and replace them with 1 x $230k player, because we still need to have 30 players. A lot of the players people keep wanting to get rid of are back ups to the back ups and on minimum or close to minimum contracts, like Crichton, SKatoa, or Roumanos who isn't even a back up to the back up.

To free up Cap space (which is the only thing that is relevant) we need to look at players in positions that command well above the minimum, spine obviously being top of that list, then specialists like prop and centre. Ogden is a prime example, he's a prop and commanding prop money which currently he doesn't deserve. He isn't doing the job as a bench player or even as a back up. Atoni similarly, right now he isn't justifying the Cap space that he consumes, sure he's playing OK'ish occasionally, but he's on far from the minimum so there is a lot (of Cap space) to be gained by moving him on. Conversely Meaney who is a very decent back up for full back or wing. Then there are players who may well be back ups right now, but they may just well be regular NRL players in the not too distant future, Okunbor is an example of that, they are worth keeping on potential, but be prepared to cut them loose when they aren't.

Our issue as I see it right now is we don't have any real gun players, the ones you just give the ball to and know they can create something out of nothing. The inspirations that lift the players around them. We need at least 2 of them, preferably in spine positions. And flicking a back up to the back up on the minimum is not going to help one bit in securing them (because you have to replace them with another back up to the back up on the minimum).

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Spot on spend big on 15 players and keep the rest on min wage fuck depth
 

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Atoni - Keep
Britt - Toodeloo
Crichton - Toodeloo
Hopoate - Toodeloo
S. Katoa - Toodeloo
T. Katoa - Toodeloo
Lewis - keep, nsw cup only on bare minimum (depth)
JMK - keep, nsw cup only on bare minimum (depth)
Meaney - Keep - depth
Napa - Toodeloo
Ogden - Toodeloo
Okunbor - Keep - depth
Roumanos - Toodeloo
Seumanufagai - Keep - depth
Smith - Toodeloo

Current off contract players i would bring in
Finucane
Isaac Liu
Toby Rudolf (definitely not on dumb numbers like cotric dumb)
Angus Crichton
Xavier Coates
Brent Naden (not on dumb numbers)
Matthew Dufty (not on dumb numbers)
 

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Atoni - Keep
Britt - Toodeloo
Crichton - Toodeloo
Hopoate - Toodeloo
S. Katoa - Toodeloo
T. Katoa - Toodeloo
Lewis - keep, nsw cup only on bare minimum (depth)
JMK - keep, nsw cup only on bare minimum (depth)
Meaney - Keep - depth
Napa - Toodeloo
Ogden - Toodeloo
Okunbor - Keep - depth
Roumanos - Toodeloo
Seumanufagai - Keep - depth
Smith - Toodeloo

Current off contract players i would bring in
Finucane
Isaac Liu
Toby Rudolf (definitely not on dumb numbers like cotric dumb)
Angus Crichton
Xavier Coates
Brent Naden (not on dumb numbers)
Matthew Dufty (not on dumb numbers)
Dufty is an interesting one. He has got spark but we have big numbers tied up in our outside backs next year (therefore rule out Coates).

If we cant move on either Allan or DWZ I cant see us signing any other outside backs apart from Naden. We have Cotric, DWZ and JAC all on elite money for outside backs.
 

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Dufty is an interesting one. He has got spark but we have big numbers tied up in our outside backs next year (therefore rule out Coates).

If we cant move on either Allan or DWZ I cant see us signing any other outside backs apart from Naden. We have Cotric, DWZ and JAC all on elite money for outside backs.
That is true and dissapointing that once again we have big money tied up in the wrong players - DWZ & Cotric
 

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Achievable. 2022
1. DWZ
2. Okunbur
3.Cotric
4. Naden #
5.Fox
6. Burton
7.Reynolds#

8. Thompson
9. Clarke #
10. Rudolph #
11. RFM
12. Elliott
13. Atoni

14. Topine
15. Bunty #
16. Hetherington
17. Jackson ( only because he will be there)

Depth
18. Allan ( covers 1-5)
19. Averillo ( covers 1-7)
20. Schoup
21. Flanagan ( because we are stuck with him.
22. Waddell
23. Stimpson because we are stuck with him

Shop
Flanagan, Wakeman

Release
Ogden/ Ava
Smith
Britt
Lewis
Hoppa
Nappa
JMK
Both Katoas
Roumanos

Development
Alomoti

We got Flanagan and Burton reasonably cheap for spine players. So go all out for Reynolds,
Reynolds and Burton’s kicking games would be immense for us. This squad could compete with the heavy weights.
 
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