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Yes ! So excited for the madness for 2 more years ! Going to be mAd !
I agree with this. We need someone with balls, experience and a good footy brain. Bellamy wont tolerate mediocrity. We were so great in the 80's. No nonsense. I think he'd be the bloke that could return us to being dangerous and entertaining. Steer us during this period of a circus that is the NRL and get us back to being a strong, professional team. Couple that with our pride and rich history. I think he'd be a draw card for quality players aswell. Every year the Storm start the comp like they are a strong contender to win it. We deserve better. I like Pay but I just dont see us making it with him.I really think we should go hard for bellyache hes done everything at the storm high achievers always want new challenges,its not as far fetched as it sounds but if we dont even try its not a chance
People really need to stop saying sign Flanagan for 2 reasons. First he is not allowed to be a first grade coach until after the 2021 season and that is only if he meets all the nrl’s rule and criteria (and we know how that worked for him before) .It does matter who coaches us now. For fuk sake sign Flanagan for 2 years ...we need a high profile coach with the ability to attract quality players. Players like Fifita would never consider our club if they could sign with another team with a more high profile coach.
I'm not saying it's good but when I look at the team we're putting out it isn't good enough to compete with anyone bar the Warriors and Titans (that's why we've overachieved). Next year is a different ball game so if it's much the same in 2021 then I'm all for bashing Pay. The first reason Pay is coaching us is that he was the best person we could get due to the position our club was in regarding our salary cap... I wonder why that is!So coming 12th two seasons in a row with the worst attack in the comp each year and a 0-2 record to start the third season is enough to earn an extension and exceeds expectations? Paul Langmack and Jason Taylor would be 10 year coaches with such a low bar.
Has our team improved over his three seasons in charge? We average the least amount of points in the comp each season. We start off each season last or second last for the first half of the year and "go on a run" late in the season and even then still only finish 12th!
So what has Pay done to warrant an extension? How has he improved the team during his tenure? Our defence has improved but everything else has stagnated or regressed. People suggesting to extend him are out of their minds. Talk about settling for mediocrity..
I think we should be going after him for 2022 (and if for whatever reason his ban was . I don't think the second part is true. I just had a quick google and the peptides case was between 2011-12 (if I'm wrong please correct me). They won the Grand Final in 2016... I think the thing you're looking for is Sharks being over the salary cap but they also were found to not be over (otherwise they would of had their title stripped).People really need to stop saying sign Flanagan for 2 reasons. First he is not allowed to be a first grade coach until after the 2021 season and that is only if he meets all the nrl’s rule and criteria (and we know how that worked for him before) .
And secondly the only reason the sharks won the premiership under him is because they were all drug cheats. And if you disagree go look up the stat decs they signed when accepting the 8 week suspension they took. He had them juiced up for 2 year which helped build their stamina and strength and by the time they were off the stuff they already had the base built (like a good ore season) to build off. Is it any surprise the best stats those players every put together were the years following the end of their drug regime?
20 is not normal can't pass judgement on just two games2018, 2019 not disruptive seasons. We started winning games after our seasons were all but finished. We need to win games at the start of a season to be anywhere near a top 8 side.
No instead we have no major sponsor, as well as losing sponsors by the minute. No future plan. No decent coach. A board which is poorly run by an out of touch bunch of clowns where bankruptcy follows. Case in point Andersons. Fact of the matter is we are fucked and right now i'd love to have Dib back, and i'd take Griffin or even freaking Toovey at this point. Anyone but Deputy DogBulldogs fan here: pay was given a train wreck...... he has done well and set up the club in the direction we want. He should be proud of his efforts and has done a good job with what he had. I still think he needs 1 more year before we see something good. To all the donkeys who say crap on here is evident you don’t know much. I can’t fight you all because I’ll get banned again, I am glad you all have no say in club is run or we would have Ray Dibs everywhere .... farken hell!
I really want to support the idea of Bulldog people in charge.. But I think given the current virus crap he ONLY should be given till end of 21 with set KPI's. the absolute minimum should be top 8 and finals.If the club extends him for 1 year fair enough but if they extend him for 2 that's a big strike against the board as far as I'm concerned. For what possible reason would we need to make it 2 years. There's no chance in the world any other club is thinking of poaching Pay on his record so far.
Yeah.. this stat pisses me off because it reminds me of the attitude and swagger we once had of always being a threat. Unless Deano pulls a rabbit out of his arse I think he will struggle to make a GF unless 21 is a huge success and we make it deep into the finals.The only stat that matters to me is that every coach we had since 1980 made or won a GF except for KMoore who came pretty close.
I would normally agree, but we were hopeless against the Cowboys and our benchmark defence and commitment was nowhere to be seen.20 is not normal can't pass judgement on just two games
Not Flanagan, not ever.. Until he went to Soufs I would have said Bennett as I know he has a soft spot for our club but I think his time is passing with his age. Bellamy I think would only go somewhere he could turn into a premiership within 2-3 years. Who ever it is, we dont need another re-invent the club type like Hasler or Mag. I would rather we bring someone in like a Joey Johns or JT as an assistant coach or co- coach if Pay survives specifically as offence coach and have Pay concentrate on defence and maybe Opes to oversee it as Football manager or similar.If no pay right now then who can be our head coach as of right now, we can’t have flank so who should coach us then
Who's talking about a title contender? I'm talking about having a team that averages more than 14 points a game and finishes higher than 12th. Pay has had three years to recruit and coach his team up so I can't see how anyone can suggest that Pay hasn't been given a fair opportunity yet or that the "jury is still out"..I'm not saying it's good but when I look at the team we're putting out it isn't good enough to compete with anyone bar the Warriors and Titans (that's why we've overachieved). Next year is a different ball game so if it's much the same in 2021 then I'm all for bashing Pay. The first reason Pay is coaching us is that he was the best person we could get due to the position our club was in regarding our salary cap... I wonder why that is!
I honestly believe if we add three to four more signings to go with Luke Thompson we'll be a top eight team (that's with Pay as coach) or that'll be the expectation at least. Now if you want us to be a title contender (winning the premiership/Grand Final) I think you're going to be waiting until at least 2024.
We have potentially the worst spine in the competition (without Foran - who still isn't enough himself against top teams) and you think we're going to score points when we're lacking in the backs too? We don't have dynamic props either (Tolman offers literally zero in the final third). Where are points coming from? I think that's the main reason our attack sucks...
I think you are being nice that he is a rebuild coach , have not seen any evidence of a rebuild under him. where are the exciting you players , where has the squad improved. The only thing he has achieved was good defence at the END of each season that inflates the club performances as sides have taken them lightly .Pay is currently a rebuild coach, just like Brown was. He'll be given a chance with our "competitive" roster for 2021 and if he fails miserably will be given the flick, just like Brown was at the Knights. If a top coach did become available and it makes sense for us moving forward we should be ruthless regardless and go for them.
Why not read everything I wrote instead of what you can use to move the goal posts?Who's talking about a title contender? I'm talking about having a team that averages more than 14 points a game and finishes higher than 12th. Pay has had three years to recruit and coach his team up so I can't see how anyone can suggest that Pay hasn't been given a fair opportunity yet or that the "jury is still out"..
How much more evidence does a jury need to make a decision? Have you even watched how bad we look in attack for two plus seasons? Some of you want to make Pay a 5 year coach when he has a 33% win percentage and our team averages 15 ppg during his two plus years in charge.
We had the worst attack in the comp last year, and a F/A of -155 (despite our "lofty" and "overachieving" position of 12th) and you're preaching patience and still making excuses for him?
Good coaches do more with less.. Our team isn't great but not shocking in terms of talent compared to other teams. To suggest we can't do better is ignorant and a defeatist attitude.Why not read everything I wrote instead of what you can use to move the goal posts?
I'm not saying it's good but when I look at the team we're putting out it isn't good enough to compete with anyone bar the Warriors and Titans (that's why we've overachieved).
We have potentially the worst spine in the competition (without Foran - who still isn't enough himself against top teams) and you think we're going to score points when we're lacking in the backs too? We don't have dynamic props either (Tolman offers literally zero in the final third). Where are points coming from? I think that's the main reason our attack sucks...
You're just so out of touch with what we have compared to other teams and why and your expectations aren't realistic. Stop using the ladder because we overachieved where we finished...
Also I never said we have to keep Pay. What I'm saying is he's done a terrific job considering everything (only people who think otherwise are off with the fairies). If a top coach is available we should be ruthless regardless and go for him but I don't see this happening until at least 2022.
Win percentage, means absolutely nothing unless you’ve got a team that can win.Coronavirus or not, to re-sign a coach for two more years who has a win percentage south of 35% and has been responsible for the worst attack in the comp during two plus seasons would be a preposterous decision that would only set the club back further.
Surely our management aren't that blind or soft and would finally pull the trigger on a replacement. Who that replacement would be, I don't know.. But things can't get much worse and Pay has proven he isn't a head coach as he has zero tactical nous or gameplan. He's a defensive assistant at best.
I don't think any coach could do anything you'd expect with the roster we have. I can't disagree with if we had Bellamy as our coach we would do better, but I don't think it's as drastic as you think (and we're with Pay for a reason... he's a rebuild coach because no one else would touch us due to our salary cap position/team). Our team is shocking in terms of talent compared to other teams. We're a bottom four side on paper with little to no X-Factor.Good coaches do more with less.. Our team isn't great but not shocking in terms of talent compared to other teams. To suggest we can't do better is ignorant and a defeatist attitude.
Most other clubs would love to have players like CHN (before the saga), Reimis, Hopoate, DWZ, Renouf, Ogden, RFM, Foran and even stalwarts like Jackson, Tolman with others like Wakeham on their roster and would manage to utilise them better than Pay has.
Our spine still had two Internationals last season in DWZ and Foran. Other teams don't have amazing spines either and also have holes all throughout their roster.
You admit Tolman is average, then why does Pay play him 60 minutes a game and let him touch the ball three times a set when we have exciting and far more dynamic young forwards like To'omaga, Ogden and RFM etc?
Why does Pay play JMK 80 minutes each week when he shouldn't even be a bench player and why has he failed to sign another full time hooker in three seasons as coach?
You make it seem like Pay has nothing to answer for, has zero control over the team and should never be held responsible.
If that doesn't bother you, then does scoring 13 points a game last season? Or 15 ppg over Pay's two seasons?Win percentage, means absolutely nothing unless you’ve got a team that can win.
There are other things that bother me. The main thing being why we have a low win % in the first place which is because we don't have a competitive roster that's bottom four on paper.If that doesn't bother you, then does scoring 13 points a game last season? Or 15 ppg over Pay's two seasons?
As a Canterbury supporter I used to boast...Who's talking about a title contender? I'm talking about having a team that averages more than 14 points a game and finishes higher than 12th. Pay has had three years to recruit and coach his team up so I can't see how anyone can suggest that Pay hasn't been given a fair opportunity yet or that the "jury is still out"..
How much more evidence does a jury need to make a decision? Have you even watched how bad we look in attack for two plus seasons? Some of you want to make Pay a 5 year coach when he has a 33% win percentage and our team averages 15 ppg during his two plus years in charge.
We had the worst attack in the comp last year, and a F/A of -155 (despite our "lofty" and "overachieving" position of 12th) and you're preaching patience and still making excuses for him?