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Read this it will blow your mind - do you have anything interesting for everyone to read. New things appearing all the time

Not bad for technology that is over 50 years old - see Operation Popeye Vietnam War. It's not new at all.
 

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Cloud seeding has been around for a long time but it's not very effective. It's very expensive to do in general (drones reduce this cost over plane seeding), and it's unpredictable. The main problem you get is that when you seed the clouds, the wind carries them away somewhere else.

So in order to seed clouds, you have to know the exact wind patterns, then you have to fly drones into another country's airspace then seed the clouds without sparking a war.
 

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Read this it will blow your mind - do you have anything interesting for everyone to read. New things appearing all the time

Interesting, if you believe some borderline conspiracy theory stuff this falls into the whole HAARP weather controlling machine stuff. Supposedly there are 4 including US, China and not sure if we were included on that list or not. Supposedly able to weaponise the weather by creating major storm systems and hurricanes etc.

It was based on initial military research I think around the 1970s of sewing clouds with iodine to create rain. Interesting with this article that they also talked about the storm aspect of the rain clouds, and that it appears in a mainstream news website.
 

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I met Bob Katter a few years back, and he's keen on digging a channel from Spencer Gulf to Lake Eyre. As the lake is below sea level, no pumping would be required, and the lake would become a permanent seaway. Katter's idea is that it would then create its own weather patterns due to evaporation, and the clouds would form and make rain over western Qld.

There are so many environmental issues with this, but it would probably work. It would also take away his fixation about crocodile attacks, and have him get upset about shark attacks in Central Australia.
 

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Interesting about the waterway idea as it looks like it could work but the effects would be hard to predict. Rather than it just being a Central Qld thing though, if you look at maps you could continue the trench through Lake Torrens which is nearby and down to Port Augusta, it would open up passage between northern and southern Australia almost in a Suez Canal sort of way.
 

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I met Bob Katter a few years back, and he's keen on digging a channel from Spencer Gulf to Lake Eyre. As the lake is below sea level, no pumping would be required, and the lake would become a permanent seaway. Katter's idea is that it would then create its own weather patterns due to evaporation, and the clouds would form and make rain over western Qld.

There are so many environmental issues with this, but it would probably work. It would also take away his fixation about crocodile attacks, and have him get upset about shark attacks in Central Australia.
I have a friend who used to work for the CSIRO. He told me about a similar plan they were discussing about 30 years back.

The original idea for it was to dig a canal right down the centre of Australia to increase rainfall and turn the land fertile, then use the crops to feed the world.

Apparently they eventually gave up becuase it was too expensive and they couldn't gaurentee it would work. Also, it's a long term plan which means if the current government pushed the plan ahead, it wouldn't help them win the next election and would probably lead to them losing the next election due to the spending.
 

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I have a friend who used to work for the CSIRO. He told me about a similar plan they were discussing about 30 years back.

The original idea for it was to dig a canal right down the centre of Australia to increase rainfall and turn the land fertile, then use the crops to feed the world.

Apparently they eventually gave up becuase it was too expensive and they couldn't gaurentee it would work. Also, it's a long term plan which means if the current government pushed the plan ahead, it wouldn't help them win the next election and would probably lead to them losing the next election due to the spending.
I like the idea because so much of that inland area looks like it was former lakes, sea beds etc.

Assuming the weather pattern changes worked, having new inland rivers and lakes etc would help our population growth with new major regional towns and coastal cities near the coastal mouths in and out. There's other link ups that could be done as well.
 

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I have a friend who used to work for the CSIRO. He told me about a similar plan they were discussing about 30 years back.

The original idea for it was to dig a canal right down the centre of Australia to increase rainfall and turn the land fertile, then use the crops to feed the world.

Apparently they eventually gave up becuase it was too expensive and they couldn't gaurentee it would work. Also, it's a long term plan which means if the current government pushed the plan ahead, it wouldn't help them win the next election and would probably lead to them losing the next election due to the spending.
They need a separate tax bucket that funds these kinds of projects.
 

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What next fake suns in Antarctica???Filthy rich arabs should never have built there in the first place. Don’t fuck with nature There’s a reason it’s a desert.
 

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What next fake suns in Antarctica???Filthy rich arabs should never have built there in the first place. Don’t fuck with nature There’s a reason it’s a desert.
I agree to not around with nature. At Beijing Olympics they found a way to put salt in the clouds to make the sky clearer. Perception is everything to some
 

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Didn’t china do this like 10 years ago
 

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So why do we still have droughts across Australia
 

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Didn’t china do this like 10 years ago
Yep. Many countries used it before China.

China showed the main problem with it though. China used it to force it to rain so there wouldn't be enough water vapour in the atmosphere by the time the Olympics started. And it worked to the most part.

That's one of the problems though. If you want to make it rain then you need water vapour. So it isn't effective in a desert, but can be effective somewhere near the ocean (like Oman), as long as the wind blows the right direction.
 

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So why do we still have droughts across Australia
Because central Australia is too far from the oceans and our wind patterns don't carry moisture out to the desert.

Basically put, you can't make something from nothing. If there's no moisture there in the first place then you're just filling the air with salt that will come back down without the water.

Need to have a way to get moisture to the desert/farm area first.

Plus the expense. It's cheaper just to ship tanks of water out to the farms. If they can't afford that then they definitely can't afford to seed the clouds.
 
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