Australian Olympic Future?

[Berries]

Now I want to start this thread on one of the most multicultural Australian platforms we will ever see because I believe I will get answers you wont see anywhere else.
My question is pretty broad but it basically includes
As a statement “Australia has been a strong sporting nation in the past due to participation, nationalistic pride and government funding” Now it’s no secret that this country has had heavy immigration from Italy, Greece, Vietnam, Iraq,Syria, Afghanistan ,England,parts of Africa etc etc and now a lot of those immigrant groups are now mixed blood with the original Celtics or other immigrants. Now my question is , why are we struggling at Olympic level and sporting international level.? The easy and racist answer is that white Australians are better at sport but I don’t believe it purely at all. We have such a
Diverse group of people in this nation and none of those I listed are deficit in any task or ability they should technically be better under the Australian system. Are alot of the new age current immigrants are just not interested in sport at all ? even the world sport soccer? I just feel as a nation with a vast and wide group of people who call it home and choose Australia as a country represent over their home nation we should really
Be dominating a vast amount of sports .

 

[Berries]

If that makes sense, I just feel we should have a real dominant group of Middle eastern Australians , Asian Australians , Aboriginal Australians , Celtic Australians and obviously we are all just Australians and proud of it but we should we carving up with our ethnicities.

 

[DinkumDog]

I’d say pathways and funding (whether government, sponsorship etc) have to play the most significant role over anything else. Kids sport is pretty expensive as is so if parents pursue a path to the Olympics - and let’s take swimming or gymnastics as examples: no kid is getting to the Olympics without specialist, individual coaching and that ain’t cheap, doubly so in a country with crazy real estate/rental costs and with an ongoing increase to the overall cost of living. Changing demographics may have altered the types of sports Aussies of all stripes participate in but I doubt that’s the reason why our Olympic success isn’t where we think it should be - it comes down to money.

 

[DinkumDog]

Technology would also play a role. When I was a kid all kids were outside on their bikes, playing footy, cricket, etc etc because there were no alternatives and that’s what you did. These days with the web, TikTok, gaming etc there would be a percentage of kids (not all of course) happy to sit inside all day unless they are made to get outside and run around. So that speaks to ‘changing interests’ as well. Maybe if the Olympics had a PlayStation event we’d see more Aussie gold .

 

[Doogie]

I used all the Australian athletes drugs. No drugs, no medals.

Can we close the thread now?

 

[Natboy]

You’ve just gotta look at government priorities with focus and funding but I don’t blame migration for our dwindling Olympic success

 

[Memberberries]

Tax payers money is better used to rename Bedford square to pride square.

 

[Rodzilla]

australia just came off a 6th place, thats better than the vast majority of previous results and its about right

europeans are not as athletic as african americans/african carribean people who were bred for hundreds of years as slaves using the best most physical, i think they can have a thousand people qualify faster than the best australian in the 100m sprint for example

australia can just do well in sports they don't know

 

[Memberberries]

australia just came off a 6th place, thats better than the vast majority of previous results and its about right

europeans are not as athletic as african americans/african carribean people who were bred for hundreds of years as slaves using the best most physical, i think they can have a thousand people qualify faster than the best australian in the 100m sprint for example

australia can just do well in sports they don't know

You do know Europeans were used as slaves too?

I was able to have politically incorrect talks with a black guy.
It goes like this
Africans- good runners
Whites- good swimmers

 

[cntrbry bnkstwn]

this is a great watch if you haven't seen it already, a champion bulldogs man giving his insight on the topic

 

[CroydonDog]

Smaller backyards have been attributed to a lowering standard of cricketer.

But seriously, a lot of it comes down to the cold hard cash. When you look at the pool of government (taxpayers') money, how much of it do we want to spend on sports development?

Australia is #51 in the world for population, and for the past 30 years or so, have constantly finished in the top ten countries at the (summer) Olympics. I think we do pretty well on the world stage in sport. I don't think we're declining, so much as other countries are catching up. In some countries (East Germany, Russia, China, Middle East), sport has been used as a "political" tool, to show strength and to wash over the ""bad bits". Also, a lot of sports we used to dominate in (eg: tennis), in, say, Rod Laver's day (and no disrespect to Rocket), bugger all countries bothered with it.

 

[Rodzilla]

You do know Europeans were used as slaves too?

I was able to have politically incorrect talks with a black guy.
It goes like this
Africans- good runners
Whites- good swimmers

if african american or carribean athletes properly wanted to swim then whites would not be good swimmers anymore

and if they had different running styles, like 100m sprint running backwards, 100m sprint while you touch your toes, 400m medley 100m sprinting, 100m running backwards etc, then australia would fall down the rankings even more

1976 montreal, 1980 moscow, 1984 los angeles, 1988 seoul, across those 4 olympics australia won 9 gold medals, thats despite powerhouse nations usa/ussr and their friends boycotting 2 of those olympics

 

[Rodzilla]

this is a great watch if you haven't seen it already, a champion bulldogs man giving his insight on the topic

stopped watching when he praised greenberg and hasler, those who dismantled the bulldogs club

 

[Memberberries]

if african american or carribean athletes properly wanted to swim then whites would not be good swimmers anymore

and if they had different running styles, like 100m sprint running backwards, 100m sprint while you touch your toes, 400m medley 100m sprinting, 100m running backwards etc, then australia would fall down the rankings even more

1976 montreal, 1980 moscow, 1984 los angeles, 1988 seoul, across those 4 olympics australia won 9 gold medals, thats despite powerhouse nations usa/ussr and their friends boycotting 2 of those olympics

Blacks will never be any good at swimming because they're not designed to swim.
They are from Africa where their rivers are infested with everything that wants to kill you.

Africans themselves will admit they're shit in the water and not designed for it.

We all have strengths and weaknesses.
And to claim blacks are better at everything is a racist Marxist statement!

 

[Rodzilla]

Blacks will never be any good at swimming because they're not designed to swim.
They are from Africa where their rivers are infested with everything that wants to kill you.

Africans themselves will admit they're shit in the water and not designed for it.

We all have strengths and weaknesses.
And to claim blacks are better at everything is a racist Marxist statement!

i didn't say africans, i said african americans, there is no reason why they can't be good at swimming except lack of interest

i didn't say they are better at everything either, i said they could be better at everything athletic if they wanted to learn the technique because they have the physical advantage, for example simone biles and serena williams came in and dominated their sports

its like if you bought a regular horse and try to race it against a whole bunch of horses who have been bred from champion racehorses who were themselves bred from champion racehorses 5 or more times over

they selected the top black workers to breed with the best female slaves and did this over and over creating physically superior people, thats why they dominate the sports, also being downtrodden helps with their motivation too

 

[SPEARTAKVIDREFS]

Maybe costs?
My mates son is a pretty good junior soccer player. The amount of money my mate invests in his development is ridiculous. Weekend camps, interstate smaller competitions, team going to the UK for 3 weeks which needs one of his parents to go with him, all dollars. Where does it stop?

I dont know if its the same for other sports in this country but everything in Oz is expensive.

I dont know what the cost are like for other countries for developing juniors.

 

[Rodzilla]

Maybe costs?
My mates son is a pretty good junior soccer player. The amount of money my mate invests in his development is ridiculous. Weekend camps, interstate smaller competitions, team going to the UK for 3 weeks which needs one of his parents to go with him, all dollars. Where does it stop?

I dont know if its the same for other sports in this country but everything in Oz is expensive.

I dont know what the cost are like for other countries for developing juniors.

don't get me started on the Australian soccer reformation of the mid 2000's, there is no reason to have to pay so much money to kick a ball around

 

[CroydonDog]

Maybe costs?
My mates son is a pretty good junior soccer player. The amount of money my mate invests in his development is ridiculous. Weekend camps, interstate smaller competitions, team going to the UK for 3 weeks which needs one of his parents to go with him, all dollars. Where does it stop?

I dont know if its the same for other sports in this country but everything in Oz is expensive.

I dont know what the cost are like for other countries for developing juniors.

I have a few friends with elite level sporting kids. One has a daughter, a swimmer, who is like the best in Australia for her age group in something or other. She travels with her daughter all over Australia for national championships etc, and has had hundreds of those 4am wake ups for training. The chances though of her being an olympian are still fairly small. A mate of mine is a pro-golfer (mid 20s), same thing, he's a brilliant player, and his father spent so many hours and dollars ferrying him to tournaments etc as a kid. But, even though he's a great player, he, like most golf pros, barely make a living from it, sleeping on mate's couches etc. Its so pointy at the top.

Soccer, compared to AFL at least is so expensive. The sport in Australia seems to almost adopt a bottom up approach to funding. I was horrified to hear how much even a basic season of local soccer costs (when i was a kid it was like $20 and that included your kit).

As much as AFL is disliked here, they do junior development very well. Auskick goes goes to schools, gives away a few footies, and you pay a lot less to play. For a family struggling to make ends meet, which sport do you send your kid to?

 

[GoTheDoggies]

Cost and there are better things to do on the weekend.

Why would you play sport when you can go to the beach, go hiking, bike riding, etc. Why would parents who are already busy working mon-fri travel across Sydney taking their kids to play in an overpriced comp. Take them to training during the week etc.

Australia is layed back and no one cares. Only sport that pulls good crowds in a regular season is AFL.

 

[CroydonDog]

Cost and there are better things to do on the weekend.

Why would you play sport when you can go to the beach, go hiking, bike riding, etc. Why would parents who are already busy working mon-fri travel across Sydney taking their kids to play in an overpriced comp. Take them to training during the week etc.

Australia is layed back and no one cares. Only sport that pulls good crowds in a regular season is AFL.

You might be onto something there.

CryodonPup is 5. Part of me kind of wants him to not be overly interested in sports, so i don't spent all of my weekends because of it. I'll have to encourage him towards sports that don't take all day (sorry bud, cricket takes too long), which is a shame, as I love cricket.

I played heaps of sports as a kid, but maybe the difference was growing up in a small town where, firstly, sport seemed to be cheaper, and secondly, we just rode our bikes to games, training etc. Our parents also didn't spend all week in traffic.