I don't think any incoming coach would be 100% happy with what they have to work with when they start at a new club I wasn't debating that point. There is defiantly some deadwood that needs to be cleaned out but its a manageable situation. I don't think the previous admin should be blame free they did make some poor choices in retention which is 100% on them.
Let me spell it out, if Barrett was amazed 9 months ago then he surely wouldn't still be amazed, he would be well past that, he would be angry, pissed off, annoyed, displeased, hostile etc. He would have also done something about it, shopped him around, told him he wasn't worth it, dropped him from the NRL squad, told him to find a new home, start kicking stones in the car park, anything to force him out.
I think it is just you because Tbaz isn't going to come out in the public and comment of specific deals he isn't happy with.
It’s very manageable that’s why I don’t get the uproar. Everyone wants us to win a comp but we are still working our way out of old issues. Everyone has the benefit of hindsight. I don’t recall too much argument to DWZ being re-signed at the end of 2019 when he was playing well. As for other retention, who are we talking about - 12 months for Lewis and Pay? I don’t think either of those have made significant difference to the road back considering all the issues combined.
Then let me spell it out.
Just because its manageable doesn't mean there wasn't mistakes made does it? I disagree on the Pay re-signing it was absolutely diabolical he was totally out of his depth and boarding on unprofessional and set us back at least a year. Re-signing the likes of Lewis and C Smith for a another year when they still had a year to run is just bad management plus the majority of the signings have been busts. The previous management have left a mess to clean up there's no denying that it's just lucky we have the right admin in now to navigate us out of it without writing off 4 years.
I was very explicit in my choice of words, "IF this is supposed to something recent" I don't now how less conflated I could possible be.
That is an additional point, it's all very well to look back with 100% hindsight and criticise what was a very reasonable decision at the time.
Oh good you've clarified your original point now, rather than carrying on conflating
But that's not what triggered your initial response.
Why did I need to clarify it, did you not read the original post? It was the first 7 words of the post.Oh good you've clarified your original point now, rather than carrying on conflating
That's why I said "that is an additional point", ie; not the original point, but additional to the original point.
Then why did you go off on a tangent about it. I guess you wanted your cake and eat it because of your defence of the past Admin.
What I posted was on exactly the same theme " "IF this is supposed to something recent" , every post that followed was pointing out that "IF this is supposed to something recent" then it was 100% BULLSHIT.
Whod eva ya reckon
Agree to disagree. You can’t have 30 superstars in your squad and at the time guys like Lewis were firmly in the ‘will he or won’t he’ camp. Neither of those guys would be on much and 12 months isn’t a big deal. Had they been extended multiple years, a different conversation. For Pay he was never the long term solution, it was about getting to end of the cap mess. If that didn’t happen would we have gotten Baz? JAC? Others? It’s easy to criticise in hindsight. I’d love to see half the smug TK members sit on a board and make calls at the time they actually need to be made.
No one is saying you have to have 30 superstars are they? Everyone is aware you need depth and squad fillers but what did the previous admin bring in that would have been anything besides a stop gap option? They bring in Dean Britt when someone like Toby Rudolf was available for similar money as one example. No one expects them to get it right every time either but you want more hits then misses and they missed on the vast majority.
Are you sure? Do you really want me on the board?
Same here, that water is well passed under the bridgeWhod eva ya reckon
Already forgotten.
All a bit silly to argue about something so harmless as:
"Spoke to a couple of guys within the club today during today’s game. DWZ was discussed, Barrett was shocked when he found out the high salary that DWZ is on".
But I do hope Baz takes up your ideas on how to deal with DWZ's contract.
"He would be angry, pissed off, annoyed, displeased, hostile etc. He would have also done something about it, shopped him around, told him he wasn't worth it, dropped him from the NRL squad, told him to find a new home, start kicking stones in the car park, anything to force him out.
Maybe it's just me, but after 9 months I would be well past "amazed", I'd have moved on to other emotions and I sure as hell would have done something about it".
Well I wouldn’t be comparing 12 month extensions of Lewis and Pay to an imaginary $10m salary cap and 3 years of purgatory, but let’s not go over old ground again. Baz (nor anyone) would’ve been able to recruit significantly for 2020 had they come in 12 months earlier. Of course everyone makes mistakes, just as likely will Warburton and members of the current board (4 of whom still serve per previous admin). There’s always rigorous debate - just as there was with the CEO appointment recently. Doesn’t make anyone ‘incompetent’ as some around here like to claim.