Opinion Sorry result of NRL coach's unheeded warning

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Tim Elbra

Trent Barrett can't say that he wasn't warned.

Before Barrett signed as Bulldogs coach, rugby league icon Laurie Daley told him that the job - trying to fix a poor team against a background of political infighting - could ruin his career.

"Trent, he's got one more opportunity. If he fails at his next job, well, he's no longer going to be a first-grade coach. I think if he sits back and waits, he will get an opportunity somewhere down the path," Daley said.

"If I was him, if I was guiding him, I'd be saying, 'Mate, be very, very careful'."

Even after Barrett signed with Canterbury, legendary coach Phil Gould urged him to consider reneging on the deal. Daley's warning was startling; Gould's was quite incredible.

"I'm sure that Trent Barrett doesn't know what he's getting himself into and if I was associated with Trent Barrett in any way, shape or form, I think I'd be advising him to reconsider his decision," Gould said.

"I'd be nearly inclined to decline it and go back to where he is [Penrith assistant coach] and just wait a little bit more time because the Bulldogs is an absolute mess. Behind the scenes, it is a toxic mess."

a close up of Trent Barrett holding a phone: Bulldogs coach Trent Barrett during a Penrith Panthers training session.
© Getty Bulldogs coach Trent Barrett during a Penrith Panthers training session.
The Bulldogs have duly slumped to 0-3 in Barrett's first three games. They failed to score a point in their past two games, including against reigning wooden spooners Brisbane last round.

Perhaps the defining image of that game was when Adam Elliott found space and had a simple draw-and-pass for Kyle Flanagan to score, just 12 minutes in with the score still 0-0. Elliott threw the ball too far in front of Flanagan, who fumbled about 10 metres from the line to bomb a certain try.

Even simple things aren't going to come easily to Barrett at Canterbury. The former Dally M Medallist took on a 15th-placed team backed by a warring club boardroom. He did so on his second and probably last chance as an NRL head coach, having exited Manly in acrimonious fashion. The clock is already ticking on his career.

So where to from here, after such a dismal start?

NSW and former Roosters coach Brad Fittler told Wide World of Sports that Barrett must at least be given a fair chance to turn the Bulldogs around. The former Test five-eighth signed a three-year contract.

"It was always going to be hard and the Dogs over the last couple of years just haven't been able to score, for whatever reason," Fittler said on Freddy and the Eighth.

"I'm a Brandon Wakeham fan because I think he's someone who can actually get you points. I don't really see many points in their team.

"I'd have him in there. There's a few other players I think I'd swap around.

"It's one of those things, when you take the job, you're taking it for a couple of years because realistically, I'm not sure anyone though they were going to make the semis this year.

"They've got some good players coming, obviously Matt Burton's one of them. Josh Addo-Carr's another."

a group of baseball players playing a football game: Bulldogs captain Josh Jackson and his side look dejected during a scoreless loss against Penrith.
© Getty Bulldogs captain Josh Jackson and his side look dejected during a scoreless loss against Penrith.
While the Bulldogs have done fairly well with recruitment, welcoming Nick Cotric, Kyle Flanagan, Corey Allan and Jack Hetherington this season, rugby league Immortal Andrew Johns said that the club was lumped with a dreaded burden of being at the foot of the ladder: paying overs.

"It must be hard to rebuild a club when you've got players coming off contract at strong clubs and they can go to the Bulldogs for an extra $100,000 or an extra $150,000," Johns said on Freddy and the Eighth.

"Then you're just weighing up, 'Well, do I want to be happy every week and winning, and winning a title?' It must be so hard."

Fittler said that paying overs also applied to existing players when it came to struggling clubs.

"It's hard because you're paying more for the good players and the ones that you like at your club these days, because managers are just into you, you could pay them more to keep players at your club as well," he said.

"You need some luck, a little bit of luck."

a man on a football field: Bulldogs halfback Kyle Flanagan kicks a conversion against the Knights in Round One.
© Getty Bulldogs halfback Kyle Flanagan kicks a conversion against the Knights in Round One.
And after the early games, apparently some basic skills. Barrett is rebuilding the Bulldogs almost from scratch, with little more than grit on their side; and even that has been lacking somewhat through the first three rounds.

"Defending would be good and holding the ball would be a start as well," Fittler said.

"It's hard to attack from your own end. They're dropping a lot of fundamental, fundamental errors. Seriously."

The Bulldogs last played finals football in 2016, Des Hasler's penultimate season as Canterbury coach. Dean Pay coached the team to two 12th-placed finished before being sacked midway through last season.

Hasler was sent packing after his first failure to make the finals, having guided Canterbury to the finals in the previous five seasons. Pay departed amid claims that he'd never really been given a fair chance to succeed and been "disrespected" by club officials. It remains to be seen how Barrett will be treated.

Barrett was a vaunted attack coach at Penrith and at least seems well-suited to the daunting task of igniting the Bulldogs.

He will no doubt be desperate to welcome Burton to his team in 2022, with the Panthers having denied a release for this season, and will hope that the axe is not already starting to loom over his head next year.
 

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The WHOLE pretense about this article is Barrett taking the job with the background of political infighting which is what Daley's "warning" was all about. There is not ONE example of where the political infighting has affected Barrett's job.

The main problems are no big boppers, handling errors, defence & penalties & set re-starts. No big boppers is something that Barrett could have insisted on, the errors, defence & in part the discipline are the coaches job to fix. It's only 3 games in but we have gone backwards in many areas.
 

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Yes horrible so far this season but Barrett does have 3 seasons to get things right. I for one was expecting much more at the start of this season but maybe our expectations need to be adjusted for this season but I'm still hoping we do the see the team starting to improve from this week.
 

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Tim Elbra

Trent Barrett can't say that he wasn't warned.

Before Barrett signed as Bulldogs coach, rugby league icon Laurie Daley told him that the job - trying to fix a poor team against a background of political infighting - could ruin his career.

"Trent, he's got one more opportunity. If he fails at his next job, well, he's no longer going to be a first-grade coach. I think if he sits back and waits, he will get an opportunity somewhere down the path," Daley said.

"If I was him, if I was guiding him, I'd be saying, 'Mate, be very, very careful'."

Even after Barrett signed with Canterbury, legendary coach Phil Gould urged him to consider reneging on the deal. Daley's warning was startling; Gould's was quite incredible.

"I'm sure that Trent Barrett doesn't know what he's getting himself into and if I was associated with Trent Barrett in any way, shape or form, I think I'd be advising him to reconsider his decision," Gould said.

"I'd be nearly inclined to decline it and go back to where he is [Penrith assistant coach] and just wait a little bit more time because the Bulldogs is an absolute mess. Behind the scenes, it is a toxic mess."

a close up of Trent Barrett holding a phone: Bulldogs coach Trent Barrett during a Penrith Panthers training session.
© Getty Bulldogs coach Trent Barrett during a Penrith Panthers training session.
The Bulldogs have duly slumped to 0-3 in Barrett's first three games. They failed to score a point in their past two games, including against reigning wooden spooners Brisbane last round.

Perhaps the defining image of that game was when Adam Elliott found space and had a simple draw-and-pass for Kyle Flanagan to score, just 12 minutes in with the score still 0-0. Elliott threw the ball too far in front of Flanagan, who fumbled about 10 metres from the line to bomb a certain try.

Even simple things aren't going to come easily to Barrett at Canterbury. The former Dally M Medallist took on a 15th-placed team backed by a warring club boardroom. He did so on his second and probably last chance as an NRL head coach, having exited Manly in acrimonious fashion. The clock is already ticking on his career.

So where to from here, after such a dismal start?

NSW and former Roosters coach Brad Fittler told Wide World of Sports that Barrett must at least be given a fair chance to turn the Bulldogs around. The former Test five-eighth signed a three-year contract.

"It was always going to be hard and the Dogs over the last couple of years just haven't been able to score, for whatever reason," Fittler said on Freddy and the Eighth.

"I'm a Brandon Wakeham fan because I think he's someone who can actually get you points. I don't really see many points in their team.

"I'd have him in there. There's a few other players I think I'd swap around.

"It's one of those things, when you take the job, you're taking it for a couple of years because realistically, I'm not sure anyone though they were going to make the semis this year.

"They've got some good players coming, obviously Matt Burton's one of them. Josh Addo-Carr's another."

a group of baseball players playing a football game: Bulldogs captain Josh Jackson and his side look dejected during a scoreless loss against Penrith.
© Getty Bulldogs captain Josh Jackson and his side look dejected during a scoreless loss against Penrith.
While the Bulldogs have done fairly well with recruitment, welcoming Nick Cotric, Kyle Flanagan, Corey Allan and Jack Hetherington this season, rugby league Immortal Andrew Johns said that the club was lumped with a dreaded burden of being at the foot of the ladder: paying overs.

"It must be hard to rebuild a club when you've got players coming off contract at strong clubs and they can go to the Bulldogs for an extra $100,000 or an extra $150,000," Johns said on Freddy and the Eighth.

"Then you're just weighing up, 'Well, do I want to be happy every week and winning, and winning a title?' It must be so hard."

Fittler said that paying overs also applied to existing players when it came to struggling clubs.

"It's hard because you're paying more for the good players and the ones that you like at your club these days, because managers are just into you, you could pay them more to keep players at your club as well," he said.

"You need some luck, a little bit of luck."

a man on a football field: Bulldogs halfback Kyle Flanagan kicks a conversion against the Knights in Round One.
© Getty Bulldogs halfback Kyle Flanagan kicks a conversion against the Knights in Round One.
And after the early games, apparently some basic skills. Barrett is rebuilding the Bulldogs almost from scratch, with little more than grit on their side; and even that has been lacking somewhat through the first three rounds.

"Defending would be good and holding the ball would be a start as well," Fittler said.

"It's hard to attack from your own end. They're dropping a lot of fundamental, fundamental errors. Seriously."

The Bulldogs last played finals football in 2016, Des Hasler's penultimate season as Canterbury coach. Dean Pay coached the team to two 12th-placed finished before being sacked midway through last season.

Hasler was sent packing after his first failure to make the finals, having guided Canterbury to the finals in the previous five seasons. Pay departed amid claims that he'd never really been given a fair chance to succeed and been "disrespected" by club officials. It remains to be seen how Barrett will be treated.

Barrett was a vaunted attack coach at Penrith and at least seems well-suited to the daunting task of igniting the Bulldogs.

He will no doubt be desperate to welcome Burton to his team in 2022, with the Panthers having denied a release for this season, and will hope that the axe is not already starting to loom over his head next year.
Fuck knows why I read this shit. The media can't help themselves. Here they are rehashing comments made 6 months ago. Its fucking disgraceful.
 

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Fuck the media are a joke. Yet again nowhere in the media are they questioning or criticising Des in his third season at Manly for conceding over 30ppg with a team littered with rep players. He really does have the media wrapped around his finger and the agenda against certain clubs is pathetic.
 

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Daley - great player .... average coach
Phil Gould ...... knows everything clearly
Fittler - great player .... average coach
Johns great player ..... never coached
Barrett .... ok player .... has shown nothing as a coach .... overrated

But seriously the team is awful .... bill belechik couldn’t get something out of these halfwits
 

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this is a more complicated topic than what these commentators are giving credit

for example, if Barrett were to fail as head coach of the current 'Dogs in isolation would be no death knell to his coaching career... the issue for Barrett was his failure as head coach of the Sea Eagles and NSW looking elsewhere when Barrett wanted the Origin coaching role... add a potential further failure with us and Barrett quite possibly will be done as a head coach... so it is partly us but also partly Barrett's past but that is not referenced by these talking heads
 

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Shit article. Nobody was expecting miracles, even the most optimistic of Dogs fans. But signalling the end of Barretts coaching career after three rounds is going off well before he's played his hand.

Daley - great player .... average coach
Phil Gould ...... knows everything clearly
Fittler - great player .... average coach
Johns great player ..... never coached
Barrett .... ok player .... has shown nothing as a coach .... overrated

But seriously the team is awful .... bill belechik couldn’t get something out of these halfwits
Would change that.
Daley - Great player ..... Not a coaches arsehole. He's somewhere below Geoff Toovey who isn't a coaches arsehole either.
Phil Gould - Shit player - Only coaching success he ever had was with a well drilled Bulldogs team that were still playing with a superb team that had been taught plenty by the coaches prior to his time. He is the most opinionated talking head in the game. But hindsight is a specialty and he's gained much of his reputation by pointing out the blatantly obvious after something happens in a game.
Fittler - Great player - Not a coaches arsehole. Took a pretty talent packed team and taught them to shit in hotel hallways while he stripped naked and propositioned married women with husband and kids in that same hotel room.
Johns - Highly good to great player but massively over rated IMO. Has enough charisma to be a popular commentator. But is also a hindsight specialist like Gould.
Barrett - Great player - Didn't do well with Manly, but the jury is still out on his coaching career. How he builds for next season will be the making or breaking of him.
 

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Baz represents genuine ambition to get to the top. This means taking risks. If people can't stomach the downside of risks then get Pay back so we can aspire to hitting the giddy heights of 12th every season.
Our only expectation with this team atm can only be pride in the jumper and a bare minimum of mistakes and own goals.

With a slow build to small improvement towards the back end of the year in preparation for 2022.
 

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Baz represents genuine ambition to get to the top. This means taking risks. If people can't stomach the downside of risks then get Pay back so we can aspire to hitting the giddy heights of 12th every season.
A lot of these players have been under multiple coaches for the past 4 years and are still playing shit. They are just not first graders

You can only polish a turd so much. I have full faith in Baz and will judge him after 3 years.

The following players Baz inherited wouldn’t get a run in ANY other side this weekend :

Katoa
Hopoate
Lewis
Ogden
Katoa
Napa
Jackson (debatable but he looks gone)
Atoni
Britt

That’s more than half the side that wouldn’t make another NRL side

He ain’t a friggen miracle worker
 
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