Barba off the pace

[Dogs_01]

holdsworth cant tackle for sh!t hez a useless ****!! one on one he couldnt tackle a todler

 

[Hansta]

I'm NOT talking about putting him NOW

I was talking about throughout the year .. obviously you can't put him in now

and as for this 20 minutes has no benefit .. thats just rubbish TBH

hows it rubbish? he isnt an established first grader, so making a couple of tackles and a couple of runs isnt going to aid his development. The 80 mins of NSW Cup would though.

5/8s and halfbacks dont normally start of on the bench, well not now days due to the limited interchange rules.

 

[Mr Invisible]

In order to prevent this thread getting out of hand, I give you all..

A Kennelers Guide to posting about Ben Barba.

Step 1: Refuse to believe article real or not:
E.G. No No NOOOOOOOO -alex- I refuse to believe this!!

Step 2: Make an absurd statement comparing Ben Barba and something everyone seems to consider "big" in life:
E.G. If Jesus walked on water, then Ben Barba walked on clouds and childrens dreams! In every religion there is a god, but to every god there is Ben Barba, they look up to him as the supreme ruler of all awesomeness.

Step 3: Don't give up, you DO know more than Moore. Plead with him about here in your post:
E.G. Please Kevin 09, let Barba play, let him score 50 trillion tries including the winning one to get us to grand final glory.

Step 4: Deny Holdsworth:
Holdsworth gets bashed normally about this time of the post.

Step 5: Remain aggressive and on the ready to refute any comments that dare question your own opinion.

Whilst I have bagged Holdsworth a bit on here myself, I haven't attacked him without providing sound reasons behind it. I still don't think Barba is 100% ready, but a work in progress.

 

[purpleskittles]

I thought the only thing wrong with our game against Tigers was that Holdsworth didnt lead the team around like Noddy.

It wasnt so much kicking and passing that were issuse but we had no leadership.

Barba is not going to bring any more leadership to our side. They constantly say hes good at scoring tries but as a 5-8 he still has lots to learn in setting up plays and leading a team around.

There were more issues then that... there was no support play, laziness in defence, kick chases generally poor and ball handling was terrible...

Is DJ meant to do all that?

 

[PineappleBoy]

There were more issues then that... there was no support play, laziness in defence, kick chases generally poor and ball handling was terrible...

Is DJ meant to do all that?

No I meant only thing wrong WITH holdsworth in that game. Sorry.

The rest of the team was garbage in that game Holdsworth wasnt even that bad.

 

[MP4 - Eedz]

hows it rubbish? he isnt an established first grader, so making a couple of tackles and a couple of runs isnt going to aid his development. The 80 mins of NSW Cup would though.

5/8s and halfbacks dont normally start of on the bench, well not now days due to the limited interchange rules.

Everyone says the jump from lower grades to FG is massive ... experts btw not kennelers

So exposing a player to that change is vital

 

[Hansta]

Everyone says the jump from lower grades to FG is massive ... experts btw not kennelers

So exposing a player to that change is vital

he will be exposed, no one is disputing that. But they need to be ready first to be exposed. Thats the dilemma Moore has, to identify when he is ready.

Its easier for someone in the forwards as they have really a straight out plan from day dot. Make metres, create second phase play when possible and shut down the opposition defence. Same could be said for the backs.

However its the halves that cause the most headaches.

 

[chipandchase]

FG team was winning games with 7 interchanges over 80 minutes champ

Having Barba on the bench would not have hurt them ... well it certainly didn't against the Warriors

that is 100% correct, we dont need Hickey on the bench, we dont use up our interchanges and dont need too.
Barba might not be ready to play a whole game, but off the bench, he offers something that i dont think any other team in the final eight has off the bench
lightening speed and the unpredictability to score tries from anywhere if needed.
IMO it is worth the gamble, if we are in front it is good experience for him.

 

[MP4 - Eedz]

he will be exposed, no one is disputing that. But they need to be ready first to be exposed. Thats the dilemma Moore has, to identify when he is ready.

Its easier for someone in the forwards as they have really a straight out plan from day dot. Make metres, create second phase play when possible and shut down the opposition defence. Same could be said for the backs.

However its the halves that cause the most headaches.

No one is "ready" without some exposure ...

btw why did Moore have Barba in the team early in the year ? ... if you're so right and Moore doesn't like contradicting himself, why hani why ??

lol

 

[Hansta]

No one is "ready" without some exposure ...

btw why did Moore have Barba in the team early in the year ? ... if you're so right and Moore doesn't like contradicting himself, why hani why ??

lol

Well he thought he was ready obviously. And then realised he was wrong. I'm pretty sure if you ask him that, he would tell you this. There is no other reason that could justify it.

 

[MP4 - Eedz]

Well he thought he was ready obviously. And then realised he was wrong. I'm pretty sure if you ask him that, he would tell you this. There is no other reason that could justify it.

he was dropped for the Idris fight bud .. not because he realised something

 

[PineappleBoy]

Well he thought he was ready obviously. And then realised he was wrong. I'm pretty sure if you ask him that, he would tell you this. There is no other reason that could justify it.

I'd say Hani is right. The fact that he had him in the team then pulled him from it shows he doesnt think hes up to first grade yet.

 

[PineappleBoy]

he was dropped for the Idris fight bud .. not because he realised something

Yeh but he never got put back in did he. The fact that even had a fight with Idris shows hes immature.

 

[Blessed]

letting him play for 20 mins per game is going to hurt his development, unless you want him playing both NSW Cup and FG.

I'm NOT talking about putting him NOW

I was talking about throughout the year .. obviously you can't put him in now

and as for this 20 minutes has no benefit .. thats just rubbish TBH

I agree with Eedz, i think it's rubbish stating 20 mins per game is going to hurt Barba's development. Brent Sherwin in 2001 was used off the interchange bench, sometimes for only the last 15-20 min. This wasn't in specialist halves role either, but yet, we seen him come on really well in 2002.

I think Barba needs to earn his spot, and by all reports he hasn't done that this season in NSW Cup. However, when he does, 20min spells wont be damaging for him, IMO.

 

[Snake Jailbird]

kennel punchon

 

[Hansta]

he was dropped for the Idris fight bud .. not because he realised something

Yes he was dropped for the Idris fight. However it was a whole year ban. Like i said before, Moore decided he wasnt cut out for FG at that point in time, hence why he put him back in NSW Cup. No coach is perfect. They are allowed to make a judgement in error once in a blue moon.

 

[MP4 - Eedz]

Yeh but he never got put back in did he. The fact that even had a fight with Idris shows hes immature.

I realise he was never put back in, which is the problem.

Idris wasn't put back in either until Morris got injuried ... we could be having this conversation regarding Idris right now .. the Dally M Rookie of the Year

Immature off the field, doesn't mean he can't offer something on it

 

[Hansta]

I agree with Eedz, i think it's rubbish stating 20 mins per game is going to hurt Barba's development. Brent Sherwin in 2001 was used off the interchange bench, sometimes for only the last 15-20 min. This wasn't in specialist halves role either, but yet, we seen him come on really well in 2002.

I think Barba needs to earn his spot, and by all reports he hasn't done that this season in NSW Cup. However, when he does, 20min spells wont be damaging for him, IMO.

Sherwin was actually starting in FG before the 2001 season. He stuffed up, went back to reggies, then came back up to the bench. The difference is, he actually played FG, he knew what to expect and had gained further experience. Barba hasn't.

 

[Bob dog]

Well it looks like we will be relying on Holdsworths kicking game, at least he can punch the ball down the other end of the field when it suits. I just hope he doesnt over do his short kicking game, over kicks will hurt us.

 

[Book]

I realise he was never put back in, which is the problem.

Idris wasn't put back in either until Morris got injuried ... we could be having this conversation regarding Idris right now .. the Dally M Rookie of the Year

Immature off the field, doesn't mean he can't offer something on it

Regardless, if a player can't handle themselves appropriately off the field then they will be less of a chance of getting onto the field. I'm not saying I completely agree with it but it seems to be part of the clubs policy.