I think 2019 if we make the 8 we have overachieved. this is based on not getting too much from Foran. if he surprises I'll expect top 8. 2020 probably not a big difference as we really don't have cap to fill gaps, but with extra exp in players such as Lewis and Smith and maybe a breakout from Ogden or Toomaga I think bottom of the 8 should be expected. it'll be 21/22 before we compete for top 4 and title.