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Force perspective. Pretty easy camera trick.
Bro it's a cat, that's it lol. I'm not saying there isn't something but that video there ain't it.
Very large and muscly cat
Grass isn’t long and stomach not far of the grass

Still a very large speciman, I wouldn’t go in for a pat
I'm not saying it's a Panther but its conservatively atleast 4-5 times bigger than a domestic cat. Look at the grass that's close to the person filming it's not that short, the tops of that grass would be mid shin height.

Look at the cat when it first walks over the hill the grass isnt even at its knee. The grass appears at stomach level when it's in the middle of the hill because it's on the backside and the video is filmed from a lower level. If anything the footage makes it look smaller.

I believe it could a hybrid breed of an Asiatic big cat species which apparently can breed with other domestic Asiatic cat species
 

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I had two Rottweilers, the female was psycho and fought this cat through a rectangular wire fence.
It was at night the large panther cat wanted to eat her, i turned floodlight on and spooked it away, next morning i checked her and she had large claw punture wounds all around her nose and snout, also her ears were like they had been sliced with razor blades.
I took her get vet and they also knew just by looking at her and confirmed what happened, sheep goats etc dont last long, people think its stray dogs, me and mates trail bike riding have found carcasses up trees, also had a pissup in bush with bikes fire going, and were stalked by it, we shit and left everything got on our bikes and left, next day went back and found massive paw prints.
My dad had it cross castlereagh rd in front of him at night. Growing up at night i heard stray dogs being killed by it, horrible wont forget it.
 

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I'm not saying it's a Panther but its conservatively atleast 4-5 times bigger than a domestic cat. Look at the grass that's close to the person filming it's not that short, the tops of that grass would be mid shin height.

Look at the cat when it first walks over the hill the grass isnt even at its knee. The grass appears at stomach level when it's in the middle of the hill because it's on the backside and the video is filmed from a lower level. If anything the footage makes it look smaller.

I believe it could a hybrid breed of an Asiatic big cat species which apparently can breed with other domestic Asiatic cat species
Grass grows at different heights.

You would need something you know the height of to judge and you would also need to know that both the cat and that object are at the same distance from the camera.

It's very possible it does exist. Or more likely, a small colony of very large cats exist as there have been many sightings. But there has also been a large number of investigations that found no evidence.

There are some very large breeds of cat too. One of my cats can reach up and grab stuff off a 700mm high benchtop without issue. He's huge. But there's cats that I have seen that are a lot larger than him.
 

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I'm not saying it's a Panther but its conservatively atleast 4-5 times bigger than a domestic cat. Look at the grass that's close to the person filming it's not that short, the tops of that grass would be mid shin height.

Look at the cat when it first walks over the hill the grass isnt even at its knee. The grass appears at stomach level when it's in the middle of the hill because it's on the backside and the video is filmed from a lower level. If anything the footage makes it look smaller.

I believe it could a hybrid breed of an Asiatic big cat species which apparently can breed with other domestic Asiatic cat species
Yes I buy into the idea that the circus cats that escaped rooted the lil cats and made a lil big cat thing.
 

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It's very possible it does exist. Or more likely, a small colony of very large cats exist as there have been many sightings. But there has also been a large number of investigations that found no evidence.

There are some very large breeds of cat too. One of my cats can reach up and grab stuff off a 700mm high benchtop without issue. He's huge. But there's cats that I have seen that are a lot larger than him.
Not many people know that a lioness was shot and killed in Broken Hill in 1985, so they have had a body on the table.

DPI have been sent leopard scat from a circus and the results they sent back said feral cat or dog Lol

No offense but daddy government isn't always going to tell you the truth. I don't know why you find it so hard to believe that a scientific arm of the government would lie or withhold information on behalf of the government.
 

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Not many people know that a lioness was shot and killed in Broken Hill in 1985, so they have had a body on the table.

DPI have been sent leopard scat from a circus and the results they sent back said feral cat or dog Lol

No offense but daddy government isn't always going to tell you the truth. I don't know why you find it so hard to believe that a scientific arm of the government would lie or withhold information on behalf of the government.
Why covering it up because?
 

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Google some of the feral cats caught by camera traps in Australia. There are some absolute monsters out there. Even the kittens would fuck people up haha
 

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Why covering it up because?
Don't propose to know.

In the 90's you could import a macaque for $20,000 even though it could rip your nose and ears off your face if it was angry enough, which was most days of the month.

People have been bringing exotic species to Australia as pets since forever. The laws enacted to stop it haven't been around for that long. What would you do with a +200kg leopard or puma or whatever that you've own since a cub/kitten?
If you were an owner and you rang DPI they would've told you to hold tight, we'll send some people over to euthanize it.

There used to be many small privately owned zoo's where escapes have happened

In the 80's(?) Bullens Animal World had 2 Panthers "escape" right before they were due to be shutdown and the animals destroyed.

There have been quite a few escapes or releases. So there have definately been big exotic cats species living in whatever environment, the question is, have any of them survived and bred.

Or perhaps because there has been no bones or bodies recovered the escapes are a urban myth Lol
 
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Don't propose to know.

In the 90's you could import a macaque for $20,000 even though it could rip your nose and ears off your face if it was angry enough, which was most days of the month.

People have been bringing exotic species to Australia as pets since forever. The laws enacted to stop it haven't been around for that long. What would you do with a +200kg leopard or puma or whatever that you've own since a cub/kitten?
If you were an owner and you rang DPI they would've told you to hold tight, we'll send some people over to euthanize it.

There used to be many small privately owned zoo's were escapes have happened

In the 80's(?) Bullens Animal World had 2 Panthers "escape" right before they were due to be shutdown and the animals destroyed.

There have been quite a few escapes or releases. So there have definately been big exotic cats species living in whatever environment, the question is, have any of them survived and bred.

Or perhaps because there has been no bones or bodies recovered the escapes are a urban myth Lol
Yes my uncle had one years ago, still has the big fuck off cage bolted into the concrete at his house. I barely remember it but he eventually returned it to the seller because it got too aggressive/horny to handle. He said it used to jerk off when my aunt came to see it lol. I get these cats were here at some point and it's possible they "escaped" and maybe there's some fucked up hybrids running about but proper Leopards, Jaguars, etc still around?
 

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Yes my uncle had one years ago, still has the big fuck off cage bolted into the concrete at his house. I barely remember it but he eventually returned it to the seller because it got too aggressive/horny to handle. He said it used to jerk off when my aunt came to see it lol. I get these cats were here at some point and it's possible they "escaped" and maybe there's some fucked up hybrids running about but proper Leopards, Jaguars, etc still around?
Kinda like a New South Victorian

A few months back went fishing 1st light on crowdy beach, as we packed up my mate spotted cat prints that left a bigger impression than our heal in damp sand. He snap chatted a vid but can't remember if he took a picture, I didn't bother because I've seen plenty before. At least 5 times bigger than a domestic cat.

Only a month before that in the Giro forest I was travelling home around 7p.m and saw a cat twice the size of a domestic but it was thin and looked cub like.
Tan coloured and had the same markings of a leopard with a black tipped tail.
I was driving slow in wet mountanous terrain and it walked across both lanes right in front of me totally disregarding the vehicle and headlights.
It appeared maybe just over 100m away and I rolled off the accelerator and when it stepped off the road I was 20 metres away max. Clear and unobstructed view. The left side of the road was a cutting with next to zero vegetation.

Never seen feral of domestic cats with markings exactly like a leopard.
 
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Not many people know that a lioness was shot and killed in Broken Hill in 1985, so they have had a body on the table.

DPI have been sent leopard scat from a circus and the results they sent back said feral cat or dog Lol

No offense but daddy government isn't always going to tell you the truth. I don't know why you find it so hard to believe that a scientific arm of the government would lie or withhold information on behalf of the government.
It's possible but unlikely. If the government lies about a panther in the area and people get attacked and killed, those government officials are liable. They don't have a strong enough reason to lie about it.
 

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It's possible but unlikely. If the government lies about a panther in the area and people get attacked and killed, those government officials are liable. They don't have a strong enough reason to lie about it.
Don't think they are liable if they're claiming they didn't know it existed despite 'best' efforts
 

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Lithgow panther an enduring mystery amid hundreds of sightings, claims of a cover-up
ABC Central West
/ By Micaela Hambrett
Posted Tue 12 Jun 2018 at 8:21pmTuesday 12 Jun 2018 at 8:21pm, updated Thu 14 Jun 2018 at 4:48amThursday 14 Jun 2018 at 4:48am
Black cat
Not the Lithgow Panther.(File photo)
Government reports strangely amended, over 500 sightings over 20 years, flawed scientific testing … there is a reason the Lithgow panther is part of folklore.

Could the Lithgow Panther actually exist?
The crunch of dry leaves, the heavy snap of a stick, a feeling of suddenly being watched as the bush goes quiet are some of the sensations more than 560 people have reported in the Hawkesbury, Blue Mountains and Lithgow area since 1998.
Two accounts have even been regaled since 2017.
In fact, claims of big cat encounters in New South Wales have been made for over 100 years, and reported on for almost as many.
The reports tell of bush walkers, land owners and tourists each with their own brush with a low slung, long tailed, box-faced, large, black, cat.
Curious Central West questioner and Bathurst local Tanya Martin is intrigued.
"I've never seen a large black cat but my friend Barry Lindsay has. It scared the life out of him," she said.
"It made me wonder about the credence of the Lithgow panther. Is it possible Maine cats, mountain lions or panthers could survive here?"
Mr Lindsay, also of Bathurst, is resolute.
"It was definitely around the size of what I would say is a panther.
"It was black. Jet black. Had piercing eyes and it had that sort of quickness as well," Mr Stewart said of his encounter.
"Quickness like a cheetah, I guess. And it just ran straight across the highway coming into Lithgow."
Black market black panthers?
Theories as to how these big cats might have come to roam the Blue Mountains paint a picture of an Australian society historically more globally connected than we credit today.
David Waldron is a lecturer in history and anthropology at Federation University in Ballarat and author of Snarls From the Tea Tree: Australia's Big Cat Folklore.
"You did have widespread exotic animal trade in the 19th century. That's easily proved. You can certainly see that in the classifieds of the day," Dr Waldron said.
"If you jump on Trove you'll see people in Sydney and Melbourne selling off leopard cubs or panther cubs.
"The big fear people had at the time — a legitimate fear — is that after their experience with rabbits, pigs and goats, what if an animal that's dangerous gets loose and starts to multiply?
"This fear was exacerbated with the onset of the first travelling circuses, starting with St Leon's travelling circus in the 1870s. These circuses were travelling menageries.
"I came across one case in NSW where disgruntled performers let three tigers lose when they quit."
Another well-known theory is that today's cats might be descendants of abandoned mascots from World War II American soldiers.
soldier and lion cub mascot
A WWII pilot poses with a lion cub mascot.(Supplied: David Waldron)
"The story is always about US serviceman, but if you look at government records the concern is actually Australian serviceman.
"They are coming back from North Africa, Asia, with all kinds of crazy animals.
"One ship had 1,650 exotic animals on board, including bear cubs."
Hazelbrook resident and author of Australian Big Cats, Mike Williams, believes the source is a modern one.
"The best bet would be escaped exotics. Escaped leopards. And breeding leopards — to explain some of the [multiple] sightings."
That's a theory Grose Vale resident Chris Coffey supports.
"You can buy them on the black market. You go out and you buy a little cub and it grows to the point it will take you out. How can you keep it?," Ms Coffey said.
"They have been released, I know that. I have a signed affidavit from a JP stating he interviewed a person [who owned a big cat] and he was told to have them put down.
"He said he couldn't do it so he just left the doors open. And that is locally here in the Hawkesbury. And it's the same time we started to get the problems."
A community galvanised
Ms Coffey has been instrumental in organising the community's approach to the phenomena.
She formed The Grose Vale Group in 1998 after her own encounters began.
"It romped around here like the family pet," said Ms Coffey. "I've probably seen it five or six times.
"It all started in '98 and it was just going on and on until I got a Rottweiler pup and it [put it up a tree] and it did not come back into my place."
Goat head and ribs
An unusual goat carcass kill found by The Grose Vale Group.(Supplied: Chris Coffey)
Sightings became so commonplace that fellow residents Ken Pullen and Karen Nolan began a database of sightings with Mrs Coffey in charge of interviewing witnesses.
"There's a lot of people who, when you interview them, you know they are telling the truth," she said.
"I have had hysterical women on the phone saying their child was in close proximity to these animals.
"I know people who have moved because of it."
The database grew steadily, at times by 20 to 30 sightings per year.
"I have a DPI officer on there. I have National Parks rangers on the database. We are talking doctors, solicitors, police detectives — really, really credible people. Why would they all lie?" Ms Coffey said.
Down the rabbit hole
Most urban myths do not receive commissioned reports by state governments.
But the compelling eye witness accounts detailed on the database, which include government staff members, meant liability could shortly become an issue.
The Department of Primary Industries commissioned four enquiries during the years 1999, 2003, 2009 and 2013.
The initial research request was made of wildlife ecologist Johannes Bauer of the then-NSW Agriculture in 1999.
His one-page report returned the following conclusion:
"Difficult as it seems to accept, the most likely explanation of the evidence … is the presence of a large feline predator."
"I was lecturer in conservation biology and one of my students was working with the DPI," Dr Bauer recalled.
"He came up to me and said 'Look, we've got these problems with the black panthers. Do you know anything about panthers?'
"The DPI's interest was mainly liability. They were worried something might happen and because they hadn't taken it seriously that someone might take them to court.
"Anyway, I went down there for a day. It proved to be really quite staggering to be quite honest.
Big cat paw print in mud.
A large paw print found in mud in the Hawkesbury with a mobile phone used for scale.(Supplied: Chris Coffey)
"I don't have any explanation. I wrote that letter. That letter became nationally famous."
"I stepped back from there. Suddenly I was in the middle of something I didn't want to be in."
Claims of a cover-up
In 2003, a second official report from the Department of Primary Industries was issued, which concluded:
"Nothing found in this review conclusively proves the presence of free ranging exotic large cats in New South Wales, but this cannot be discounted and seems more likely than not on available evidence."
The door had been left open.
But what happened next led believers to claim proof of a government cover-up.
Discrepancies between a report written, but not publicly released, in December 2008 and a report subsequently made available to the public in March 2009 concerned local resident campaigners.
The 2008 report concluded:
"There is no scientific evidence found during this review that conclusively proves the presence of free ranging exotic large cats in NSW, but a presence cannot be discounted, and it seems more likely than not on available evidence that such animals do exist in NSW."
However, the 2009 report offered:
"Whilst information has been provided, there is still nothing to conclusively say that a large black cat exists."
"Why did the DPI do two reports?" Mike Williams, the author of Australian Big Cats, asked.
A fourth and final report in 2013 commissioned by then-Minister for Primary Industries Katrina Hodgkinson and written by New Zealand-based invasive species expert John Parkes shut the door firmly on the matter.
It advised "There is no conclusive evidence that large cats exist in the wild in NSW", and:
"The sightings and other evidence presented, mostly from the Hawkesbury region, are at best prima facie evidence."
2008 DPI report front page
The front page of the 2008 report by the Department of Primary Industries.(ABC Central West: Micaela Hambrett)
"We were treated like idiots. Like 'this can go away'," Ms Coffey said.
When asked why there were discrepancies in the two reports, the DPI did not respond directly.
It did reply generally, saying:
"The NSW Department of Primary Industries (DPI) occasionally receives reported sightings of large cats in NSW, in locations such as the Blue Mountains.
"Large feral cats (Felis domesticus) can be found throughout most parts of Australia and it has been suggested that sightings of 'black panthers' may be the result of people mistaking feral cats, or even the rear view and tails of animals such as the black swamp wallaby, for panthers — particularly in dense bushland.
"Unfortunately there is rarely sufficient evidence such as clear photos or footprints to warrant further investigation."
Seeking 'a body on the table'
Why has hard evidence proved so elusive?
Barbara Triggs was the scientist employed by the DPI to perform comparison analysis on hair and scat, or faecal, samples provided by The Grose Vale Group for the 2008, 2009 and 2013 reports.
Mrs Triggs is an authority on the identification of mammals from 'indirect means' such as tracks and scats and wrote a Whitely Award-winning field guide on the subject in 1984.
"In my memory, there's was only one scat and hair sample I was provided that was suspicious but that was in Victoria, not Lithgow," she said.
"I have an open mind on this, but I'm very doubtful. After all this time, you'd think someone would have a photo but they haven't."
Big cat paw prints.
Paw prints found in Hawkesbury with a credit card used for scale.(Supplied: Chris Coffey/The Grose Vale Group)
A second issue with hard evidence to date might be the test methods themselves.
Mike Williams and Chris Coffey believe the test methods used were not equipped to cover exotic species.
"I was unsure about some of the actual scat results so I went to people who had retired circus animals and I got hold of a leopard scat and leopard hair and I tested them with three of the leading experts in Australia," Mr Williams said.
"They all came back feral cat or dog."
"Basically you are forcing sub-contractors to go outside their normal [remit] and they weren't doing DNA, they were just doing a sniff and poke test," Mr Williams said.
"Nowadays, you would easily do the whole thing again using DNA," Dr Bauer said.
But the problem of authentication and contamination would remain.
"Unlike a crime scene, where a trained forensic expert will seal it and take it to a DNA [lab], we can't prove where it came from," Mr Williams said.
"You can't prove anything unless you have a body on the table. And the only body on the table is a lioness shot outside Broken Hill in 1985."
It. Hasn't. Gone. Away.
A lack of hard evidence, coupled with an abundance of soft evidence, lends an uncanny halo to the Lithgow panther saga.
It casts a twilight glow across the subject and corrodes credibility.
Mr Stewart felt this firsthand after his sighting.
"I mentioned it to someone and they just laughed at me. Who would I report this to? I didn't feel the need to expose myself to more ridicule," he said.
But with a sighting in April 2017 and another in March 2018, the saga refuses to go quietly.
"The whole thing has not disappeared over the years. It obviously shows there's something to it," Dr Bauer said.
Dr Waldron agrees.
"You shouldn't ridicule people. I mean, if you were in Broken Hill in 1985 and you say you saw a big cat, chances are you did see a big cat.
"There's nothing wrong with the idea. You just need to find one."
Dr Parkes, author of the 2013 report which apparently closed the case emphatically, actually remains open to the possibility.
"Panthers used to be held in zoos and menageries in Australia. So it is possible escapees did occur in Australia and possible that they bred and we have a small cryptic population in the bush," he said.
It is conceivable the government are playing down various findings, thwarted by the fact the presence of big cats cannot be empathically disproven.
Dr Bauer believes this is a cause to recommit with a proper, disciplined approach.
"A good idea would be a workshop where we invite people to exchange their views in a scientific atmosphere," Dr Bauer said.
"An evaluation of the evidence would be a good thing.
"I think it's regrettable that DPI hasn't shown a little bit more leadership and interest.
"It seems to be outlandish for lots of people, but if you are really working in the wild environment and know how ecology works there's really nothing unusual about the whole thing."
The door, it would appear, remains open just a crack.
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Don't think they are liable if they're claiming they didn't know it existed despite 'best' efforts
Except if they know it exists and there's evidence of that. Seems like an odd thing to do. Find evidence it exists then cover up that evidence for no benefit.
 

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Stray overgrown feral cats, escaped Panthers from a circus, U.S army mascots released after WW2 or maybe introduced as exotic pets or hunting targets.
There are big cats lurking in our bushland.

There are documented cases where people have sent suspected big cat fecies and also leopard scat from a zoo to goverment funded laboratories and both samples have come back as wild dog. So don't expect any admission from the authorities.

Here is a space for the naysayers, and to document any experiences or stories, second hand or not of big cat sightings in Oz.

I have not personally had any experiences but I have seen claw marks on trees around the 5 to 6 foot mark while in remote bushland. I have done work for several farmers who have discovered deceased livestock in a condition which they say clearly differentiates from a wild dog attack. Including claw marks with inches between each scratching and animals wedged into trees 10 or more feet off the ground.
Rounding injured cattle with puncture wounds in the neck and claw marks elsewhere etc.

I have grown an interest in this subject and am keen to read your stories.
Now i've seen those photos i'm convinced
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Lithgow panther an enduring mystery amid hundreds of sightings, claims of a cover-up
ABC Central West
/ By Micaela Hambrett
Posted Tue 12 Jun 2018 at 8:21pmTuesday 12 Jun 2018 at 8:21pm, updated Thu 14 Jun 2018 at 4:48amThursday 14 Jun 2018 at 4:48am
Black cat
Not the Lithgow Panther.(File photo)
Government reports strangely amended, over 500 sightings over 20 years, flawed scientific testing … there is a reason the Lithgow panther is part of folklore.

Could the Lithgow Panther actually exist?
The crunch of dry leaves, the heavy snap of a stick, a feeling of suddenly being watched as the bush goes quiet are some of the sensations more than 560 people have reported in the Hawkesbury, Blue Mountains and Lithgow area since 1998.
Two accounts have even been regaled since 2017.
In fact, claims of big cat encounters in New South Wales have been made for over 100 years, and reported on for almost as many.
The reports tell of bush walkers, land owners and tourists each with their own brush with a low slung, long tailed, box-faced, large, black, cat.
Curious Central West questioner and Bathurst local Tanya Martin is intrigued.

"It made me wonder about the credence of the Lithgow panther. Is it possible Maine cats, mountain lions or panthers could survive here?"
Mr Lindsay, also of Bathurst, is resolute.
"It was definitely around the size of what I would say is a panther.
"It was black. Jet black. Had piercing eyes and it had that sort of quickness as well," Mr Stewart said of his encounter.

Black market black panthers?
Theories as to how these big cats might have come to roam the Blue Mountains paint a picture of an Australian society historically more globally connected than we credit today.
David Waldron is a lecturer in history and anthropology at Federation University in Ballarat and author of Snarls From the Tea Tree: Australia's Big Cat Folklore.
"You did have widespread exotic animal trade in the 19th century. That's easily proved. You can certainly see that in the classifieds of the day," Dr Waldron said.
"If you jump on Trove you'll see people in Sydney and Melbourne selling off leopard cubs or panther cubs.
"The big fear people had at the time — a legitimate fear — is that after their experience with rabbits, pigs and goats, what if an animal that's dangerous gets loose and starts to multiply?
"This fear was exacerbated with the onset of the first travelling circuses, starting with St Leon's travelling circus in the 1870s. These circuses were travelling menageries.

Another well-known theory is that today's cats might be descendants of abandoned mascots from World War II American soldiers.
soldier and lion cub mascot
A WWII pilot poses with a lion cub mascot.(Supplied: David Waldron)
"The story is always about US serviceman, but if you look at government records the concern is actually Australian serviceman.
"They are coming back from North Africa, Asia, with all kinds of crazy animals.
"One ship had 1,650 exotic animals on board, including bear cubs."
Hazelbrook resident and author of Australian Big Cats, Mike Williams, believes the source is a modern one.
"The best bet would be escaped exotics. Escaped leopards. And breeding leopards — to explain some of the [multiple] sightings."
That's a theory Grose Vale resident Chris Coffey supports.

"They have been released, I know that. I have a signed affidavit from a JP stating he interviewed a person [who owned a big cat] and he was told to have them put down.
"He said he couldn't do it so he just left the doors open. And that is locally here in the Hawkesbury. And it's the same time we started to get the problems."
A community galvanised
Ms Coffey has been instrumental in organising the community's approach to the phenomena.
She formed The Grose Vale Group in 1998 after her own encounters began.
"It romped around here like the family pet," said Ms Coffey. "I've probably seen it five or six times.

Goat head and ribs
An unusual goat carcass kill found by The Grose Vale Group.(Supplied: Chris Coffey)
Sightings became so commonplace that fellow residents Ken Pullen and Karen Nolan began a database of sightings with Mrs Coffey in charge of interviewing witnesses.
"There's a lot of people who, when you interview them, you know they are telling the truth," she said.
"I have had hysterical women on the phone saying their child was in close proximity to these animals.
"I know people who have moved because of it."
The database grew steadily, at times by 20 to 30 sightings per year.

Down the rabbit hole
Most urban myths do not receive commissioned reports by state governments.
But the compelling eye witness accounts detailed on the database, which include government staff members, meant liability could shortly become an issue.
The Department of Primary Industries commissioned four enquiries during the years 1999, 2003, 2009 and 2013.
The initial research request was made of wildlife ecologist Johannes Bauer of the then-NSW Agriculture in 1999.
His one-page report returned the following conclusion:

"I was lecturer in conservation biology and one of my students was working with the DPI," Dr Bauer recalled.
"He came up to me and said 'Look, we've got these problems with the black panthers. Do you know anything about panthers?'
"The DPI's interest was mainly liability. They were worried something might happen and because they hadn't taken it seriously that someone might take them to court.

Big cat paw print in mud.
A large paw print found in mud in the Hawkesbury with a mobile phone used for scale.(Supplied: Chris Coffey)
"I don't have any explanation. I wrote that letter. That letter became nationally famous."
"I stepped back from there. Suddenly I was in the middle of something I didn't want to be in."
Claims of a cover-up
In 2003, a second official report from the Department of Primary Industries was issued, which concluded:

The door had been left open.
But what happened next led believers to claim proof of a government cover-up.
Discrepancies between a report written, but not publicly released, in December 2008 and a report subsequently made available to the public in March 2009 concerned local resident campaigners.
The 2008 report concluded:

However, the 2009 report offered:

"Why did the DPI do two reports?" Mike Williams, the author of Australian Big Cats, asked.
A fourth and final report in 2013 commissioned by then-Minister for Primary Industries Katrina Hodgkinson and written by New Zealand-based invasive species expert John Parkes shut the door firmly on the matter.
It advised "There is no conclusive evidence that large cats exist in the wild in NSW", and:

2008 DPI report front page
The front page of the 2008 report by the Department of Primary Industries.(ABC Central West: Micaela Hambrett)
"We were treated like idiots. Like 'this can go away'," Ms Coffey said.
When asked why there were discrepancies in the two reports, the DPI did not respond directly.
It did reply generally, saying:
"The NSW Department of Primary Industries (DPI) occasionally receives reported sightings of large cats in NSW, in locations such as the Blue Mountains.
"Large feral cats (Felis domesticus) can be found throughout most parts of Australia and it has been suggested that sightings of 'black panthers' may be the result of people mistaking feral cats, or even the rear view and tails of animals such as the black swamp wallaby, for panthers — particularly in dense bushland.
"Unfortunately there is rarely sufficient evidence such as clear photos or footprints to warrant further investigation."
Seeking 'a body on the table'
Why has hard evidence proved so elusive?
Barbara Triggs was the scientist employed by the DPI to perform comparison analysis on hair and scat, or faecal, samples provided by The Grose Vale Group for the 2008, 2009 and 2013 reports.
Mrs Triggs is an authority on the identification of mammals from 'indirect means' such as tracks and scats and wrote a Whitely Award-winning field guide on the subject in 1984.
"In my memory, there's was only one scat and hair sample I was provided that was suspicious but that was in Victoria, not Lithgow," she said.

Big cat paw prints.
Paw prints found in Hawkesbury with a credit card used for scale.(Supplied: Chris Coffey/The Grose Vale Group)
A second issue with hard evidence to date might be the test methods themselves.
Mike Williams and Chris Coffey believe the test methods used were not equipped to cover exotic species.
"I was unsure about some of the actual scat results so I went to people who had retired circus animals and I got hold of a leopard scat and leopard hair and I tested them with three of the leading experts in Australia," Mr Williams said.
"They all came back feral cat or dog."

"Nowadays, you would easily do the whole thing again using DNA," Dr Bauer said.
But the problem of authentication and contamination would remain.
"Unlike a crime scene, where a trained forensic expert will seal it and take it to a DNA [lab], we can't prove where it came from," Mr Williams said.
"You can't prove anything unless you have a body on the table. And the only body on the table is a lioness shot outside Broken Hill in 1985."
It. Hasn't. Gone. Away.
A lack of hard evidence, coupled with an abundance of soft evidence, lends an uncanny halo to the Lithgow panther saga.
It casts a twilight glow across the subject and corrodes credibility.
Mr Stewart felt this firsthand after his sighting.
"I mentioned it to someone and they just laughed at me. Who would I report this to? I didn't feel the need to expose myself to more ridicule," he said.
But with a sighting in April 2017 and another in March 2018, the saga refuses to go quietly.

Dr Waldron agrees.
"You shouldn't ridicule people. I mean, if you were in Broken Hill in 1985 and you say you saw a big cat, chances are you did see a big cat.
"There's nothing wrong with the idea. You just need to find one."
Dr Parkes, author of the 2013 report which apparently closed the case emphatically, actually remains open to the possibility.
"Panthers used to be held in zoos and menageries in Australia. So it is possible escapees did occur in Australia and possible that they bred and we have a small cryptic population in the bush," he said.
It is conceivable the government are playing down various findings, thwarted by the fact the presence of big cats cannot be empathically disproven.
Dr Bauer believes this is a cause to recommit with a proper, disciplined approach.
"A good idea would be a workshop where we invite people to exchange their views in a scientific atmosphere," Dr Bauer said.
"An evaluation of the evidence would be a good thing.
"I think it's regrettable that DPI hasn't shown a little bit more leadership and interest.

The door, it would appear, remains open just a crack.

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Always been tales of big cats in the Gympie region.
 

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It does intrigue me tho, have t seen anything yet to prove more than a theory
But there is a small possibility
Defiantly not impossible

Had a mate tell me he seen big cats, like lions down the bridle track on the Macquarie river
But same bloke also told me he seen aliens lol

RIP mate, he always was good for a laugh at the very least
 
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