The Real Outcomes of BLM

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The majority of these black people were criminals holding weapons, pointing weapons at police, threatening police, threatening the public or a combination of both.

The leading cause of death for black American men under the age of 44 is homicide at the hands of another black man. Why does no one want to solve this problem?

The leading cause of death for young white american men under 44 is traffic accidents. It is NOT homicide at the hands of another white man.

We should be solving the issue of violence and homicide in the black community particularly amongst black men. I am totally for this cause if people actually tried to solve the problem instead of pretending that it's all about 'racism' and the colour of people's skin.


In 2019 - 250 black people were killed in America by police. Only 14 of these people were unarmed. Yes, in a country of 330 million people, only 14 blacks were unarmed and killed by police. As a fact, innocent black people are not randomly shot by cops in the streets.

In 2019 - 403 white people were killed in America by police. Only 25 of these people were unarmed.

So actually based on these figures, police are more likely to kill an unarmed white person than an unarmed black person.

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In 2018 there were 5,723 homicides in America.

2,698 of these homicides were committed by black/african americans
- (47% of all homicides are committed by blacks despite them only representing approx 15% of the US population)
2,755 of these homicides were committed by white americans
- (48% of all homicides are committed by whites who represent approx 60% of the US population)

Based on these figures, blacks are approx 3-4x more likely based on their population to commit homicide than whites.

Personally I don't think anyone commits crime because of the colour of their skin. But there is a clearly a violence and crime issue within black america that needs to be solved.

I would happily go and march and protest if people actually had a cause which would solve this issue, instead of BLM which pretends to solve issues for black americans but will never accomplish this since their mission is more around the installation of political marxism with a light touch on police violence (which is not a big issue).



People are so blind to the issues because they've been convinced that anyone with black skin can only be a victim and not a villian.

Jacob Blake for example has credible allegations of rape against him. But people are holding a rapist up as a hero because he has black skin.
the leading cause of black men killing other black men is 400 years ago black men were kidnapped by white men and forced to work for them for 250 years and then white people fought a war to decide if they should continue forcing them to work as slaves, then they were lynched, forced to other areas of the country and left with nothing, plus white people were trying to prove that they were better off as slaves so they conspired to keep them down

why does nobody want to solve this problem?, every black person should receive 100 years of back pay (lets say $4.1m each) this will solve the problem completely, in fact police will then switch to shooting white people who suddenly feel like they want to rob black people
 

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If they are shot in unjustified circumstances. Yes its a problem.

If the person holding the gun is racist. Yes its a problem.

Is it a problem if some police treat minorities with bias. Yes it is.

Do these need to be addressed. Yes they do. Police recruitment reform, police training reform, education reform, public housing reform. Alot of aspects need to be addressed.

My argument stands. There are alot more positive interactions with police amd minority communities than negative ones. They dont get reported. Why, it doesn't make money for media outlets. The clicks received and revenue raised of bad news (whatever that may be) are much higher than good news. In this type of scenario, it creates a false narrarive that police (white, black, asian, Hispanic) are all racist slobs on a powet trip.

Same can be said about the good minority communities do. Eg Muslims in Australia. They do soo much chairty and community work. The majority are hard working contributors. But the media rather focus on the minority. They are terrorists or gangsters. That isnt fair or isnt a fair representation of reality.
I have always said that if all Muslims were bad then there would be no people left on the earth as the Muslims would have wiped us all out. If all cops were bad then there would be 1,000 police shootings per day.
 

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the leading cause of black men killing other black men is 400 years ago black men were kidnapped by white men and forced to work for them for 250 years and then white people fought a war to decide if they should continue forcing them to work as slaves, then they were lynched, forced to other areas of the country and left with nothing, plus white people were trying to prove that they were better off as slaves so they conspired to keep them down

why does nobody want to solve this problem?, every black person should receive 100 years of back pay (lets say $4.1m each) this will solve the problem completely, in fact police will then switch to shooting white people who suddenly feel like they want to rob black people
Sometimes it seems like you're trolling, other times it seems like you've got a warped view of things.

I'll justify you with a response though:

Slavery is not the reason why black men are shooting each other at rates far exceeding other races in America (per capita).

FYI the cost of your suggestion is $192,000,000,000,000.00

Also, which blacks qualify for this cash under your suggestion. Do you have to have purely black parentage? How about blacks with a white Mum and a black Dad? How about blacks with two black parents but the grandparents are half black and half white?

How about the huge number of middle class blacks already doing well with decent jobs and homes in peaceful neighbourhoods.
 

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The majority of these black people were criminals holding weapons, pointing weapons at police, threatening police, threatening the public or a combination of both.

The leading cause of death for black American men under the age of 44 is homicide at the hands of another black man. Why does no one want to solve this problem?

The leading cause of death for young white american men under 44 is traffic accidents. It is NOT homicide at the hands of another white man.

We should be solving the issue of violence and homicide in the black community particularly amongst black men. I am totally for this cause if people actually tried to solve the problem instead of pretending that it's all about 'racism' and the colour of people's skin.


In 2019 - 250 black people were killed in America by police. Only 14 of these people were unarmed. Yes, in a country of 330 million people, only 14 blacks were unarmed and killed by police. As a fact, innocent black people are not randomly shot by cops in the streets.

In 2019 - 403 white people were killed in America by police. Only 25 of these people were unarmed.

So actually based on these figures, police are more likely to kill an unarmed white person than an unarmed black person.

Further:


In 2018 there were 5,723 homicides in America.

2,698 of these homicides were committed by black/african americans
- (47% of all homicides are committed by blacks despite them only representing approx 15% of the US population)
2,755 of these homicides were committed by white americans
- (48% of all homicides are committed by whites who represent approx 60% of the US population)

Based on these figures, blacks are approx 3-4x more likely based on their population to commit homicide than whites.

Personally I don't think anyone commits crime because of the colour of their skin. But there is a clearly a violence and crime issue within black america that needs to be solved.

I would happily go and march and protest if people actually had a cause which would solve this issue, instead of BLM which pretends to solve issues for black americans but will never accomplish this since their mission is more around the installation of political marxism with a light touch on police violence (which is not a big issue).



People are so blind to the issues because they've been convinced that anyone with black skin can only be a victim and not a villian.

Jacob Blake for example has credible allegations of rape against him. But people are holding a rapist up as a hero because he has black skin.
If only there were hundreds of books and articles that addressed that exact thing...










We even tried to discuss this here when you brought up black on black crime and we said, "Then we need to address the systemic racism that has lead to black on black crime" and you said that it doesn't exist and that there is no oppression in America.

If you refuse to accept that a problem exists then I don't know why you keep asking people to address the problem. It's almost as if you don't want the problem to be fixed, you just want to blame black people for everything.
 

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If you refuse to accept that a problem exists then I don't know why you keep asking people to address the problem. It's almost as if you don't want the problem to be fixed, you just want to blame black people for everything.

On the contrary, there is a significant issue, but you won't solve it by pretending the source of the issue is something called 'systemic racism'.

Also, black people are not entirely to blame for the issue. A big part of the issue is the democrat party (and some republicans) who pander to black people.
 

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On the contrary, there is a significant issue, but you won't solve it by pretending the source of the issue is something called 'systemic racism'.

Also, black people are not entirely to blame for the issue. A big part of the issue is the democrat party (and some republicans) who pander to black people.
I often find interest in what goes on in a person's head when they find ways to absolutely twist the truth to match their own bias. It's very interesting especially when it gets to the level of delusion.
 

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I often find interest in what goes on in a person's head when they find ways to absolutely twist the truth to match their own bias. It's very interesting especially when it gets to the level of delusion.
Nice platitudes but do you have anything of substance to talk about? Tell me more about why black people are only oppressed because of 'the white man' and how racist and oppressive America is.

Other ethnics in America have done just fine with some doing better on many metrics than the 'evil white man'.


The main things holding back black americans is the lack of personal responsibility for their own families and communities.

Black women have the highest ratio of abortions in America. They represent 14% of the childbearing population but account for 36% of all abortions. White women are five times less likely to have an abortion than black women.

57% of black children in america are growing up in a home without their father. This compares to 20% of white kids.

We've already spoken about the insane number of black on black murders.

Why is almost all black pop music these days sending awful messages to young blacks?

Why did Joe Biden choose 'Cardi B' for a 'political interview recently? Was it because he has such little respect for black people that he choose one of the most uneducated and ignorant blacks to get a softball interview?

If anyone wants to solve these problems they need to solve the crime problem first and foremost. You don't solve the crime problem unless you recognise that you have a problem and start policing your own communities and taking pride in where you live.
 

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Sometimes it seems like you're trolling, other times it seems like you've got a warped view of things.

I'll justify you with a response though:

Slavery is not the reason why black men are shooting each other at rates far exceeding other races in America (per capita).

FYI the cost of your suggestion is $192,000,000,000,000.00

Also, which blacks qualify for this cash under your suggestion. Do you have to have purely black parentage? How about blacks with a white Mum and a black Dad? How about blacks with two black parents but the grandparents are half black and half white?

How about the huge number of middle class blacks already doing well with decent jobs and homes in peaceful neighbourhoods.
thats not the total cost, you probably counted the black people who came to america since 1860, for example giannis antetokoumpo

actually $4.1m is not enough, make it $4.5m to cover for the rapes, murders, bad workplace safety regulations and whippings etc

middle class blacks and even lebron james will receive this payment, make it a family payment, the $4.5m is shared between family members over 18 years old

i guarantee this will solve the problem of black violence, the only remaining black on black violence might be internal family disputes over the $4.5m share
 

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Nice platitudes but do you have anything of substance to talk about? Tell me more about why black people are only oppressed because of 'the white man' and how racist and oppressive America is.

Other ethnics in America have done just fine with some doing better on many metrics than the 'evil white man'.


The main things holding back black americans is the lack of personal responsibility for their own families and communities.

Black women have the highest ratio of abortions in America. They represent 14% of the childbearing population but account for 36% of all abortions. White women are five times less likely to have an abortion than black women.

57% of black children in america are growing up in a home without their father. This compares to 20% of white kids.

We've already spoken about the insane number of black on black murders.

Why is almost all black pop music these days sending awful messages to young blacks?

Why did Joe Biden choose 'Cardi B' for a 'political interview recently? Was it because he has such little respect for black people that he choose one of the most uneducated and ignorant blacks to get a softball interview?

If anyone wants to solve these problems they need to solve the crime problem first and foremost. You don't solve the crime problem unless you recognise that you have a problem and start policing your own communities and taking pride in where you live.
Like I'm going to bother explaining something that has been explained to you 100 times already. You'll just do the same thing you always do. Deny it exists, or just ignore the response.

It would be easier if you just accepted that you don't like black people and move on.

Next topic.
 

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Nice platitudes but do you have anything of substance to talk about? Tell me more about why black people are only oppressed because of 'the white man' and how racist and oppressive America is.

Other ethnics in America have done just fine with some doing better on many metrics than the 'evil white man'.


The main things holding back black americans is the lack of personal responsibility for their own families and communities.

Black women have the highest ratio of abortions in America. They represent 14% of the childbearing population but account for 36% of all abortions. White women are five times less likely to have an abortion than black women.

57% of black children in america are growing up in a home without their father. This compares to 20% of white kids.

We've already spoken about the insane number of black on black murders.

Why is almost all black pop music these days sending awful messages to young blacks?

Why did Joe Biden choose 'Cardi B' for a 'political interview recently? Was it because he has such little respect for black people that he choose one of the most uneducated and ignorant blacks to get a softball interview?

If anyone wants to solve these problems they need to solve the crime problem first and foremost. You don't solve the crime problem unless you recognise that you have a problem and start policing your own communities and taking pride in where you live.
you are a racist person

you downplay the external situation that black people had to face, so your theory must be they are stupid, lazy, violent and/or have a mental disability, what else can it be?
 

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Like I'm going to bother explaining something that has been explained to you 100 times already. You'll just do the same thing you always do. Deny it exists, or just ignore the response.

It would be easier if you just accepted that you don't like black people and move on.

Next topic.
Systemic racism and institutional racism are nice buzz words that are so vague they can't actually be explained. Just because you use them doesn't mean they have any place in a rational debate when trying to solve social issues within the black community in America.
 

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Systemic racism and institutional racism are nice buzz words that are so vague they can't actually be explained. Just because you use them doesn't mean they have any place in a rational debate when trying to solve social issues within the black community in America.
Just accept it man. Accept that you don't like black people. Join the Dark Side... or in this case, the White side?
 

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Maxine Waters, her comments were definitely over the top. She never called for violence and rioting (Even though Trump swears she did), but her comments still were not good. She was heavily criticised for them even by CNN
Disagree with you here Hacky. As this forums dip shit is an example of the constant denial and continual perpetuating of ignorant racist rhetoric, the republican congressman behave the same way.

They're not interested in helping these people escape the barriers of systemic racism. They're quite happy with the status quo and are aware of the problems. Why do I say they're aware of the problems? Because there's a fuckload of conservative think tanks which are heavily funded in trying to direct public political discourse.

So given these evil fucktards are actively enshrining racist structures, the common people should make their lives as uncomfortable as possible.

And let's not forget the comparison, on one side we're talking about making their lives uncomfortable by refusing service at restaurants, hounding them in public, while on the flip side they're enacting and strengthening laws which are designed to persecute and lock up a targeted part of the population
 

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For the record, what I do believe black america does have enormous issues that need to be solved.

Economic
Cultural
Crime related

But they won't be solved by telling Black America that 100% of these problems are caused by police who are there to try and keep their cities and suburbs safe and decent places to live.
 

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you forgot to answer my question

if its got nothing to do with "evil white man", then why do black people find themselves in this situation if they arent stupid, lazy, violent or mentally unstable?
 

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Disagree with you here Hacky. As this forums dip shit is an example of the constant denial and continual perpetuating of ignorant racist rhetoric, the republican congressman behave the same way.

They're not interested in helping these people escape the barriers of systemic racism. They're quite happy with the status quo and are aware of the problems. Why do I say they're aware of the problems? Because there's a fuckload of conservative think tanks which are heavily funded in trying to direct public political discourse.

So given these evil fucktards are actively enshrining racist structures, the common people should make their lives as uncomfortable as possible.

And let's not forget the comparison, on one side we're talking about making their lives uncomfortable by refusing service at restaurants, hounding them in public, while on the flip side they're enacting and strengthening laws which are designed to persecute and lock up a targeted part of the population
I agree about the driving force behind her comments but to quote Michelle Obama, "When they go low, we go high"

It's about treating everyone equal regardless of their standing. And it's about not lowering yourself to their level.
 

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For the record, what I do believe black america does have enormous issues that need to be solved.

Economic
Cultural
Crime related

But they won't be solved by telling Black America that 100% of these problems are caused by police who are there to try and keep their cities and suburbs safe and decent places to live.
Ok Dawg. Whatever you say.
 

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I agree about the driving force behind her comments but to quote Michelle Obama, "When they go low, we go high"

It's about treating everyone equal regardless of their standing. And it's about not lowering yourself to their level.
Doesnt work though mate, that's my point. The example in this forum being this dipshit here. No one should be taking him seriously, nor giving him the time of day, he's not interested in reasoned debate, he's only interested in propagating his half cooked racist ideals.
 

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Doesnt work though mate, that's my point. The example in this forum being this dipshit here. No one should be taking him seriously, nor giving him the time of day, he's not interested in reasoned debate, he's only interested in propagating his half cooked racist ideals.
Exactly my point. If they won't accept the truth no matter how many times you tell them, then the more aggressive you get the more they want to fight back. Someone says, "I'm voting Trump" then you say, "Cool, that's your right to vote however you want"

And everyone moves on with their day. Some people vote Trump. Many angsty white teens choose not to vote just to spite the left and the world keeps revolving.
 

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Exactly my point. If they won't accept the truth no matter how many times you tell them, then the more aggressive you get the more they want to fight back. Someone says, "I'm voting Trump" then you say, "Cool, that's your right to vote however you want"

And everyone moves on with their day. Some people vote Trump. Many angsty white teens choose not to vote just to spite the left and the world keeps revolving.
That wasn't the case in 2016 though was it? They came out of the woodwork when they finally had someone to get behind, someone who's values matched theres
 
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