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she's fcking horrid, I hope the dudes were drunk
St Kilda Schoolgirl - Pt 2.
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She has also advertised on the internet for someone to help her write a book about the saga. In his press conference this week, Riewoldt said the naked photograph of himself was taken by a teammate in a Miami hotel room more than a year ago.
The girl has claimed she took the picture herself at a Melbourne hotel.
But pictures emerged yesterday of an identical room to that in the photograph.
The room is in the Delano Hotel on Miami Beach and Sam Gilbert has now provided a sworn affidavit in the Federal Court as part of the injunction that was taken out, saying he had taken the photos
from these reports it seems as though the girl is a fraud
police do not take sexual cases lightly and the fact that they through the case out within 2 months of it being public says something
as a girl im not sympathetic to this 17 year old and is funny that guys generally tend to be sympathetic to girls thinking they cant be scheming and manipulative as this girl clearly is
she seems to enjoy hiding behind behind the anonymity given to her because shes under 18 but shes definitely not acting her age she seems like a bitter twisted vindictive little bi7ch out to make some quick cash regardless of the pain she causes to others along the way
The girl has claimed she took the picture herself at a Melbourne hotel.
But pictures emerged yesterday of an identical room to that in the photograph.
The room is in the Delano Hotel on Miami Beach and Sam Gilbert has now provided a sworn affidavit in the Federal Court as part of the injunction that was taken out, saying he had taken the photos
from these reports it seems as though the girl is a fraud
police do not take sexual cases lightly and the fact that they through the case out within 2 months of it being public says something
as a girl im not sympathetic to this 17 year old and is funny that guys generally tend to be sympathetic to girls thinking they cant be scheming and manipulative as this girl clearly is
she seems to enjoy hiding behind behind the anonymity given to her because shes under 18 but shes definitely not acting her age she seems like a bitter twisted vindictive little bi7ch out to make some quick cash regardless of the pain she causes to others along the way
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this girl is gonna get her head kicked in by a crazed saints fan
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There is NO denying the girl is nuttier than a fruitcake - And I'm sympathetic from the point of view that she cannot be expected to be making sound judgments at age 15,16,17,18 ... yet the entire AFL/Melbourne media/Victorian police juggernaut see fit to gather the boys club together to shut her up and deflect blame from the REAL ISSUE : What the f*ck are those men doing with her in the first place ???
They are the adults in this !!!
The St Kilda (and any other) men.
They, considering their positions of privalidge, are EXPECTED to know better.
Have you seen the forgiving Hi-5's Sam Gilbert got when they returned to training ???
It's revolting.
And let's talk of pain for a minute shall we ....
Take a body-conscious, struggling teenage athlete.
Surround her in an environment where she recieves plenty of "Affirmations" for her "talent".
Insert a love of St Kilda perpetuatued by bogans with the parenting skills of a Zuccini.
Insert an upbringing in pop-culture circa 2000's.
Insert massive hormones and angst during ages 13-16.
St Kilda is an attractive outlet for all the insecurities she bottles up daily.
She can go to a game. Act like a fan and go home feeling like she "belongs".
When she reaches the age where THOSE PLAYERS find her "attractive" (and yes she plays up to it, she been coached via athletics all her life to do so) ... do the players care about age ? Do the players care about well-being ? Do the players think ahead any further than their own d*cks ? No. No and No.
Sure she gives them HER number - THEY are showing interest. She is 17, misguided, completely without parental supervision and getting attention from the superstars she idolises. Did she lie about her age ? Probably. Will she f*ck them ? Probably. Drugs and alcohol are never too far away with AFL players and I highly doubt at this point the players go "wait up, check her ID, we better make sure". They're already forecasting to about an hour later and what may happen if she lets them.
This idiotic notion that because she came running up to them (and that makes it all OK) just DOES NOT wash with me !
There's is no doubt she is an active party - But why do we expect a 17yo to be completely responsible here ??? Moreso than the players ???
It turns out Sam Gilbert did infact sleep with her ... and got her pregnant. Aged 17 !!!
And discarded her like a used tissue !!!
Imaging that rejection !
Go on, imagine you're her, with her lack of (a) education, (b) parental guidance and (c) judgment skills.
Imaging the players you idolise, using you like a sexual pinyata, and basically ignoring you !
This becomes a HUGE problem for St Kilda - The last thing they need want is the focus to go from on-field to off-field.
But oops .... there's that schoolgirl with the baby issue that Sam Gilbert created.
It's been reported she had a stillbirth - At age 18 I cannot fathom what that does to you. Lesser people twice her age and life-experience would collapse under the depression.
Abandoned. Used. Betrayed.
Expectant mother. Unborn(s) lost.
No support network.
No guidance.
So do not mistake my sympathy for her as condoning her actions - She needs a kick in the arse more than anyone.
But the fact remains ... the AFL will ensure the focus is kept on HER and away from the GAME !
Join the dots - Rights deals upcoming > Sympathetic reporters/channels/radio/TV will be reminding the AFL what favourable coverage they got when bidding comes around > Melbourne Media in a frenzy trying to construct her as a lunatic / jilted lover with ulterior motives > Players are shielded from accountability and defended via lawyers with multi-million dollar backing > Girl takes the fall under the pretense SHE caused it all and schemed it.
She got f*cked over and has slowly come to realise "hey ... what they did to me wasn't very nice"
The response from the AFL as a whole is F*cking ridiculous and Utterly sickening.
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Agreed, if you're gonna take the pedo leap of faith at least let it be for the holy grail.
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CK to answer your question, this world is filled with sick mother ****ers who can't get a root from women their own age so they prey on school girls because school girls are dumb and think its cool when a 30 year old shows interest in them and apparently most girls lack high self esteem, thats why they will **** the most hideous thing out of the gutter
So you're saying I have a shot with her? Awesome
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yew!!!!
Outside court Mr Levine said he held no sympathy for the teenager, saying she was aware of what she was doing and was deliberately setting out to ruin the lives of four innocent people.
"Fair minded people have been appalled at the delight that she has expressed in causing distress to these players, including as I’ve said, some who she has never met and have never done anything to her,’’ he said.
"The woman has made it clear in her networking posts that basically she enjoys making trouble for others.
"If the woman thinks that she doesn’t have to care about today’s court decision, and she didn’t turn up today, if she things that because it’s too late and she is going to get off scott free because the photos are already out there, well she is wrong.’’
"This is only the start of the legal process against her.
"The next stage is seeking that this injunction becomes permanent and suing her for damages and costs for breach of copyright, breach of confidence and also adding claims of deliberately inflicting mental distress and trespass.
"The unjustified attack on the players and our club will be met by us in the strongest possible way.’’
Mr Levine said any damages awarded would stand for up to 15 years and they would recoup any money she may make out of her actions.
And he said many people had private photos that should not be published.
In orders to be emailed to the girl and posted on her Twitter account, Justice Shane Marshall instructed that for now, she not publish the photographs, which St Kilda says were stolen from Gilbert's computer, or any other images or videos taken from that computer.
Gilbert's lawyer Will Houghton, QC, will make an application to the court at 2.15pm tomorrow that the girl be ordered to permanently delete all electronic images from her computer.
He said the girl was deliberately thumbing her nose at the court.
"It appears....that (the girl) is exhibiting some defiance to the orders of this court,'' he told the court.
The girl claims she took the photos herself while with the players in a Melbourne hotel room.
Justice Marshall said the best evidence available to him at present is that the photos were taken from Gilbert's computer and were originally photographed from a hotel in Miami which contradicted the girls story that the photos were taken within a hotel room in Melbourne. Further complicating the matter is that the girl is above the legal age of consent, meaning any sexual relationship she claims she had with an AFL player could not be considered statutory rape. The sexual assualt claims already made by the girl had been investigated and dismissed by Victorian police, but could yet be revisted and investigated if needed in the future.
wont jump to conclusions but people making false claims of rape undermines a very serious issue in society
i have no time for the women that make wrongful claims like in the brett stewart case or make claims just because they regret a sexual encounter after being a willing participant
if 17 year olds are not willing to be responsible for their actions and decisions maybe the age of consent needs to be increased
you may have a valid point that 17 year olds may not make sound judgments but i know many that can make good decisions
but if that is the case then maybe the laws need to be changed so that 17 year old cannot be held responsible for any decision they make by increasing the age of consent
otherwise as long as the law remains the way it is if a 17 year old girl gives consent to sex then no crime has been committed and the other party cannot be held responsible from any regret she may feel from the encounter
"Fair minded people have been appalled at the delight that she has expressed in causing distress to these players, including as I’ve said, some who she has never met and have never done anything to her,’’ he said.
"The woman has made it clear in her networking posts that basically she enjoys making trouble for others.
"If the woman thinks that she doesn’t have to care about today’s court decision, and she didn’t turn up today, if she things that because it’s too late and she is going to get off scott free because the photos are already out there, well she is wrong.’’
"This is only the start of the legal process against her.
"The next stage is seeking that this injunction becomes permanent and suing her for damages and costs for breach of copyright, breach of confidence and also adding claims of deliberately inflicting mental distress and trespass.
"The unjustified attack on the players and our club will be met by us in the strongest possible way.’’
Mr Levine said any damages awarded would stand for up to 15 years and they would recoup any money she may make out of her actions.
And he said many people had private photos that should not be published.
In orders to be emailed to the girl and posted on her Twitter account, Justice Shane Marshall instructed that for now, she not publish the photographs, which St Kilda says were stolen from Gilbert's computer, or any other images or videos taken from that computer.
Gilbert's lawyer Will Houghton, QC, will make an application to the court at 2.15pm tomorrow that the girl be ordered to permanently delete all electronic images from her computer.
He said the girl was deliberately thumbing her nose at the court.
"It appears....that (the girl) is exhibiting some defiance to the orders of this court,'' he told the court.
The girl claims she took the photos herself while with the players in a Melbourne hotel room.
Justice Marshall said the best evidence available to him at present is that the photos were taken from Gilbert's computer and were originally photographed from a hotel in Miami which contradicted the girls story that the photos were taken within a hotel room in Melbourne. Further complicating the matter is that the girl is above the legal age of consent, meaning any sexual relationship she claims she had with an AFL player could not be considered statutory rape. The sexual assualt claims already made by the girl had been investigated and dismissed by Victorian police, but could yet be revisted and investigated if needed in the future.
wont jump to conclusions but people making false claims of rape undermines a very serious issue in society
i have no time for the women that make wrongful claims like in the brett stewart case or make claims just because they regret a sexual encounter after being a willing participant
if 17 year olds are not willing to be responsible for their actions and decisions maybe the age of consent needs to be increased
well she is not 15 or 16 she is 17 and that is above the age of consent in this country
you may have a valid point that 17 year olds may not make sound judgments but i know many that can make good decisions
but if that is the case then maybe the laws need to be changed so that 17 year old cannot be held responsible for any decision they make by increasing the age of consent
otherwise as long as the law remains the way it is if a 17 year old girl gives consent to sex then no crime has been committed and the other party cannot be held responsible from any regret she may feel from the encounter
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Use the girl in the Matty Johns case as an example ... she MAY have wanted to be with one person, but six, seven, eight people ? That's where the issue of "consent" gets blurry.
Those men (multiple men) are 100kg, muscular beefheads ... they plied her with alcohol and god knows what else over a period of months .... I highly doubt if that 17yo grew a brain in the space of 2seconds and shouted "STOP - I only want him !", that the men would have stopped and left the room as the upstanding gentlemen their lawyers claim to be.
17 year old schoolgirls CANNOT be held accountable !!!
By nature they are emotionally immature and no clear understanding of consequences.
The only ADULTS here are the players ... they ARE accountable.
And given their public profiles, doubly so.
Finally - Dont go quoting mainstream papers. It just wont help anyone.
The Melbourne sporting media is nothing but the surrogate Marketing Department for AFL.
For the truth you need to go around those traditional sources.
I'll post some up.
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A Rugby League View on an AFL Scandal
A Rugby League View on an AFL Scandal
By Nick Tedeschi on Thu, 23/12.2010
http://www.thebigtip.com.au/afl/rugby-league-view-afl-scandal
As a rugby league fan who has witnessed AFL types take the pointy end of the morality stick every time a rugby league scandal breaks, I have somewhat enjoyed the squirming down south at the St Kilda nude photo scandal.
The traditional Melbourne response to a rugby league scandal is to scold, shake the head solemnly and declare that no such behaviour would ever occur in the AFL. So insecurely protective of their turf, the Melbourne media, for the most part, refuses to acknowledge the existence of the NRL or rugby league despite rugby league being Australia’s highest rating and most watched code.
The only time the NRL gets a mention in the newspapers or on radio (don’t mind television…Nine, trying to appease the AFL in order to win the next rights, refuse to put anything resembling the NRL in Melbourne pre-midnight essentially means there is no NRL on television outside of New South Wales and Queensland) is when a scandal breaks or the AFL pulls a low-rent publicity stunt by paying massive overs to lure a prominent rugby league player to switch codes. AFL fans lap it up, ignorant to the ways of their own media thanks to the insularity they crave so much.
The generalised attitude seems to be that rugby league is a brutal sport played by thugs while AFL footy is a family game played by decent, god-fearing role models. It is a wonderful fairytale that the AFL has concocted and it has certainly been swallowed hook, line and throat-filling sinker by the Melbourne AFL press.
It comes as no surprise that fewer scandals seem to break in the AFL than in the NRL. The Melbourne football media is nothing more than the publicity wing of the AFL, ever-protective of the sport, complicit in the cover-up of scandal and a party to withholding information that may damage the sport. Occasionally a scandal will break that is too big to contain, a la the Ben Cousins drama. Every now and then a sacrificial lamb is thrown to the public.
His name is usually Brendan Fevola.
Such a mentality is completely foreign to the Sydney rugby league media, who collectively take an aggressive and investigative approach to the sport and the body that runs it. It is called journalism. - Even though News Limited owns half the NRL, they take an antagonistic approach to reporting the game, refusing to bury a scandal or push the agenda of the NRL. If anything, The Daily Telegraph goes too far and engages in gossip-mongering and active undermining of the code.
The result is that NRL scandals get reported, make the front page and are discussed widely while AFL scandals are kept from the newspapers and the forum of public discourse. Footballers are footballers and there is very little difference between the cultures at NRL clubs and AFL clubs. It is merely the attitude towards reportage that is the difference.
It is fair to suggest that the only reason the St Kilda nude photo scandal has hit the public domain in the fashion it has is because the traditional media was circumvented. Kim Duthie has allegedly met with the AFL over 20 times and has reportedly offered the nude photos to media outlets yet outside of a few days where allegations of Duthie’s alleged pregnancy at the hand of a St Kilda player whom she allegedly met at a school function, there has been no mention of her or her story. So she went to social networking to say what she figures needs to be said.
This is not to say her story has any validity. The St Kilda players involved in the photos appear to have done nothing wrong and the allegations that Duthie stole the photos from Sam Gilbert’s laptop have certainly gathered momentum over the last 48 hours. Duthie’s erratic behaviour and low-rent motives also bring her credibility into account.
All that has very little to do with the Melbourne media’s handling of her or this scandal though. She is clearly embittered by something that occurred with the St Kilda Football Club and regardless of whether details should have been revealed, it is arguable that there is a story there that is worthy of reporting. Such a story, no matter how it plays out, clearly hurts the AFL’s family-friendly image though and needed to be squashed.
So now the AFL types writhe, battening down the hatches and marginalising the girl as some crazed spurned lover prone to lying and uncontrolled even by the courts. Perhaps she is. Perhaps she isn’t. That isn’t the point.
The point is that the Melbourne football media do not have the mentality of journalists but the mentality of the AFL marketing department. The old-boys couldn’t save the AFL this time though. And now Andrew Demetriou has some idea of what it is like to be David Gallop, where journalists probe and the media does not simply exist to piss in the sport’s pocket.
A Rugby League View on an AFL Scandal
By Nick Tedeschi on Thu, 23/12.2010
http://www.thebigtip.com.au/afl/rugby-league-view-afl-scandal
As a rugby league fan who has witnessed AFL types take the pointy end of the morality stick every time a rugby league scandal breaks, I have somewhat enjoyed the squirming down south at the St Kilda nude photo scandal.
The traditional Melbourne response to a rugby league scandal is to scold, shake the head solemnly and declare that no such behaviour would ever occur in the AFL. So insecurely protective of their turf, the Melbourne media, for the most part, refuses to acknowledge the existence of the NRL or rugby league despite rugby league being Australia’s highest rating and most watched code.
The only time the NRL gets a mention in the newspapers or on radio (don’t mind television…Nine, trying to appease the AFL in order to win the next rights, refuse to put anything resembling the NRL in Melbourne pre-midnight essentially means there is no NRL on television outside of New South Wales and Queensland) is when a scandal breaks or the AFL pulls a low-rent publicity stunt by paying massive overs to lure a prominent rugby league player to switch codes. AFL fans lap it up, ignorant to the ways of their own media thanks to the insularity they crave so much.
The generalised attitude seems to be that rugby league is a brutal sport played by thugs while AFL footy is a family game played by decent, god-fearing role models. It is a wonderful fairytale that the AFL has concocted and it has certainly been swallowed hook, line and throat-filling sinker by the Melbourne AFL press.
It comes as no surprise that fewer scandals seem to break in the AFL than in the NRL. The Melbourne football media is nothing more than the publicity wing of the AFL, ever-protective of the sport, complicit in the cover-up of scandal and a party to withholding information that may damage the sport. Occasionally a scandal will break that is too big to contain, a la the Ben Cousins drama. Every now and then a sacrificial lamb is thrown to the public.
His name is usually Brendan Fevola.
Such a mentality is completely foreign to the Sydney rugby league media, who collectively take an aggressive and investigative approach to the sport and the body that runs it. It is called journalism. - Even though News Limited owns half the NRL, they take an antagonistic approach to reporting the game, refusing to bury a scandal or push the agenda of the NRL. If anything, The Daily Telegraph goes too far and engages in gossip-mongering and active undermining of the code.
The result is that NRL scandals get reported, make the front page and are discussed widely while AFL scandals are kept from the newspapers and the forum of public discourse. Footballers are footballers and there is very little difference between the cultures at NRL clubs and AFL clubs. It is merely the attitude towards reportage that is the difference.
It is fair to suggest that the only reason the St Kilda nude photo scandal has hit the public domain in the fashion it has is because the traditional media was circumvented. Kim Duthie has allegedly met with the AFL over 20 times and has reportedly offered the nude photos to media outlets yet outside of a few days where allegations of Duthie’s alleged pregnancy at the hand of a St Kilda player whom she allegedly met at a school function, there has been no mention of her or her story. So she went to social networking to say what she figures needs to be said.
This is not to say her story has any validity. The St Kilda players involved in the photos appear to have done nothing wrong and the allegations that Duthie stole the photos from Sam Gilbert’s laptop have certainly gathered momentum over the last 48 hours. Duthie’s erratic behaviour and low-rent motives also bring her credibility into account.
All that has very little to do with the Melbourne media’s handling of her or this scandal though. She is clearly embittered by something that occurred with the St Kilda Football Club and regardless of whether details should have been revealed, it is arguable that there is a story there that is worthy of reporting. Such a story, no matter how it plays out, clearly hurts the AFL’s family-friendly image though and needed to be squashed.
So now the AFL types writhe, battening down the hatches and marginalising the girl as some crazed spurned lover prone to lying and uncontrolled even by the courts. Perhaps she is. Perhaps she isn’t. That isn’t the point.
The point is that the Melbourne football media do not have the mentality of journalists but the mentality of the AFL marketing department. The old-boys couldn’t save the AFL this time though. And now Andrew Demetriou has some idea of what it is like to be David Gallop, where journalists probe and the media does not simply exist to piss in the sport’s pocket.
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I find it funny that 17 year old girls often think they are old enough to drink and go to parties and whatnot but all of a sudden when it suits them, they can't be held accountable (in some people's eyes) because of their age.
I don't know the full story, I just find it funny that this can so often be the case.
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Connecting the dots ....
Connecting the Dots.
Derryn Hinch.
While governments around the world try to grapple with the Internet fallout from Julian Assange and Wikileaks there is a similar struggle going on closer to home with the saga/tragedy/privacy invasion/sex scandal of a case now, inevitably, dubbed Dikileaks.
The courts, the AFL, the St. Kilda Football Club and the media, are all stumbling into unknown territory. A communications world where fact (and fiction) move at lightning speed. A world of blogs and Facebook and Twitter, the so-called ‘social media’, which increasingly make radio and TV news look like Shanks’s Pony.
It is a murky world with which the men in wigs and robes (and the lawmakers) are still grappling. For starters, the usual rules of defamation don’t seem to apply.
In recent days on Twitter we have seen a teenage girl described as ‘a slut’ and ‘a skanky ho’. A football player’s manager depicted as a ‘cocaine-snorting drunk’.
A court issues an injunction forbidding the publication on Facebook of naked pictures of football players. By then they have scattered across the world – disseminated like a space age version of Johnny Appleseed.
Reproduced a zillion times, and captured forever, at the touch of a mouse. It’s like trying to catch an amoeba in a colander.
And, when it comes to reporting news in the usual manner, with the usual defamatory restrictions and some legal impediments to identifying the main players, the mainstream media is caught in a vice not of its own making.
A classic case involved champion jockey Damien Oliver. Around Spring Carnival time Oliver was the subject of Police investigation and court procedures. It was news. But newspapers and radio were reluctant to name him because of a flurry of stories and rumours swirling around the Internet. Somebody might connect the dots.
Likewise, when Collingwood players were accused of sexual assault after the Grand Final. Neil Mitchell was pilloried for naming them on 3AW -- even though their names were spattered all over the ‘social media’. Even though the Internet net, typically, recklessly, caught some players who weren’t involved.
But it gets more complicated. And it comes back to the St. Kilda nude photos story.
I asked on Twitter yesterday: How come no media has made the connection between St.Kilda/teenage nude pic scandal and a current court case?
That case involves a suburban policeman who befriended an alleged teenage shoplifter and then had sex with the girl after taking her a nightclub and plying her with 14 drinks. The girl was pregnant at the time.
The policeman originally had his named suppressed. Although it was being bandied around on Twitter. The suppression order was lifted yesterday. He is Senior Constable Luke Donaghue, aged 34. He faces 14 charges including using his position to procure sex with a child, sexual penetration of a child, and supplying alcohol to an underage person. Donaghue will reappear in court in February.
The alleged victims’ name was not suppressed. Didn’t have to be. Under Section 4 of the Crimes Act you cannot identify the victim of a sexual assault. But why hasn’t the media reported that this girl is the same one at the centre of the Nick Riewoldt stolen photo saga? It is.
Sure, she has willingly been all over Facebook and radio and television – but her name has never been used. And neither should it be. She is still under-age. She remains unidentified. But the facts remain.
Police prosecutor Leesa Thompson told the court in the policeman’s case that the girl was pregnant at the time the cop allegedly contacted her father after the shoplifting incident and offered his daughter counselling.
( Some media reports have tried to give you a ‘nudge, nudge, wink , wink, we really know’ clue by referring to her a ‘St. Kilda schoolgirl’. Schoolgirl/ St Kilda. Get it? Join the dots.)
Her pregnancy, with twins which she lost, was allegedly the result of a liaison with a St. Kilda footballer? Why hasn’t he been charged at least with unlawful carnal knowledge? Sexual penetration of a child?
There are heaps of other questions.
1. People believe Riewoldt’s version of how he was snapped unawares, as he climbed out of bed, by self-styled Candid Camera team mate and team historian Sam Gilbert. The only pic I have seen, shows Riewoldt and a team mate apparently posing for the pic. And the bed seems to have been made up very neatly. Doesn’t compute?
2. Why weren’t Gilbert and Nick Del Santo at the press conference this week? Was Del Santa playing with himself in the same room as his buddies? (And these guys worry about homosexuals in the AFL.)
3. How did the ‘harmless’ pics get from Gilbert’s camera to his hard drive? How did his lap top then get to the girl?
4. What about the text messages about group sex between St. Kilda players and the under-age girl?
5. Can somebody explain that Facebook attack on Riewold purportedly by Andrew Lovett – the former St. Kilda player now facing rape charges? And the link to the Collingwood case?
6. That break in at St. Kilda where lap tops were reportedly stolen. A real crime – or somebody clumsily covering tracks?
Riewoldt says he is suing Channel Seven for defamation for showing a pixilated version of the photo. He’ll have a difficult time winning it if he can’t prove the photos were stolen. A la Fevola and the Bingle shower shot.
This story still, has more heads than Hydra. But some people are forgetting that at the centre of it is a teenager. A girl who at 16 was pregnant with twins to an AFL footballer. Was allegedly caught shoplifting. Had sex with a police officer who told her father he could introduce the daughter to several help programs. And then allegedly helped himself.
A star struck teenager (remember Alisha Horan’s pics of Gary Ablett on her bedroom wall) who felt used and scorned and discarded like worn-out footy gear when she tried to get help or compassion for a teenage mind that now seeks revenge.
And remember: She’s not even eighteen yet.
The St. Kilda Football Club and the players still have a lot of questions to answer.
December 23, 2010
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Connecting the Dots.
Derryn Hinch.
While governments around the world try to grapple with the Internet fallout from Julian Assange and Wikileaks there is a similar struggle going on closer to home with the saga/tragedy/privacy invasion/sex scandal of a case now, inevitably, dubbed Dikileaks.
The courts, the AFL, the St. Kilda Football Club and the media, are all stumbling into unknown territory. A communications world where fact (and fiction) move at lightning speed. A world of blogs and Facebook and Twitter, the so-called ‘social media’, which increasingly make radio and TV news look like Shanks’s Pony.
It is a murky world with which the men in wigs and robes (and the lawmakers) are still grappling. For starters, the usual rules of defamation don’t seem to apply.
In recent days on Twitter we have seen a teenage girl described as ‘a slut’ and ‘a skanky ho’. A football player’s manager depicted as a ‘cocaine-snorting drunk’.
A court issues an injunction forbidding the publication on Facebook of naked pictures of football players. By then they have scattered across the world – disseminated like a space age version of Johnny Appleseed.
Reproduced a zillion times, and captured forever, at the touch of a mouse. It’s like trying to catch an amoeba in a colander.
And, when it comes to reporting news in the usual manner, with the usual defamatory restrictions and some legal impediments to identifying the main players, the mainstream media is caught in a vice not of its own making.
A classic case involved champion jockey Damien Oliver. Around Spring Carnival time Oliver was the subject of Police investigation and court procedures. It was news. But newspapers and radio were reluctant to name him because of a flurry of stories and rumours swirling around the Internet. Somebody might connect the dots.
Likewise, when Collingwood players were accused of sexual assault after the Grand Final. Neil Mitchell was pilloried for naming them on 3AW -- even though their names were spattered all over the ‘social media’. Even though the Internet net, typically, recklessly, caught some players who weren’t involved.
But it gets more complicated. And it comes back to the St. Kilda nude photos story.
I asked on Twitter yesterday: How come no media has made the connection between St.Kilda/teenage nude pic scandal and a current court case?
That case involves a suburban policeman who befriended an alleged teenage shoplifter and then had sex with the girl after taking her a nightclub and plying her with 14 drinks. The girl was pregnant at the time.
The policeman originally had his named suppressed. Although it was being bandied around on Twitter. The suppression order was lifted yesterday. He is Senior Constable Luke Donaghue, aged 34. He faces 14 charges including using his position to procure sex with a child, sexual penetration of a child, and supplying alcohol to an underage person. Donaghue will reappear in court in February.
The alleged victims’ name was not suppressed. Didn’t have to be. Under Section 4 of the Crimes Act you cannot identify the victim of a sexual assault. But why hasn’t the media reported that this girl is the same one at the centre of the Nick Riewoldt stolen photo saga? It is.
Sure, she has willingly been all over Facebook and radio and television – but her name has never been used. And neither should it be. She is still under-age. She remains unidentified. But the facts remain.
Police prosecutor Leesa Thompson told the court in the policeman’s case that the girl was pregnant at the time the cop allegedly contacted her father after the shoplifting incident and offered his daughter counselling.
( Some media reports have tried to give you a ‘nudge, nudge, wink , wink, we really know’ clue by referring to her a ‘St. Kilda schoolgirl’. Schoolgirl/ St Kilda. Get it? Join the dots.)
Her pregnancy, with twins which she lost, was allegedly the result of a liaison with a St. Kilda footballer? Why hasn’t he been charged at least with unlawful carnal knowledge? Sexual penetration of a child?
There are heaps of other questions.
1. People believe Riewoldt’s version of how he was snapped unawares, as he climbed out of bed, by self-styled Candid Camera team mate and team historian Sam Gilbert. The only pic I have seen, shows Riewoldt and a team mate apparently posing for the pic. And the bed seems to have been made up very neatly. Doesn’t compute?
2. Why weren’t Gilbert and Nick Del Santo at the press conference this week? Was Del Santa playing with himself in the same room as his buddies? (And these guys worry about homosexuals in the AFL.)
3. How did the ‘harmless’ pics get from Gilbert’s camera to his hard drive? How did his lap top then get to the girl?
4. What about the text messages about group sex between St. Kilda players and the under-age girl?
5. Can somebody explain that Facebook attack on Riewold purportedly by Andrew Lovett – the former St. Kilda player now facing rape charges? And the link to the Collingwood case?
6. That break in at St. Kilda where lap tops were reportedly stolen. A real crime – or somebody clumsily covering tracks?
Riewoldt says he is suing Channel Seven for defamation for showing a pixilated version of the photo. He’ll have a difficult time winning it if he can’t prove the photos were stolen. A la Fevola and the Bingle shower shot.
This story still, has more heads than Hydra. But some people are forgetting that at the centre of it is a teenager. A girl who at 16 was pregnant with twins to an AFL footballer. Was allegedly caught shoplifting. Had sex with a police officer who told her father he could introduce the daughter to several help programs. And then allegedly helped himself.
A star struck teenager (remember Alisha Horan’s pics of Gary Ablett on her bedroom wall) who felt used and scorned and discarded like worn-out footy gear when she tried to get help or compassion for a teenage mind that now seeks revenge.
And remember: She’s not even eighteen yet.
The St. Kilda Football Club and the players still have a lot of questions to answer.
December 23, 2010
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very true
people underestimate women especially young adults and make them out to be naive
she is 17 and she is responsible for her sexual actions the law states she is above the legal age of consent
if there was anything done against her will by an afl footballer it would be a crime but the case was thrown out
now she regrets the whole situation and doesnt want to take responisibility for her decisions and wants to make as many other peoples lives as miserable as possible and cash in while doing so
sorry i cant defend her or feel sympathy
if she wasnt at the legal age of consent ie under 16 then it would be a different case
where do you draw the line
when are these people ever going to be responsible for their decisions
if she goes gets drunk and has a car accident at 17 is she still unable to be held accountable
It's like when a three year old wants to use a chainsaw, they think they're old enough but as a non-retarded adult we know they're not ****ing old enough and that's the point here, that's why the drinking age is 18 and the legal age of consent is 18, because they're too stupid to make a proper decision before then and guys like you obviously like to take advantage.
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I thought the legal age of consent is 16? Is it not?
Anyway, you missed my point. My point was that girls that age generally want to behave as though they are of age to do things adults are mature enough to do, you know by the legal ages that you outlined, yet when it comes to things like this situation, they want to be able to use their young age as a reason for ****ing up. You and I both know it shouldn't work like that, but it often does.
You can't have it both ways without it being contradictory.
But okay, Hog, go ahead and act as though pray on young girls. Nice one.
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