The Pork Barrelling/Rort Thread

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Both sides are just as bad...........



“Since Federation ... there has never been a time where the House has voted down a resolution after precedence was given – in more than 120 years that has never occurred,” he said.


But both sides.........................
 

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Crikey's view:

Exposing Christian Porter’s donors is so scary Morrison will do anything to avoid it
Why are Christian Porter and Scott Morrison so desperate to cover up the identity of Porter's donors? What power do they wield over the government sufficient it will do almost anything to protect them?

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The identity of Christian Porter’s anonymous donors for his disastrous attempt to sue the ABC is clearly an extraordinarily sensitive matter.
Porter has already wrecked his political career in order to keep their identities secret; his plan to simply declare he’d been handed the money and think that was good enough for disclosure purposes was deemed, even in the most corrupt federal government since Federation, to be not good enough.
Who are his donors? Prominent billionaires? Media moguls? Organised crime? The Chinese government? Vladimir Putin? Who knows. Not even Porter, he claims, and he doesn’t want to know.
It’s not just Porter who is hypersensitive about the exposure of his mystery donors. Yesterday we found out that Scott Morrison is too. He humiliated Speaker Tony Smith rather than allow Porter’s blind trust declaration to go to the House of Reps’ Privileges Committee. Smith had found that there was a prima facie case for Porter’s referral for a breach of the Reps’ resolution on the declaration of members’ interests. Of course Smith did, because it was blindingly obvious that Porter’s alteration to his register of interests created a perception of conflict of interest.

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Morrison prevented Porter’s referral, an unprecedented act — and richly symbolic of just how odiously corrupt and contemptuous of scrutiny this government is.
The Privileges Committee isn’t a senate committee, or chaired by an independent or an opposition MP. It’s chaired by a government MP — Russell Broadbent — and the government has the numbers on the 11-person committee. But even the prospect of Porter being examined by a Coalition-controlled committee was too much for Morrison.
Perhaps the prospect of Broadbent — a veteran MP of decency, substance and independence — chairing the inquiry filled the smirking, amoral vacuum we call a prime minister with horror, redoubling his pathological hatred of accountability.
Just who are Porter and Morrison protecting, sufficient that one will sacrifice his ministerial career and the other will throw his speaker under a bus? Why are their identities worth hiding at such great cost?
That, surely, is the most fascinating question in federal politics — not the climate policy circus of shit-flinging apes that is the National Party or Morrison’s latest effort to encourage everyone to forget the debacle of the vaccine rollout.
But it appears to be of zero fascination to much of the press gallery. The print media virtually ignored the overruling of Smith, despite its unprecedented nature and what it revealed about the government’s sensitivity about Porter’s donors.
Journalists, editors and producers still retain an institutional power to decide what qualifies as a “yarn”, and what doesn’t. And Morrison’s protection of Porter was deemed to be not yarn-worthy by newspapers — despite having all the ingredients of one, including a clear narrative of cover-up and political personalities.
Is it that the corruption and hatred of accountability that marks the Morrison government is now so routine that it doesn’t warrant coverage? That Morrison and his cronies are expected to behave this way, so it’s unremarkable when they do? Is this how corruption and cover-ups become normalised at the highest level of politics, with dozens of small decisions about what’s newsworthy in media bureaux?
Still, just because a question is ignored doesn’t make it go away: who are Porter and Morrison protecting at such cost, and why? What leverage or power do these donors have to elicit such protection? What else can they demand?
This is a thoroughly squalid government, the worst ever seen in Canberra. And its puppetmasters deserve outing.
 

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Stealing a Nation - How the UK & US Stole the Diego Garcia Island

 

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Stealing a Nation - How the UK & US Stole the Diego Garcia Island

It's a shame this report was exposed by John Pilger...that lefty reactionist whinger whom we can not possibly give any credence to.
 

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Sir John Chilcot's findings on the UK's involvement in the Iraq War

 

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It's a shame this report was exposed by John Pilger...that lefty reactionist whinger whom we can not possibly give any credence to.
I have had an opportunity to discuss international history and politics with John Pilger and I enjoyed it... but he lacks objectivity and a balanced approach --> when he decides to go after an issue or party, he goes full steam in one direction which a proper documentarian or journalist should not do

still, there is value in his work if you understand his bias... for example, I did not fully appreciate the extent of the nuclear testing the US carried out in the US Marshall Islands until watching his "Coming War on China" even though his overall "the West is orchestrating a war against China" was too simplistic

 

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I have had an opportunity to discuss international history and politics with John Pilger and I enjoyed it... but he lacks objectivity and a balanced approach --> when he decides to go after an issue or party, he goes full steam in one direction which a proper documentarian or journalist should not do

still, there is value in his work if you understand his bias... for example, I did not fully appreciate the extent of the nuclear testing the US carried out in the US Marshall Islands until watching his "Coming War on China" even though his overall "the West is orchestrating a war against China" was too simplistic

Appreciate what you are saying. He is a controversial, polarizing figure.

But we need these types of investigating, humanitarian, one-sided public vigilantes bc our media has dumbed down the availability of revealing, confronting information.

Any person who wants to examine a further appreciation of the wholeness of every issue affecting our lives atm, has to avail themselves of what is loosely termed left wing bleater sources. There is no other option bc our "news" is so manufactured and homogenized to suit the conservative "big pharma, big business, big tech, big media, big economics, big keep the masses uniformed, big BS agenda.

I am not a "lefty" (and many of conservatives who discuss issues with me in DM's on here will agree, I have hard line thoughts on personal responsibilities even more so than even they do) but I favour social justice and decency to our fellow human beings, no matter their circumstance...but they must be willing to help themselves by being proactive and help to determine they outcomes (where they have the opportunity to do so)...where they don't we have an obligation to assist them and set their course in life right.. There should be enough justice and good things in life to go around...even tho I am the poster child of boomer hard work and lucky privilege, I believe in universal fairness. We are privileged and should acknowledge that and be proactive in helping others to the terrible injustices.

That includes corrupt Govts...including our own if the shoe fits.
 

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Exactly the reason why we must hold whichever current Govt is in power to account and they must be prepared to submit to the deepest forensic investigative powers we the people can put to them....and finally put paid to each and every persons own personal political party loyalty, in the national interest, for the country's benefit NOT the party's.
 
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Maybe not pork barrelling but think this belongs here

Craig Kelly forgot to renew his domain name. Big mistake. (Warning: NSFW)

https://craigkellymp.com/
I clicked and yes I went straight to the porn section.

There was something about Craig, foosting and KFC that made me immediately realise - I need some professional help. :(
 

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Appreciate what you are saying. He is a controversial, polarizing figure.

But we need these types of investigating, humanitarian, one-sided public vigilantes bc our media has dumbed down the availability of revealing, confronting information.
of course we do... liberal and conservative, left and right, partisan and objective, mainstream media and social media platforms etc... I am a big fan in the dissemination of information and trusting people to come to their own conclusions as to their social, economic and political issues and interests, of history, of science, of race, of gender, of international relations, of global issues etc.

“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”
― George R.R. Martin, A Clash of Kings

(who'd have thought you could reference "Game of Thrones" in such a discussion)

Any person who wants to examine a further appreciation of the wholeness of every issue affecting our lives atm, has to avail themselves of what is loosely termed left wing bleater sources. There is no other option bc our "news" is so manufactured and homogenized to suit the conservative "big pharma, big business, big tech, big media, big economics, big keep the masses uniformed, big BS agenda.
I think that there is an industry of lies in the service of "big pharma, big business, big tech, big media, big economics, big keep the masses uniformed, big BS agenda" as well as the war industry that has crossed the ideological divide in parliaments across the Western world and so, those interests are forever furthered by politicians who have been incentivised to push the status quo

I am not a "lefty" (and many of conservatives who discuss issues with me in DM's on here will agree, I have hard line thoughts on personal responsibilities even more so than even they do) but I favour social justice and decency to our fellow human beings, no matter their circumstance...but they must be willing to help themselves by being proactive and help to determine they outcomes (where they have the opportunity to do so)...where they don't we have an obligation to assist them and set their course in life right.. There should be enough justice and good things in life to go around...even tho I am the poster child of boomer hard work and lucky privilege, I believe in universal fairness. We are privileged and should acknowledge that and be proactive in helping others to the terrible injustices.

That includes corrupt Govts...including our own if the shoe fits.
I was a lefty... I was a member of the ALP, of Young Labor, used to get invited to meet and greets at state Parliament, was mentored by a former member of Bob Carr's government etc... I guess the older you get, the more responsibilities you accumulate (ie. family, job, mortgage etc.), the less time and interest you have in these pursuits... to be fair, NSW Labor has been thoroughly incompetent and corrupt for years

I do not like social justice as those that usually argue it insert morality into the discussion and then claim the moral high ground and then, if you disagree or raise issues in response, then your own morality is questioned rather than responding to the issues you have raised (eg. defund the Police, BLM, gun control, pro-life vs pro-choice, rape culture, LGBTQ+ issues like same sex marriage, reparations, offense vs free speech, gender as a fact or social construct, migration, climate change etc.)

privilege is also a dangerous concept because it assumes advantages and disadvantages people enjoy or suffer on the basis of fixed characteristics (ie. race, ethnicity, skin colour, gender, sexual orientation etc.) but does not take into account the context and life experiences of the individuals in question... for example, I have had A FAR BETTER LIFE with FAR MORE OPPORTUNITIES than my father who was born in WWII in technically occupied Eastern Europe who as a Slav would have been viewed as Untermensch and saw things as a child that would send adult me straight to a therapist... in comparison, the worst thing that happened to me as a child was being forced by my parents to go to school (still haven't forgiven them though)... which begs the question, whatever good I have in my life, is it the result of some privilege I have due to a combination of my gender, sexual persuasion or skin complexion, or is it because a 25 year old living in desperate circumstances in a Communist country gambled that he could build a better life for himself and family by migrating to Australia?
 

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of course we do... liberal and conservative, left and right, partisan and objective, mainstream media and social media platforms etc... I am a big fan in the dissemination of information and trusting people to come to their own conclusions as to their social, economic and political issues and interests, of history, of science, of race, of gender, of international relations, of global issues etc.

“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”
― George R.R. Martin, A Clash of Kings

(who'd have thought you could reference "Game of Thrones" in such a discussion)



I think that there is an industry of lies in the service of "big pharma, big business, big tech, big media, big economics, big keep the masses uniformed, big BS agenda" as well as the war industry that has crossed the ideological divide in parliaments across the Western world and so, those interests are forever furthered by politicians who have been incentivised to push the status quo



I was a lefty... I was a member of the ALP, of Young Labor, used to get invited to meet and greets at state Parliament, was mentored by a former member of Bob Carr's government etc... I guess the older you get, the more responsibilities you accumulate (ie. family, job, mortgage etc.), the less time and interest you have in these pursuits... to be fair, NSW Labor has been thoroughly incompetent and corrupt for years

I do not like social justice as those that usually argue it insert morality into the discussion and then claim the moral high ground and then, if you disagree or raise issues in response, then your own morality is questioned rather than responding to the issues you have raised (eg. defund the Police, BLM, gun control, pro-life vs pro-choice, rape culture, LGBTQ+ issues like same sex marriage, reparations, offense vs free speech, gender as a fact or social construct, migration, climate change etc.)

privilege is also a dangerous concept because it assumes advantages and disadvantages people enjoy or suffer on the basis of fixed characteristics (ie. race, ethnicity, skin colour, gender, sexual orientation etc.) but does not take into account the context and life experiences of the individuals in question... for example, I have had A FAR BETTER LIFE with FAR MORE OPPORTUNITIES than my father who was born in WWII in technically occupied Eastern Europe who as a Slav would have been viewed as Untermensch and saw things as a child that would send adult me straight to a therapist... in comparison, the worst thing that happened to me as a child was being forced by my parents to go to school (still haven't forgiven them though)... which begs the question, whatever good I have in my life, is it the result of some privilege I have due to a combination of my gender, sexual persuasion or skin complexion, or is it because a 25 year old living in desperate circumstances in a Communist country gambled that he could build a better life for himself and family by migrating to Australia?
I guess it all boils down to your own moral values and ethics. There's many terms like social justice that we use to broadly delineate our values bc these days we all get marginalised and thrown into little boxes like lefty/righty/bleater/whinger/apologist/Govt excuser just to cause division.

It's crazy when we should be holding Govt corruption/decisions to account. Who can argue with that? Beats me.

People say the alternative is worse but that says don't let 50% of the public have a say in Govt. It doesn't make sense to me.

We are a free and fair democracy. People don't cherish that enough and have no tolerance for those that want to test another way.
 

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This looks promising. Not saying it will happen but at least the depravity of pork barrelling is being acknowledged.

Premier orders review of grants
Premier Dominic Perrottet has ordered a review of his government’s processes for awarding taxpayer-funded grants after his predecessor’s appearance at a corruption inquiry reignited controversy over pork-barrelling in marginal seats. Photo: Kate Geraghty
“Taxpayers expect the distribution of public funds will be fair – I share that expectation,” he said, distancing himself from Gladys Berejiklian’s comments that “we threw money at seats in order to keep them” and pork-barrelling is “not illegal”. A previous inquiry found a $252 million community grants scheme overwhelmingly favoured Coalition seats ahead of the last state election and had no application or assessment process.
Mr Perrottet said the review would produce new guidelines by April to ensure all grants “deliver value for public money and are robust in planning and design … transparency and accountability”. The ICAC also heard that Ms Berejiklian’s ex-boyfriend Daryl Maguire told her to get a private phone, but Mr Perrottet said he would wait for the ICAC to hand down its findings before considering new rules on private phones for MPs.
 

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Two-thirds of voters back federal corruption watchdog with stronger powers
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Written by James Massola and originally published in the Age on October 31

More than two-thirds of Australians support the creation of a powerful federal anti-corruption watchdog, with Coalition voters slightly more in favour than those who support other parties.
Changes designed to bolster the proposed watchdog’s powers look increasingly likely after criticism from legal experts and lobbying from Liberal MPs, with Attorney-General Michaelia Cash expected to bring a revised bill to cabinet within weeks.
Overall, 70 per cent of voters agreed with the need for a national integrity commission, while just 5 per cent disagreed and 25 per cent of voters were neutral or undecided.
Significantly, close to 70 per cent of voters also support a commission being able to independently decide when to investigate potential corruption and hold public hearings.
The results of the Resolve Political Monitor, conducted for The Sun-Herald and The Sunday Age by research company Resolve Strategic, will increase pressure on the federal government to deliver a watchdog with stronger powers just as Senator Cash finalises details of the draft legislation, which was a 2019 election promise from Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
The findings also come as former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian faced a grilling on Friday before the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption over her relationship with former state MP Daryl Maguire and his lobbying for projects in his former electorate.
The Resolve Political Monitor poll of 1603 voters was conducted from October 21 to 24.
Under the federal government’s model – dubbed the “weakest watchdog in the country” by the Centre for Public Integrity – the proposed Commonwealth Integrity Commission would not be able to launch its own investigations, hold public hearings, issue public findings or examine breaches of ministerial standards.
Liberal backbenchers Jason Falinski, Katie Allen and Dave Sharma told The Sun-Herald and The Sunday Age they were among the government MPs working closely with Senator Cash to strengthen the bill.
The MPs indicated the draft model would be improved to address concerns about its weaknesses and that it would be introduced before the end of the year. However, any changes will have to be signed off by cabinet and the party room.
Mr Falinski said the MPs wanted changes that included “anyone being able to forward a complaint to the commission and for the agency to be able to commence an investigation on its own, without reference from a federal agency”.
He said he did not support public hearings, but his colleague Liberal MP Celia Hammond has previously called for public hearings to be allowed in certain circumstances.
Mr Sharma confirmed he held discussions with Senator Cash and that “the current model could be improved, to broaden the scope of its jurisdiction and ensure public confidence in the model, but also to strengthen safeguards and protections”.
Dr Allen said she had “been working closely with the Attorney-General to make sure the legislation gets the balance right and to make sure that an appropriate approach that increases the trust of the public [in the commission] is balanced with ensuring it doesn’t become a politicised weapon”.
Among LNP voters, 71 per cent backed an integrity commission – which Mr Morrison promised to legislate before the last election – while 7 per cent opposed it and 23 per cent were undecided.
For Labor voters, 68 per cent supported a commission and 6 per cent opposed it, while among ‘other’ voters there was 70 per cent support and 4 per cent opposed it.
More significantly, 42 per cent of all voters stated all hearings for such a body should be public and 35 per cent said hearings should be a mixture of public and private, while just 11 per cent agreed that all hearings should be private.
On the commission’s investigative powers, 25 per cent of voters agreed the body should have the power to decide what to investigate and 43 per cent agreed the commission should be set up so that it could be directed to investigate potential corruption, or to make its own decisions.
Just 14 per cent supported a model where what the commission investigates is decided by others.
Senator Cash told Senate Estimates on Tuesday that further refinement of the proposed laws setting up the commission was being undertaken and “ultimately it will be a decision for cabinet” when the bills are introduced, and what form they take.
Centre for Public Integrity chair Anthony Whealy QC said in the current proposed model “the definition of corruption is too narrow, there is an impossibly high threshold for investigations to commence, no whistleblowers are allowed and virtually no own-initiative investigations”.
“Then there are no public hearings, no public reports and no public criticism of parliamentarians or their staff allowed.”
The former NSW Supreme Court judge added that “we don’t want to unfairly damage people’s reputations but you don’t do that by denying the effectiveness of the body”.
Earlier this month the Prime Minister said the NSW ICAC was “not a model that we ever consider at a federal level” and “that there are millions of people who’ve seen what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian”.
Asked on Thursday – before Ms Berejiklian’s ICAC appearance but after former colleagues testified that she should have revealed her secret relationship with Mr Maguire – if he stood by those remarks, Mr Morrison said: “I don’t have any regrets about that in terms of the statements I’ve made previously”.
“We’ve been setting out our model, if that model is not accepted by others in this parliament, well, that’s a matter for them,” he said.
“We have a lot of other institutions here at the federal level that I think are being ignored by others who have a very important role. I’m not about to let or support a system that, you know, takes us down the path where it’s trial outside of proper processes.”
In response to that, Mr Whealy said the Prime Minister “doesn’t understand how the ICAC works, or at least he pretends he doesn’t. ICAC is not a criminal court, and nor would it be at a federal level. It would be a standing Royal Commission into corruption”.
 
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