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Rockford said:
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The problem is not the frequency of fires but the fact that normal fire fighting methods don't work, neither do sprinklers in buildings. For example water is dangerous to use on lithium battery fires due to the creation of flammable hydrogen gas when it reacts with lithium. Plus lithium batteries release oxygen as they burn, adding even more supply to the fire and intensifying the burn, even when there is little to no oxygen accessible outside of the battery itself. This makes it impossible to starve the fire of oxygen, a common tactic for other fire types.

Without specialised lithium battery fire fight equipment the recommended action in the case of an EV fire is, if possible, to tow the vehicle to an open space. away from other flammables and let it burn out.


That said;
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Battery and charging safety

Many of today’s portable devices contain rechargeable lithium-ion batteries, which are light-weight, energy dense and long lasting. Devices such as
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Lithium-ion batteries are the fastest growing fire risk in New South Wales


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Rockford said:
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problem with this “data” is that they are still too new.. wait until they get a little older and see how Many of them go kaboom.. petrol car fires are usually Very old poorly maintained cars so it’s just not comparable.. compare data for cars under 3 years old and EVs will sweep the data good and proper

an EV fire is also an inferno where a petrol car fire you can put it out with a bottle of water

the real test is how insurance companies deal with them.. a few more fires and bam the premiums will hit you
 
Insurance companies will not only punish the EV buffoons for the fire risk , but they will ask petrol owners if they park within 100 metres of an EV and if so tag on a risk tax as well.

shopping centres in china of all places are banning EVs from parking in them due to fire risk.. the EV buffoons are running out of excuses and will feel the pinch of insurance companies and lack of resale..

Buyers of EV have made a bigger mistake than the yes voters
 
Just went on a road trip up north.. did t see a single EV along the way.. did t notice any charging stations either

it was bliss to top up your fuel in 3-4 minutes and be on your way.. even EV buffoons owners know they cannot venture outside their local suburb.. need to run home for a charge
 
Blue_boost said:
Ol thong slapper V8… stinkin of fuel.. way better than any EV
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Fred James invented the 253 which became the 304/308, the 253 was a very common engine in the seventies like the 202 and was standard in cars like the HQ Sandman and and SS torana hatch, loved my VH 253 years ago.
People who spend 70G to save money on fuel are off their heads.
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Bob dog said:
Fred James invented the 253 which became the 304/308, the 253 was a very common engine in the seventies like the 202 and was standard in cars like the HQ Sandman and and SS torana hatch, loved my VH 253 years ago.
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I am on the Gold Coast at Moment and yesterday a precession of older commodores drove through, VH, VK, a few Toranas.. probably 10-15 of them all mint condition, V8s rumbling along.. I jumped out my seat to have a look.. just beautiful to see

if a motorcade of EVs drove through people would throw food scraps and other rubbish at them..

It’s just incredible people make a decision to spend $70k on an EV to save $80 a month but too short sighted to see that in 3-4 years they will lose $50k in depreciation / resale.. tree hugger buffoons
 
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Here is a question which will cut EV owners in half..

If you bought a 2016 Holden commodore V8 SS would it be a more economical decision over a 2016 Tesla?

you buy the ss commodore for $48990 brand new, spend about $3700 a year in fuel based on 15,000km per year. 8 years so $29600 in fuel, insurance $1000 per year and servicing call it $1000 per year, rego another $1000… so another $24000.. total spend is $102590 less resale of $45000.. so out of pocket is $57590

now let’s look at Tesla, buy in price 73000… electricity about $1250 per year based on 15,000km.. insurance $2000 per year and rego $1000, servicing $1000. Plus new battery for $25,000.. So for 8 years there is $67,000… so total spend is $140,000… resale of $40,000… so out of pocket is $100,000..

can we believe it a 6.2 litre V8 commodore is more economic to run than a electric Tesla over 8 years… the Tesla buyer scratching his head how it could be?? Bitten by the commodores excellent resale, the Tesla poor resale and the battery replacement..

the v8 commodore driver enjoyed his v8 power and that sound without all the nonsense slow charging and poor range..

A clear win to the big 6.2 V8 over the Tesla
 
I recently travelled from Sydney to gold Coast.. Didnt see a single EV or charging station on the long commute..

But funnily enough I saw a few EVs travelling from Central Coast to Sydney, 70km or so.. Is that their idea of a long roadtrip to prove an EV can go with its petrol cars.
 
Blue_boost said:
Here is a question which will cut EV owners in half..

If you bought a 2016 Holden commodore V8 SS would it be a more economical decision over a 2016 Tesla?

you buy the ss commodore for $48990 brand new, spend about $3700 a year in fuel based on 15,000km per year. 8 years so $29600 in fuel, insurance $1000 per year and servicing call it $1000 per year, rego another $1000… so another $24000.. total spend is $102590 less resale of $45000.. so out of pocket is $57590

now let’s look at Tesla, buy in price 73000… electricity about $1250 per year based on 15,000km.. insurance $2000 per year and rego $1000, servicing $1000. Plus new battery for $25,000.. So for 8 years there is $67,000… so total spend is $140,000… resale of $40,000… so out of pocket is $100,000..

can we believe it a 6.2 litre V8 commodore is more economic to run than a electric Tesla over 8 years… the Tesla buyer scratching his head how it could be?? Bitten by the commodores excellent resale, the Tesla poor resale and the battery replacement..

the v8 commodore driver enjoyed his v8 power and that sound without all the nonsense slow charging and poor range..

A clear win to the big 6.2 V8 over the Tesla
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You had me at V8.
 
Bad Billy said:
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'Terrifying': Monterey County declares emergency after massive lithium battery plant fire

The Monterey County Board of Supervisors declared a state of emergency following the massive blaze that has residents and officials concerned.
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At least two dead and nine injured after fuel depot blast near Florence

A fuel depot has exploded in the central Italian region of Tuscany, killing at least two people and injuring nine. The blast reportedly broke windows of homes in the surrounding area.
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The site at moss landing was a gas power plant that ran for 65 years without incident.
it was converted to a renewable power battery in 2021 and has had 4 fires since.
This last one burned for 4 days.
I wonder how long until this-
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is net zero?
 
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