Pope Francis says priests cannot bless same-sex unions

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ROME — Pope Francis has invited LGBT advocates to the Vatican. He has spoken warmly about the place of gays in the church. He has called for national laws for same-sex civil unions.
But Monday, Francis definitively signaled the limits to his reformist intentions, signing off on a Vatican decree that reaffirms old church teaching and bars priests from blessing same-sex unions.

The pronouncement, issued at a time when some clerics were interested in performing such blessings, leans on the kind of language that LGBT Catholics have long found alienating — and that they had hoped Francis might change. It says that same-sex unions are “not ordered to the Creator’s plan.” It says acknowledging those unions is “illicit.” It says that God “cannot bless sin.”
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The decree shows how Francis, rather than revolutionizing the church’s stance toward gays, has taken a far more complicated approach, speaking in welcoming terms while maintaining the official teaching. That leaves gay Catholics wondering about their place within the faith, when the catechism calls homosexual acts “disordered” but the pontiff says, “Who am I to judge?

Francis “has extended a warmer welcome than any of his predecessors have done,” said Patrick Hornbeck, a Fordham University professor of theology who is gay, married and Episcopalian. “But today’s statement shows that his hospitality has limits.”
Few who have carefully followed Francis’s words expected him to dramatically alter the church’s stance on LGBT matters. Many times, he has stated his opposition to same-sex marriage. Officially, the church says that sex should be between a man and a woman, for the purpose of procreation. Changing any part of that would also prompt a reconsideration of other church positions, whether on gender or contraception.
Though the Vatican did not specify what prompted the decree, it was written in response to existing doctrinal questions. Some Vatican watchers speculated that the church might be responding directly to bishops in Germany, who are in the middle of a multiyear series of meetings — to the alarm of conservatives — aimed at reevaluating major aspects of the church, including sexuality and the role of women.
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In a 2019 interview with The Washington Post, Bishop Franz-Josef Bode, the deputy chairman of the German bishops’ conference, said that although he could not bless same-sex unions — “that would not be approved by Rome,” he said — he didn’t object if priests wanted to be with couples in a civil ceremony outside the church.

“I like to give the priests freedom to decide themselves,” Bode said.
Monday’s note referred vaguely to proposals to bless same-sex unions “being advanced” in some quarters.
But the church’s doctrinal body, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said blessings can only be invoked on a relationship when it is “positively ordered to receive and express grace.”
In some issues of controversy, Francis has left decision-making up to local churches, comfortable with policy that varies from country to country or even parish to parish. But in this case, Francis took the opposite approach — one that will put pressure on liberal clerics to fall in line.
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Chad Pecknold, a conservative theologian at Catholic University, said Francis was following in the mold of Pope Paul VI, who had seemed open to doctrinal change on sexual morality but then issued a 1968 edict reiterating the church’s ban on artificial birth control.

“This is Francis doing much the same — shocking progressives by affirming the church’s teaching that sexual activity outside of the marriage of one man and one woman is contrary to the good of human dignity,” Pecknold said.
The church said Monday that its determination was not intended to be “a form of unjust discrimination” and called on priests to welcome those with “homosexual inclinations” with respect and sensitivity. The decree said individual gay people could continue to be blessed by the church, provided they show “the will to live in fidelity to the revealed plans of God as proposed by Church teaching.”

The statement from the Vatican is fairly brief — 1½ pages — and begins with a succinct question, asking whether the church had the power to bless same-sex unions.

“RESPONSE: Negative,” the document answers, going on to elaborate.

The decree comes just five months after Francis roused hopes among LGBT Catholics with comments calling for same-sex couples to be “legally covered” by civil union laws. But there was a bit of mystery about whether the pope’s remarks had been meant to become public. The comments surfaced in a documentary premiere, but they had originated from a portion of a 2019 interview with a Mexican broadcaster that was never aired.
Steve White, a fellow in the Catholic Studies Program at the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, said people who expected Pope Francis to change the church’s position on same-sex unions were not being realistic.

White, who describes himself as conservative, believes the pope is simply reiterating existing church teaching, even as he has expressed love for people who are LGBT without condoning their partnerships.


“This isn’t a waffling back-and-forth from Pope Francis,” he said. “This is totally consistent with statements like ‘Who am I to judge?’ People who don’t see that are misunderstanding the pope.”
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But many gay Catholics, speaking Monday, said they felt betrayed or wounded by the church. Marianne Duddy-Burke, executive director of DignityUSA, America’s largest spiritual community of gay Catholics, said it is “hard for a lot of people to understand just how far removed the church is from human rights advances that are being made in the rest of society.”

Aurelio Mancuso, former head of Arcigay, Italy’s leading gay rights group, said that in a 2016 ceremony with his partner, a priest had blessed their wedding bands — and that such acts would continue to go on, “regardless of the reprimands.”
“Catholic homosexuals like me know the opinions and traditions of the Catholic Church,” Mancuso said. “The gist of it is that we’re not part of the Creator’s design, and are thus a sin, something that has to be corrected. It’s intolerable that the hierarchy — not the church — stubbornly keeps justifying a discrimination.”
But, he said, no matter the determinations inside the Vatican, the gates for greater acceptance had “already swung open.”
“This is a document that nobody needed,” Mancuso said. “It’s not about the truth of faith, but the opinion of the hierarchy.”
 

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Nasheed here,
This Pope finally shows some balls. At least his legacy won’t be that of the anti Christ anymore
 

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The Catholic Church has a long and sordid history of advocating discrimination so this comes as no surprise. And I just love the way this rancid, festering, malignant institution differentiates between gays are bad, but protecting paedophile priests, oh that's aok.
 

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Eh...

I'm not sure why anyone would expect him to bless it. He has been pretty progressive, but he's still part of Catholicism and the rules in Catholicism are pretty straight forward.

Want to have a same-sex marriage? Don't be Catholic. Pretty simple really
 

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The Catholic Church has a long and sordid history of advocating discrimination so this comes as no surprise. And I just love the way this rancid, festering, malignant institution differentiates between gays are bad, but protecting paedophile priests, oh that's aok.
Advocating discrimination? How exactly do they discriminate?
 

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Advocating discrimination? How exactly do they discriminate?
discrimination

noun

  1. 1.
    the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or disability.
I understand you won't see what I just posted with your god glasses on, but you'll just have to accept that your church is discriminatory based on the meaning of the word.
 

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discrimination

noun

  1. 1.
    the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or disability.
I understand you won't see what I just posted with your god glasses on, but you'll just have to accept that your church is discriminatory based on the meaning of the word.
I'm not asking for a definition of the word. I'm after an example of how this has happened.
 

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The Catholic Church has a long and sordid history of advocating discrimination so this comes as no surprise. And I just love the way this rancid, festering, malignant institution differentiates between gays are bad, but protecting paedophile priests, oh that's aok.
The sacredness of the confessional is above the law mate :(
 

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I obviously can't speak on behalf of every LGBT community member, but I'm sure their main aim is to be treated equally with the rest of us sinners. Im not catholic but im sure the Church won't turn them away from attending Church just for being gay.

There may be some Catholic LGBT members who may like to get married in the Church but they would be the first to realise the Church can't bless their union for obvious reasons.
 

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I heard they didn't even invite Satan to the Christmas party. Disgusting.
Well if you believe one of the popular conspiracy theories going around Christian, Muslim and Jewish circles, Satan hides in plain sight in the Vatican lol

I wonder if he rents or owns lol
 

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I'm not asking for a definition of the word. I'm after an example of how this has happened.
No you're not because if you were you would recognise what you posted as discrimination. What you want is to excuse your church for being even more irrelevant in modern societies.
 

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The sacredness of the confessional is above the law mate :(
Not to go down the rabbit hole but confession is not biblical and un-needed.

You want to confess your sins and ask for forgiveness, forget the middle MAN and ask God directly.

I even remember when I was in primary school they wanted to kick me out because even as a 3rd grader, I refused to go to confession.
 
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That so called sacredness is little more than a self-serving convenience to protect paedophile priests.
Those evil priests (not all) have a special place in hell for them as they are the real blasphemers, they use God and the Church to hide their evil while dirtying the church and causing people to tar the church with the same brush as they deserve.

When people say evil has infiltrated the church, this is the evil they are speaking of.

PS the evil c***s that protect the pedo fucks are as bad or even worse than the pedo fucks themselves.
 

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Not to go down the rabbit hole but confession is not biblical and un-needed.

You want to confess your sins and ask for forgiveness, forget the middle MAN and ask God directly.
Yes I totally agree. Decentness and faith comes from within oneself and your own values of what's right and wrong.

Some of the most despicable, unkind people I have met are christians.

I was reading this:

"In the Catholic church, the priest in effect “deputises” for God: he is a conduit, a mouthpiece if you like. He embodies, in that box, this fundamental Christian belief – that we can all be forgiven.
The logic of that belief is that the confessional is an entirely safe space – one of the only truly safe spaces in human life. So yes, child abuse is beyond contempt as a crime; but the child abuser, in common with any sinner – indeed, any human being – is forgivable and will always be forgivable, even if only by God. To deny that seems to me to be to deny our humanity. We must always separate the wrong from the wrongdoer, or what hope is there for redemption, and the crucial possibility of another chance, a better tomorrow, a reformed world?"
 

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No you're not because if you were you would recognise what you posted as discrimination. What you want is to excuse your church for being even more irrelevant in modern societies.
You said the Church discriminates. The Church does not discriminate, that have conservative values which have stuck firm for centuries and will not change based on law. The Church does NOT discriminate because they welcome people of all races, sexes, colours, and even beliefs (yes, beliefs), into their doors. What society misinterprets is these conservative beliefs thanks to the media.


A wise man makes his own decisions; and ignorant man follows the public opinion - Grantland Rice.
 
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