More surprising is just how many pro-Nazis there are amongst 'Dogs fans on a fan forum
My favourite part of that article is:
Yep, that's all it comes down to for me. Russia is the aggressor and it's entirely their fault no matter how they try to justify it.
Also Ukraine are angry they got invaded so if they tortured, its that reason.
Are you Serbian mate? I remember you mentioning you were from the Balkans
Is there any conspiracy you don't believe?
I could ask the same of you, only replace the CIA coined term you use with western propaganda
Thought appointing a well known neo Nazi to head one of those anti Russian mercenary groups was a stupid choice tbh.
Legalities are for a competent and independent court to determine... which won't ever happen
And to think people have accused me of writing novels ... fuck meLegalities are for a competent and independent court to determine... which won't ever happen
How about one example of Nazism in Ukraine that even the staunchest Ukraine ally and ardent Russophobes could not stomach -->
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Poland condemns Ukraine’s commemoration of wartime nationalist leader Bandera
JAN 2, 2023 | HISTORY, POLITICS
After officials and institutions in Ukraine – including the national parliament – marked the birth anniversary of nationalist leader Stepan Bandera, Polish government figures have criticised the commemoration of a man they see as responsible for the genocide of ethnic Poles and Jews.
Despite Poland and Ukraine having forged an extremely close alliance against Russian aggression this year, remembrance of World War Two history – and in particular the massacre of up to 100,000 Polish civilians by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) – continues to be a bone of contention.
Bandera – who led the OUN-B political organisation that formed the UPA – is seen as a hero by many in Ukraine for his role in fighting for national independence. Critics, however, see him as a fascist and Nazi collaborator.
Among those to mark the 114th anniversary of Bandera’s birth yesterday was Ukraine’s parliament. It tweeted an image of Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the current commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, under a portrait of Bandera.
“The complete and final victory of Ukrainian nationalism will come when the Russian empire ceases to exist,” wrote the parliamentary account alongside the image, quoted by the Polish Press Agency (PAP).
“A fight against the Russian empire is currently underway,” it added. “And the guidelines of Stepan Bandera are well known to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.”
Although the post was later deleted, it drew condemnation in Warsaw from both government and opposition figures.
“The commemoration of Stepan Bandera, responsible for the mass murder of the Polish population, on the profile of the [parliament] of Ukraine must raise objections,” wrote Radosław Fogiel, a senior figure from the ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party.
“This must be made clear, especially to friends – all the more so [now] that Ukraine has new, true heroes” to commemorate, added Forgiel, who is chairman of the parliamentary foreign affairs committee. The spokesman for Poland’s foreign ministry, Łukasz Jasina, tweeted to express his agreement with Fogiel’s words.
In a separate statement, carried by state broadcaster TVP, Jasina said: “Our attitude to the crimes committed by the UPA remains unchanged. We hope that the rapprochement of the Polish and Ukrainian nations will lead to a better understanding of our common history.”
Subsequently, the prime minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, told PAP that the government took “an extremely critical [stance] towards any glorification or even remembrance of Bandera”. He added that there had been “terrible Ukrainian crimes” during the war, including “genocide”.
Morawiecki pledged that he would raise the issue during his next conversation with Ukrainian counterpart Denys Shmyhal.
An opposition leader, Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz, head of the Polish People’s Party (PSL), likewise tweeted: “Bandera is responsible for genocide. Remembrance of a criminal by the Ukrainian parliament will not build good Polish-Ukrainian relations…[which] can only be built on truth.”
Another Ukrainian official to commemorate Bandera yesterday was Andriy Sadovyi, the mayor of Lviv, which before World War Two was the Polish city of Lwów.
“A new generation, which grew up on the example of Stepan Bandera, have gone into battle with the new Moscow horde,” he wrote on Facebook, alongside an image of a monument to the wartime leader. “[His] biography is a story of indomitability.”
In Lviv, hundreds of people gathered at the monument to mark the anniversary of Bandera’s birth.
In June, Poland’s foreign ministry intervened after Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany, Andrii Melnyk, denied that Bandera was responsible for the mass murder of ethnic Poles and Jews and also sought to justify his collaboration with Nazi Germany.
Although the Ukrainian foreign ministry distanced itself from Melnyk’s remarks at the time, a few months later he was appointed deputy foreign minister. Polish government figures called that decision “unacceptable”.
In 2021, the Polish and Israeli ambassadors to Ukraine jointly condemned a decision to name a stadium in Ternopil after Roman Shukhevych, a collaborator with Nazi Germany linked to the massacres of ethnic Poles and Jews.
However, recent years have also seen efforts to reach reconciliation over wartime history, led in particular by Presidents Volodymyr Zelensky and Andrzej Duda.
Speaking in July, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that Russia’s invasion offered Ukraine and Poland an opportunity to finally achieve that reconciliation.
In November, Ukrainian authorities gave permission for Polish specialists to search and exhume the graves of ethnic Poles killed by Ukrainian nationalists in one village during the war.
Main image credit: Андрій Садовий/Facebook
https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/01/02/poland-condemns-ukraines-commemoration-of-wartime-nationalist-leader-bandera/
Speaking in her interview for “Die Zeit”, published on December 7, German ex-Chancellor Merkel said the following: “The 2014 Minsk Agreement was an attempt to buy time for Ukraine. Ukraine used this time to become stronger, as you can see today. Ukraine in 2014-2015 and Ukraine today are not the same.” According to the ex-Chancellor, “it was clear for everyone” that the conflict was suspended and the problem was not resolved, “but it was exactly what gave Ukraine the priceless time.”
I copy and pasted the article... twit
Maybe Australians really should think more broadly if it is going to run around the world on every American regime change interventionist adventure
Did you have any trouble with Australia helping the invasion of iraq 20 years ago?
Is this meant to be evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi state or something?Legalities are for a competent and independent court to determine... which won't ever happen
How about one example of Nazism in Ukraine that even the staunchest Ukraine ally and ardent Russophobes could not stomach -->
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Poland condemns Ukraine’s commemoration of wartime nationalist leader Bandera
JAN 2, 2023 | HISTORY, POLITICS
After officials and institutions in Ukraine – including the national parliament – marked the birth anniversary of nationalist leader Stepan Bandera, Polish government figures have criticised the commemoration of a man they see as responsible for the genocide of ethnic Poles and Jews.
Despite Poland and Ukraine having forged an extremely close alliance against Russian aggression this year, remembrance of World War Two history – and in particular the massacre of up to 100,000 Polish civilians by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) – continues to be a bone of contention.
Bandera – who led the OUN-B political organisation that formed the UPA – is seen as a hero by many in Ukraine for his role in fighting for national independence. Critics, however, see him as a fascist and Nazi collaborator.
Among those to mark the 114th anniversary of Bandera’s birth yesterday was Ukraine’s parliament. It tweeted an image of Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the current commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, under a portrait of Bandera.
“The complete and final victory of Ukrainian nationalism will come when the Russian empire ceases to exist,” wrote the parliamentary account alongside the image, quoted by the Polish Press Agency (PAP).
“A fight against the Russian empire is currently underway,” it added. “And the guidelines of Stepan Bandera are well known to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.”
Although the post was later deleted, it drew condemnation in Warsaw from both government and opposition figures.
“The commemoration of Stepan Bandera, responsible for the mass murder of the Polish population, on the profile of the [parliament] of Ukraine must raise objections,” wrote Radosław Fogiel, a senior figure from the ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party.
“This must be made clear, especially to friends – all the more so [now] that Ukraine has new, true heroes” to commemorate, added Forgiel, who is chairman of the parliamentary foreign affairs committee. The spokesman for Poland’s foreign ministry, Łukasz Jasina, tweeted to express his agreement with Fogiel’s words.
In a separate statement, carried by state broadcaster TVP, Jasina said: “Our attitude to the crimes committed by the UPA remains unchanged. We hope that the rapprochement of the Polish and Ukrainian nations will lead to a better understanding of our common history.”
Subsequently, the prime minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, told PAP that the government took “an extremely critical [stance] towards any glorification or even remembrance of Bandera”. He added that there had been “terrible Ukrainian crimes” during the war, including “genocide”.
Morawiecki pledged that he would raise the issue during his next conversation with Ukrainian counterpart Denys Shmyhal.
An opposition leader, Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz, head of the Polish People’s Party (PSL), likewise tweeted: “Bandera is responsible for genocide. Remembrance of a criminal by the Ukrainian parliament will not build good Polish-Ukrainian relations…[which] can only be built on truth.”
Another Ukrainian official to commemorate Bandera yesterday was Andriy Sadovyi, the mayor of Lviv, which before World War Two was the Polish city of Lwów.
“A new generation, which grew up on the example of Stepan Bandera, have gone into battle with the new Moscow horde,” he wrote on Facebook, alongside an image of a monument to the wartime leader. “[His] biography is a story of indomitability.”
In Lviv, hundreds of people gathered at the monument to mark the anniversary of Bandera’s birth.
In June, Poland’s foreign ministry intervened after Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany, Andrii Melnyk, denied that Bandera was responsible for the mass murder of ethnic Poles and Jews and also sought to justify his collaboration with Nazi Germany.
Although the Ukrainian foreign ministry distanced itself from Melnyk’s remarks at the time, a few months later he was appointed deputy foreign minister. Polish government figures called that decision “unacceptable”.
In 2021, the Polish and Israeli ambassadors to Ukraine jointly condemned a decision to name a stadium in Ternopil after Roman Shukhevych, a collaborator with Nazi Germany linked to the massacres of ethnic Poles and Jews.
However, recent years have also seen efforts to reach reconciliation over wartime history, led in particular by Presidents Volodymyr Zelensky and Andrzej Duda.
Speaking in July, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that Russia’s invasion offered Ukraine and Poland an opportunity to finally achieve that reconciliation.
In November, Ukrainian authorities gave permission for Polish specialists to search and exhume the graves of ethnic Poles killed by Ukrainian nationalists in one village during the war.
Main image credit: Андрій Садовий/Facebook
https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/01/02/poland-condemns-ukraines-commemoration-of-wartime-nationalist-leader-bandera/
Redirecting anger. It's either this or give in to the temptation to punch a Parramatta supporter, or a referee.
Maybe Ukraine and the collective West have dehumanised Russians to the point that even a Russian tourist killed in a shark attack in Egypt is a source for merriment
A Nazi bent at least by their parliament, their Army Chief of Staff, their Deputy Foreign Minister etc. of a figure proclaimed 'Hero of Ukraine' in 2010
