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Unsurprisingly, it turns out that Jimmy Dore edited down the press conference to hide the fact that the question was shut down because while people were trying to ask questions, a random person was screaming over the top of everyone like a lunatic.

 

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PEOPLE SCREAMED RANDOMLY AT FAUCI AND HE DIDN'T ANSWER! MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING!

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Anyone watched Died Suddenly yet?

If you have, what's your take of it?
Watched it last night. Looks like alot of exposé type doco's. Essentially a psy-op with a small bit of truth but mostly lies.

Funeral directors/embalmers and their experience with blood clots, the lowered birth rates and 17% rise in all cause deaths should be the easiest to clarify and investigated immediately (preferably from a government organization or Pfizer).

All cause deaths could be a hangover from lack of services and detection and if it doesn't start to resolve quickly I maintain a healthy suspicion of tptb

But they use a lot of non-relevant footage taken out of context. They show Keyontae Johnson collapsing on the court, that happened before the vaccines were available. Also, he didn’t die, he just collapsed from playing with an injury.
It really is full of ‘out of context’ and totally unrelated clips. That is also Controlled Opposition 101, as the “anti-vaxx documentary” thus can be debunked and ridiculed outside of their community, and it will only encourage the sleeping masses to trust their slave masters in the Government. If the “anti-vaxxers” can’t even make a documentary to prove their point without using tons of fake footage, they must be lying about everything else as well, right? That is at least what the sleeping masses will think, and also those who are uncertain and are standing with one foot in each camp.

I find it hard to believe this movie was put together from people who were serious about the issue tbh
 

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Watched it last night. Looks like alot of exposé type doco's. Essentially a psy-op with a small bit of truth but mostly lies.

Funeral directors/embalmers and their experience with blood clots, the lowered birth rates and 17% rise in all cause deaths should be the easiest to clarify and investigated immediately (preferably from a government organization or Pfizer).

All cause deaths could be a hangover from lack of services and detection and if it doesn't start to resolve quickly I maintain a healthy suspicion of tptb

But they use a lot of non-relevant footage taken out of context. They show Keyontae Johnson collapsing on the court, that happened before the vaccines were available. Also, he didn’t die, he just collapsed from playing with an injury.
It really is full of ‘out of context’ and totally unrelated clips. That is also Controlled Opposition 101, as the “anti-vaxx documentary” thus can be debunked and ridiculed outside of their community, and it will only encourage the sleeping masses to trust their slave masters in the Government. If the “anti-vaxxers” can’t even make a documentary to prove their point without using tons of fake footage, they must be lying about everything else as well, right? That is at least what the sleeping masses will think, and also those who are uncertain and are standing with one foot in each camp.

I find it hard to believe this movie was put together from people who were serious about the issue tbh
Anti-vaxxer video is a mess so it must be a psyop by the secret government?

That's up there with, "the government couldn't screw up Intel so 911 must have been an inside job"

People are shit at doing things. And if you want to spread fear, then you need to bullshit.
 

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Watched it last night. Looks like alot of exposé type doco's. Essentially a psy-op with a small bit of truth but mostly lies.

Funeral directors/embalmers and their experience with blood clots, the lowered birth rates and 17% rise in all cause deaths should be the easiest to clarify and investigated immediately (preferably from a government organization or Pfizer).

All cause deaths could be a hangover from lack of services and detection and if it doesn't start to resolve quickly I maintain a healthy suspicion of tptb

But they use a lot of non-relevant footage taken out of context. They show Keyontae Johnson collapsing on the court, that happened before the vaccines were available. Also, he didn’t die, he just collapsed from playing with an injury.
It really is full of ‘out of context’ and totally unrelated clips. That is also Controlled Opposition 101, as the “anti-vaxx documentary” thus can be debunked and ridiculed outside of their community, and it will only encourage the sleeping masses to trust their slave masters in the Government. If the “anti-vaxxers” can’t even make a documentary to prove their point without using tons of fake footage, they must be lying about everything else as well, right? That is at least what the sleeping masses will think, and also those who are uncertain and are standing with one foot in each camp.

I find it hard to believe this movie was put together from people who were serious about the issue tbh
It was talked up but honestly it looked more of a youtube clip rather than a "documentary".

Didn't expect much from that Stu Peter's guy who tried to push the "venom in the water" bullshit.
 

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Anti-vaxxer video is a mess so it must be a psyop by the secret government?

That's up there with, "the government couldn't screw up Intel so 911 must have been an inside job"

People are shit at doing things. And if you want to spread fear, then you need to bullshit.
That's why I really believe the South Park theory that the 911 conspiracy is the actual conspiracy.

It's better to make people think you're an evil genius rather than admit a bunch of goat fuckers in a cave put Murika on show.
 

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Anti-vaxxer video is a mess so it must be a psyop by the secret government?

That's up there with, "the government couldn't screw up Intel so 911 must have been an inside job"

People are shit at doing things. And if you want to spread fear, then you need to bullshit.
Did you watch or did you just refer to your independent (lol) fact checkers.

Democracies ironically use covert tactics widely to try to win trust of certain audiences who would doubt their message if received from government-branded outlets. Sometimes it's more effective to pretend to be the other side and mix small truths with large lies especially when a weary public is growing tiresome of the governments beating drums.

I just don't understand how anyone with a vested interest would have such a large focus on spurious 'collapsed suddenly's' and leave out other witnesses and whistleblowers unless you were trying to muddy the waters.
 

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Did you watch or did you just refer to your independent (lol) fact checkers.

Democracies ironically use covert tactics widely to try to win trust of certain audiences who would doubt their message if received from government-branded outlets. Sometimes it's more effective to pretend to be the other side and mix small truths with large lies especially when a weary public is growing tiresome of the governments beating drums.

I just don't understand how anyone with a vested interest would have such a large focus on spurious 'collapsed suddenly's' and leave out other witnesses and whistleblowers unless you were trying to muddy the waters.
Simple. There's two reasons to do that:

1) they couldn't find any actual evidence

2) they're lazy

Probably both. Witnesses and whistleblowers are no different to what they have provided. All you have to do is say, "OK, provide evidence" and it all falls apart.

But there is also a 3rd point... Appearing neutral. If you create a doco saying, "the government are poisoning us with vaccines!" then you only get the crazies. Create a doco that says, "hey, we're just asking questions" leaving out the nutjob "witnesses" and "whistleblowers" that have already been discredited, and you end up catching the moderates. The people who aren't sure but maybe they could be swayed.
 

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Simple. There's two reasons to do that:

1) they couldn't find any actual evidence

2) they're lazy

Probably both. Witnesses and whistleblowers are no different to what they have provided. All you have to do is say, "OK, provide evidence" and it all falls apart.

But there is also a 3rd point... Appearing neutral. If you create a doco saying, "the government are poisoning us with vaccines!" then you only get the crazies. Create a doco that says, "hey, we're just asking questions" leaving out the nutjob "witnesses" and "whistleblowers" that have already been discredited, and you end up catching the moderates. The people who aren't sure but maybe they could be swayed.
Theres a fourth group. The group that couldn't give a fck whether its true or not and just think about the next beer, watching some porn and then whether the missus is up for some tonight.

I know I'm not alone.
 

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PEOPLE SCREAMED RANDOMLY AT FAUCI AND HE DIDN'T ANSWER! MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING!

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he didn't answer when asked by Rand Paul either

these people would have asked their questions in the normal fashion had they been called, but they didn't

this is the most important question, of course they should be determined to ask it
 

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Theres a fourth group. The group that couldn't give a fck whether its true or not and just think about the next beer, watching some porn and then whether the missus is up for some tonight.

I know I'm not alone.
So your team Z.F.G too? Welcome aboard!
 

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That's why I really believe the South Park theory that the 911 conspiracy is the actual conspiracy.

It's better to make people think you're an evil genius rather than admit a bunch of goat fuckers in a cave put Murika on show.
Absolutely my man.. Conspiracy theories like 911 in a kinda way make people feel safer..because there had to be this elaborate plot that enabled an attack on their own shores..because something as ‘simple’ as a bunch of people hijacking a plane and running em into an iconic building means they were, and are always, vulnerable.
 
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he didn't answer when asked by Rand Paul either

these people would have asked their questions in the normal fashion had they been called, but they didn't

this is the most important question, of course they should be determined to ask it
Nope. He answered Rand Paul, but Rand Paul didn't like the answer and accused him of lying.

They also weren't called on because they didn't put their hands up. They just started shouting.
 

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Simple. There's two reasons to do that:

1) they couldn't find any actual evidence

2) they're lazy

Probably both. Witnesses and whistleblowers are no different to what they have provided. All you have to do is say, "OK, provide evidence" and it all falls apart.

But there is also a 3rd point... Appearing neutral. If you create a doco saying, "the government are poisoning us with vaccines!" then you only get the crazies. Create a doco that says, "hey, we're just asking questions" leaving out the nutjob "witnesses" and "whistleblowers" that have already been discredited, and you end up catching the moderates. The people who aren't sure but maybe they could be swayed.
What of the blood clots? Reduced birthrate? Increased all cause deaths?

There is a 5th point... if you blindly quote the science and then you are wrong you can just retort back to I was just following expert advice.

Stop pretending this is an open and shut case. Has your opinion on transmission evolved? You're also guilty of misinformation but haven't banned yourself from the covid-19 thread because you think it noble to blindly follow the science.
 

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Simple. There's two reasons to do that:

1) they couldn't find any actual evidence

2) they're lazy

Probably both. Witnesses and whistleblowers are no different to what they have provided. All you have to do is say, "OK, provide evidence" and it all falls apart.

But there is also a 3rd point... Appearing neutral. If you create a doco saying, "the government are poisoning us with vaccines!" then you only get the crazies. Create a doco that says, "hey, we're just asking questions" leaving out the nutjob "witnesses" and "whistleblowers" that have already been discredited, and you end up catching the moderates. The people who aren't sure but maybe they could be swayed.
I don't mind the doccos that just "ask questions" without pushing their agenda.

Very few of them sadly
 

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What of the blood clots? Reduced birthrate? Increased all cause deaths?

There is a 5th point... if you blindly quote the science and then you are wrong you can just retort back to I was just following expert advice.

Stop pretending this is an open and shut case. Has your opinion on transmission evolved? You're also guilty of misinformation but haven't banned yourself from the covid-19 thread because you think it noble to blindly follow the science.
Well the clots are the only thing I took notice of in the show.

Feel sorry for the people.
 

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What of the blood clots? Reduced birthrate? Increased all cause deaths?
Blood clots - Yep, they are very rare but they are still a problem. In Australia there has been 14 deaths from blood clots caused by vaccine. There has been over 64 million doses so that is rare but it's still an issue

Reduced birth rate - this is technically an issue but it's not vaccine related. Birther rates have dropped a bit every year for the last 50 years. Covid didn't speed up or slow down the birth rates

Increased all cause deaths - This is definitely an issue too, but it's one of those correlation causation things. It's possible it's caused by vaccine, but also possible it's cause by long Covid or Covid related injury. And it's also possible it's caused by something else altogether. Guessing won't give you a real answer. Many use excess deaths as a way to measure unreported Covid-19 deaths, but as I said, that's still just guessing

There is a 5th point... if you blindly quote the science and then you are wrong you can just retort back to I was just following expert advice.
So don't blindly quote the science. Look further into it if you want. But you shouldn't assume that you can analyse the data better than the experts. And you also shouldn't blindly quote anti-vaxxer blogs.

Stop pretending this is an open and shut case. Has your opinion on transmission evolved? You're also guilty of misinformation but haven't banned yourself from the covid-19 thread because you think it noble to blindly follow the science.
No one is pretending it's an open and shut case. Science evolves based on best available data. When data rises that shows that previous advice was wrong, then the advice changes. That's not lying by any stretch.

If you're watching an NRL game and Melbourne scores a try, and the try is allowed. Then the video ref looks at it and sees that the player dropped the ball. Do you jump up and say, "THE REF LIED!"?

Science evolves as new data becomes available. If data becomes available showing that Covid was deliberately released from a lab then cool, that will be accepted. If data shows that aliens created Covid to wipe out humanity then cool. That will be accepted.

But a documentary is not new data, especially if they aren't actually presenting data. And it shouldn't be trusted any more than the Walking Dead is evidence zombies are real.

If they have new data they can present it as actual scientific research. Until they do that, it's just guess work and anecdotes and I will treat it with the respect it deserves. None at all.
 

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I don't mind the doccos that just "ask questions" without pushing their agenda.

Very few of them sadly
Even those ones that can tricky, because while they say that they're "asking questions", they're actually asking closed questions designed to make you believe what they believe. That's probably even more dangerous because people are more likely to believe something if they believe they came up with the idea themselves.

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