In the Pell case There was zero evidence to support the allegations except the victims version of events. Apart from Pell having multiple people Who gave evidence which made the allegations impossible (if believed), there was also evidence of Pell’s routine after mass which made it impossible for the events to have taken place in the way they were alleged.
An eye witness testimony versus the other eye witness who refused to take the stand. All other "witnesses", were witness to BAU process, not the event in question.
The first trial, the magistrate clearly explained what "reasonable doubt" was to the jury, yet it was still as 12-0 outcome from the jury.
The appeals court, would have a better understanding than your average citizen of "reasonable doubt", and found it 2-1 in favour of the victim. They also found the victim to be a credible witness.
The high court (if you have the money to go that far), called on a technicality of not reaching reasonable doubt. They also found the victim credible, however, they felt there wasn't enough evidence to reach beyond "reasonable doubt".
Again, like usual, your skewing the facts.
the fact the high court overruled the jury and the appeals judges should tell you everything you need to know. The high court does this so rarely that it clearly indicates deficiencies in the Victorian courts.
Again skewing the facts. It came down to a VERY technical definition of "reasonable doubt". The magistrate, in the first trial, EXPLAINED TO THE JURY what reasonable doubt means. The jury, being our fellow citizens and average joes, are not in tune to the ins and outs of legal definition/terminology. Furthermore the appeals court rejected the appeal and it had to be taken to a high court to get off on a technicality.
Also worth noting that the complaint only came oit after the Victorian police went trawling for anyone Who would come forward to say Pell had abused them.
im glad I don’t live in Victoria because there are some very weird things that happen in their police and judicial systems.
Bullshit conspiracy theory without ANY JUSTIFICATION WHAT SO EVER. But again you listen to that dumb fuck Andrew Bolt, no doubt his talking points.
How about a royal commission was conducted, victims finally felt their VOICES WERE BEING HEARD and as a consequence finally had the conviction to step up and lodge a complaint.
But nah, it's a political witch hunt. FFS that dumb!
These two statements contradict?
No Alan's staements don't contradict, it's quite crystal clear what he is saying. But again we some skewing.
But I think a fair and reasonable person would look at his posts over the last day or two and conclude that he does seem to have a general hatred to anything associated with catholics, to the point where he is completely misreading making up things about the Pell case which simply aren't true.
I think a fair and reasonable person would read your posts and conclude that you parrot whatever andrew bolt says, which isn't really a glowing reference given bolt is a zero.
To be fair to him, many people in Australia have done this and it seems to be because of the media's treatment of the Pell case (where there was almost no one willing to write the facts and how poorly the case was handled by Vic police from the start and then by the victorian courts once it went to trial).
It was a made up witch hunt people by the victorian courts and police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
totally agree. I was just making sure that people didn't accuse me of hiding any particular bias I might have.
No bias what so ever, of course. But it was a WITCH HUNT by victorian police!!!! Don't ask me for proof, just look at them!!!!!
There were no technicalities unless you believe that the rule of law and the correct usage of beyond a reasonable doubt is a technicality. And if you think that, you may belong in communist China and not Australia
Bloody communist victorian government, they're just like the Chinese!!!!!! But I'm not biased I swear!!!!!!!
I'm not saying Pell did or didn't know what was going on back then, but i am saying that none of us are going to find out the truth because too many people are more interested in holding their ideological lines and either finding him innocent or finding him guilty.
Bloody commie victorian state govt, courts and police!!!!!!
It's the same reason why he couldn't get a fair trial. Look how keen one of the juries was in finding him guilty (despite the significant evidence to the contrary)
FFS, facepalm. More skewing of the facts.
The victim/witness WAS FOUND TO BE CREDIBLE!!!!!!
In summary, this whole Pell issue is a perfect case study in why ideology is so dangerous, because it often prevents any truth from being found.
You don't say?Gees your ideology has just bee seeping through your comments. Do you care to comment about Linda Chamberlain being convicted and the rejection from the high court, to show how the high court gets it right 100% of the time? Or doesn't ideology come into it then? Only when you want it to?
There are also other people blindly defending Pell, and I say the same thing to them.
Do you talk to yourself often? Maybe you should see someone about that.
No I am not saying that. I've said there appears to be an agenda amongst some people (particularly at the ABC) towards Pell. I think many other areas of the media being the lazy journalists they are, simply took the ABC's lead and spent very little time looking at the actual facts and evidence of the allegations against Pell and his ensuing trial. A narrative was created because there was only one line being spoken about in the media, and then when the second jury found him guilty, then the narrative become 'truth' in many people's minds.
OMFG!!!!!!!!! You can't seriously be this stupid to take that line from news corpse hook line and sinker. News corpse themselves led with the stories about Pell. Get your facts correct. But of course you're not defending your ideology, just baseless accusations of ABC.
In conclusion, I'm not going to bother with the rest because you post a whole lot of garbage DOWN IDEOLOGICAL LINES. Word for word your arguments come out news corpse.