I wouldn't think that would be an issue as pretty much every club has given players permission to leave while still under contract. It's just the way business is done these days across the league.
Same people
Money does talk, but a lot of people on here don't want to spend it and magically think decent/marquee players will come to the club for their value. We're the last Sydney club a player is going to sign for. If we're not using location as a reason a player will/won't sign, Titans are the only team I think players wouldn't pick over us currently. We're going to have to overpay, get used to it everyone.
Also, if managers are worried BEFORE even signing about their players getting moved on early, maybe that speaks to their players being paper tigers, like Woods turned out to be. In that case, they'd be doing us a favour, really. A player who is as good as he/his manager says he is shouldn't have to fear getting moved on...
Or develop
Throwing developed players into a "shit squad" isn't going to work either. Also what's to stop other clubs buying them from us? If we're a bottom 4 side every year why would they stick around. We'll end up overpaying on our own players, great idea! There's no reason why we can't develop players while overpaying for decent/marquee players. It just speeds up the process... I don't really get "or develop" argument when you can do that at the same time.
It’s not a shit squad if you have a few decent first graders already which we do then you bring in promising juniors then you can top up with players when they become available and suit our terms. Going out and over paying for average players will mean you can afford to keep juniors once they hit NRL. You keep blurring the lines between who you will over pay for is it just a marquee or decent players? It’s a lot easier to lock up your own talent then attracting it.
I'm saying we overpay for Latrell and Fifita, bring in Harry Grant (similar to Knights gamble on Ponga, but to a lesser degree). Then either buy players for value in the future (which mean's we're performing well enough to attract) or we use our "developed" players. We can't just have our current 1-17 and add "developed" players. I'm also saying in our current state we can't attract rejects or players looking for an opportunity unless we overpay on them or no other clubs want them... I agree that we shouldn't overpay for Ramien or Koroisau, but how do we move forward? I think we have to do something similar to what I mentioned just before. There are people that don't want to overpay on any player full stop which is ludicrous.
Exactly development should be priority.
You aren't going to sign any decent players without overpaying. Players like Ramien and Koroisau aren't coming to the club (I assume you think they're decent players? The quality of players doesn't really matter. We have to overpay on almost everyone) because we didn't overpay and another Sydney club came in for them. Unless the stars align we ain't getting any new players for value.
It all depends on how much you’d have to over pay on players like Latrell and Fifita you’d have to blow the bank on them. I think you’d have to go at least $300k over other offers to get them to even consider it. It’s not worth it. We have to bid out time until the right players become available you don’t seem to like the patient approach but it looks like that’s the way the club is doing it.
I think they're doing that until November hits. Otherwise it's going to be another 5-10 year rebuild in my eyes.
You underestimate what we have coming through if you think it’s going to be 5-10 years. The hard part is done now and we will be back up square one over paying.
I guess I do underestimate who we have coming through (I'm adamant, by themselves they're not enough to turn our club back around). I also disagree with being back to square 1 if we overpay on 2 marquee signings. We'll see tho.
Which club has gone through a rebuild without buying other players?
We're the last Sydney club a player will come to. Unless they have no other offers or we overpay they ain't coming. The list will get longer, so far we have: Ramien, Koroisau. The last I heard of Ese'ese is he wanted 50-100k more or he's going to the Tigers.
I totally understand your point of view.
DWZ wanted to go to the Tigers, but they couldn't move Mbye on. DWZ then wanted to go to the Eels, but they couldn't offer him a Fullback spot (Gutherson). DWZ was also a mid season signing, which meant his hand was forced (otherwise he's playing reserve grade right now). I don't know the CHN situation well enough to talk about him (I do know Gus said CHN got an offer that he couldn't stand in his way with, which must mean it was a very good offer for the player, $ or opportunity that he couldn't get elsewhere). The rest of the players you named that we signed aren't good enough to take us forward on their own. We need decent/marquee players in the squad. The quickest (and only) way to do that is overpay on 2 marquee players and see who follows them and how we compete in the following seasons. Maybe then we'll be able to sign reject players for their value (Koroisau, Ramien, etc). The Anderson's also came out and said in 2021 they'd be building the club around a goal kicker and a forward. Latrell and Fifita (or Arrow) would fit that build. I also have no problem with the coach and would only upgrade him if someone with the pedigree like Flanagan was available. The position/situation we're in is a mess and that's the same reason why we can't attract players. I'd really love to be proven wrong about this, but I just don't see it atm with everything I've seen/know.