Hero Dad or Bully?

[Wahesh]

I've seen those sorts of comments on social media - there is nothing in this story whatsoever for someone to be able to say that this father's actions somehow stopped a suicide, or similar actions by others do, or that not choking out the alleged bully will lead to their suicide.

Pretty naive to think that this guy's actions now means his kid will be 100% free from bullying going forward, and that's before you get to the other stuff, like what kind of adult they will become. There's probably a good chance he's made it worse for the long term, and from my own observations growing up, that's what tends to happen.

You do know that it is human nature to take things just a little step further right? Remember my thread about Jason? It started with teasing. Then pushing and shoving. Then physical bullying. That guy was moment away from killing himself and would have if those 2 guys didn't show up and defend him:

https://www.thekennel.net.au/forum/index.php?threads/jasons-story.108451/

One such Friday, he was waiting outside the classroom balcony on the 3rd floor of a building during lunchtime and was looking at all the kids down in the yard playing handball and sitting hanging out with each other, laughing, talking and just being mates. His bag was leaning against the classroom door. The bent over towards his bag to get a sandwich out and felt a sharp blow to his back. He was struck in the middle of his back right in the centre his spine by a friend of the bully who he had badly beaten at his previous school. He couldn't get up. He managed to roll himself over and saw the guy standing over him. I think he said his name was Jonathan or something like that.

He looked up and Jonathan was close to Jason and Jason thought that was it, he was committing suicide before the day was out, and the straw had finally broken the camels back, but before he could even say anything, Jason saw Jonathan's eyes light up. He had been grabbed from behind by a big Samoan bloke (Nick) and pushed to the other side of the balcony and went sliding along the smooth concrete about 5 metres. He got up when he saw Nick and bolted to the stair case on the other side of the balcony when he saw a huge Tongan bloke, Tommy, come up that very staircase. He was cornered. Nick one side, Tommy another. He tried to get them to chill out but they didn't want to hear it. Nick grabbed him but the shirt collar and elevated him off the ground and got in his face... "WE'VE SEEN YOU BULLY THIS GUY EVERY FUCKEN DAY THIS YEAR, AND I'M SICK OF IT. IT STOPS NOW, OR ELSE I WILL KILL YA!" and then he let Jonathan down, and he went running off like a rat.

Then both guys went and helped Jason up. Tommy also carried Jason's bag. They helped him slowly walk down the stairs. When they got to the bottom, everyone in the yard stopped what they were doing and looked at them - even the teacher on yard duty. You could heard a pin drop. Two big Polynesian guys helping a social outcast get across the yard, standing by him, acting almost like bodyguards. They escorted Jason to the sick bay and he got checked out by the nurse. Lucky it was nothing serious, just a nasty bruise on his back.

The fact is you don't know how far this could have gone, and we've seen it far too often, that kids commit suicide after years of bullying. They start with small things then grow. This girl was being bullied for years. How long do you think she would've endured it? You should NOT be defending this little brat at all @CroydonDog - especially considering your a father/or about to become one.

 

[CroydonDog]

Funny, a 14 year old is just a kid when he bullys some other kid to his death

but, a 14 year old is not a kid when he shoots an AFP officer in the head.

A 14 years old a a kid when he's bullying someone, or shooting someone. Both are wrong and there are consequences. I just don't agree that an adult beating up at kid is a "hero" like many others seem to think so.

 

[Indiandog]

A 14 years old a a kid when he's bullying someone, or shooting someone. Both are wrong and there are consequences. I just don't agree that an adult beating up at kid is a "hero" like many others seem to think so.

in my eyes a 14 year old is not a "kid".

James Charles was the youngest ANZAC at 14 years and 3 months.

 

[CroydonDog]

You do know that it is human nature to take things just a little step further right? Remember my thread about Jason? It started with teasing. Then pushing and shoving. Then physical bullying. That guy was moment away from killing himself and would have if those 2 guys didn't show up and defend him:

https://www.thekennel.net.au/forum/index.php?threads/jasons-story.108451/


The fact is you don't know how far this could have gone, and we've seen it far too often, that kids commit suicide after years of bullying. They start with small things then grow. This girl was being bullied for years. How long do you think she would've endured it? You should NOT be defending this little brat at all @CroydonDog - especially considering your a father/or about to become one.

No matter what's happening, an adult should not choke a kid. I appreciate he was driven to a point of severe frustrating and anger, but he is supposed to be the ADULT.

I use the word "should", because we're not perfect, and some people only know the violence route themselves.

I was bullied at school, but I would never have wanted my old man to go around bashing people himself.

Having a Dad in prison will do wonders for a kid's upbringing i'm sure.

I've seen those sorts of comments on social media - there is nothing in this story whatsoever for someone to be able to say that this father's actions somehow stopped a suicide, or similar actions by others do, or that not choking out the alleged bully will lead to their suicide.

Pretty naive to think that this guy's actions now means his kid will be 100% free from bullying going forward, and that's before you get to the other stuff, like what kind of adult they will become. There's probably a good chance he's made it worse for the long term, and from my own observations growing up, that's what tends to happen.

The kid who probably had the hardest time when I was at school was one whose father was a dead set deadbeat, who was in and out of prison, and never seemed to have a job. One could only imagine his shit life at home, and many kids, fuelled by what they would have heard at home from their own parent's judgements on his old man and family generally (this was in a small town), just made it worse when he bothered to go to school. He would be goaded until he snapped, and so got suspended plenty of times. No idea what happened to him, but i don;t think his prospects were good.

A 14 years old a a kid when he's bullying someone, or shooting someone. Both are wrong and there are consequences. I just don't agree that an adult beating up at kid is a "hero" like many others seem to think so.

I have literally just put in every quote I have made on this thread, and can't see where I have defended any bullies.

Yes, I have become a father, and I still wouldn't do what the guy did, and if I did, would regret it immediately, and face the consequences.

The guy said he just wanted to give the kid a severe talking to, but then snapped when the bully smiled and therefore provoked him. Fair enough. Now, if that is 100% true, it shows he still made a mistake. And he has even noted and admitted this.

The other possibility is he intended all along to do what he did (which he has denied), which would fit the narrative more for yourself and anyone else calling him a "hero".

 

[CroydonDog]

in my eyes a 14 year old is not a "kid".

James Charles was the youngest ANZAC at 14 years and 3 months.

When one of your kids turns 14, i'm sure you will still see him a kid

 

[Nano]

I've seen those sorts of comments on social media - there is nothing in this story whatsoever for someone to be able to say that this father's actions somehow stopped a suicide, or similar actions by others do, or that not choking out the alleged bully will lead to their suicide.

Pretty naive to think that this guy's actions now means his kid will be 100% free from bullying going forward, and that's before you get to the other stuff, like what kind of adult they will become. There's probably a good chance he's made it worse for the long term, and from my own observations growing up, that's what tends to happen.

Aren't you tired of being wrong with your whole "I side the what the law says/open minded" view on things? You have to understand that your shit anglo laws on protecting kids at school or disciplining them don't work period, so much a good "firm talking too" is going to do for a kid who knows they can get away with it since words don't do anything plus know nothing serious will happen to them as they are minors... Sounds like a recurring pattern thats happened over and over here now wouldn't you agree? When my brother was around God rest his soul, he had a few bullies peskier him at high school but my father told him don't get violent and report it to the school because you know they should take care of it because thats what they make you believe here, like that worked lmao

It kept happening and the school would give very weak excuses on why it wasn't solved, my father being an older generation ethnic had enough so he went down to the school, found the principal and deputy and gave them a spraying on what shit teachers they are and told them if my brother got hurt or anything long lasting from it he would come after them physically. He didn't stop there, he waited after school for the bully and his parents approached them told them what was happening and if it didn't stop he would have no problem back handing the fuck out of the child infront of them followed by the father and guess what?

The bullying stopped and he never approached my brother, my father is a highly educated man so he knew what needed to be done because he understands your shit anglo laws achieve nothing with this matter most of the time, also my brother grew up to be a fine young man who worked hard and did his part for the community and some before he was taken away from us... Also to note my brother grew up to be 6 foot 3 and pushing 95-100kgs with a decent build on him and as strong as an ox, if the bullying continued could you imagine what he would of done to this kid who grew up to be a ratty looking fkwit after school if he waited for a revenge attack like some kids do if no one helps intervene or solve the issues early?

Getting physical or violent doesn't mean you a deadbeat or wrong all the time, sometimes its the only way to deal with people especially brats who have never tasted proper discipline and continue to act like they do

 

[Indiandog]

When one of your kids turns 14, i'm sure you will still see him a kid

I know I wanted to shag Pamela Anderson when I was 13 and produce my own kids.

 

[belmore_utd]

Al Bundy is the real hero here

 

[CroydonDog]

Aren't you tired of being wrong with your whole "I side the what the law says/open minded" view on things? You have to understand that your shit anglo laws on protecting kids at school or disciplining them don't work period, so much a good "firm talking too" is going to do for a kid who knows they can get away with it since words don't do anything plus know nothing serious will happen to them as they are minors... Sounds like a recurring pattern thats happened over and over here now wouldn't you agree? When my brother was around God rest his soul, he had a few bullies peskier him at high school but my father told him don't get violent and report it to the school because you know they should take care of it because thats what they make you believe here, like that worked lmao

It kept happening and the school would give very weak excuses on why it wasn't solved, my father being an older generation ethnic had enough so he went down to the school, found the principal and deputy and gave them a spraying on what shit teachers they are and told them if my brother got hurt or anything long lasting from it he would come after them physically. He didn't stop there, he waited after school for the bully and his parents approached them told them what was happening and if it didn't stop he would have no problem back handing the fuck out of the child infront of them followed by the father and guess what?

The bullying stopped and he never approached my brother, my father is a highly educated man so he knew what needed to be done because he understands your shit anglo laws achieve nothing with this matter most of the time, also my brother grew up to be a fine young man who worked hard and did his part for the community and some before he was taken away from us... Also to note my brother grew up to be 6 foot 3 and pushing 95-100kgs with a decent build on him and as strong as an ox, if the bullying continued could you imagine what he would of done to this kid who grew up to be a ratty looking fkwit after school if he waited for a revenge attack like some kids do if no one helps intervene or solve the issues early?

Getting physical or violent doesn't mean you a deadbeat or wrong all the time, sometimes its the only way to deal with people especially brats who have never tasted proper discipline and continue to act like they do

I think what the father did was wrong (and he has said so himself) - I have not condemned him to the fiery pits of hell, or even prison for his actions. He snapped. It happens.

What your father did was intimidating the others which, in this case, appears to have worked, but he also didn't actually beat anyone up in the process.

I have also never said that violence is never the answer in any situation. Or that "the law" is should be followed at all times because its the law.

Your post is fairly typical of your "my ethnic way is so awesome, and aussies are shit". Aren't you sick of this country by now?

 

[belmore_utd]

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[CroydonDog]

Al Bundy is the real hero hereView attachment 5748

Al did beat up a number of Kelly's boyfriends (well, showed them where the doorframe was) but that did all appear to be over 18

 

[CroydonDog]

I know I wanted to shag Pamela Anderson when I was 13 and produce my own kids.

For me it was Melissa Tkautz, but I get your point.

 

[Wahesh]

I have literally just put in every quote I have made on this thread, and can't see where I have defended any bullies.

Yes, I have become a father, and I still wouldn't do what the guy did, and if I did, would regret it immediately, and face the consequences.

The guy said he just wanted to give the kid a severe talking to, but then snapped when the bully smiled and therefore provoked him. Fair enough. Now, if that is 100% true, it shows he still made a mistake. And he has even noted and admitted this.

The other possibility is he intended all along to do what he did (which he has denied), which would fit the narrative more for yourself and anyone else calling him a "hero".

I would probably regret it, but that's just the consequences of my actions kicking it. I would NOT regret doing to this kid what his parents didn't do, and that is teach them actions have consequences. If I just had to talk to him, and had no other option, I reckon I would scream the fuck into his fucking ear the top of my lungs, so much so that all the neighbours come out to see what the fuck is going on, and there I will be standing on top of this little shit, red face, veins coming out of my skin, look of death in my eyes... believe me I reckon I can scar little shits into backing the fuck off.

 

[ThePedigree]

The reason Bullying is getting more a problem is because these kids aren’t copping a flogging like some of us older guys used to when we were kids. Good on him. I’d do the same thing for my daughter.

I wouldn’t have thrown punches though. But in the end the father was defending himself from being attacked also.

 

[CroydonDog]

I would probably regret it, but that's just the consequences of my actions kicking it. I would NOT regret doing to this kid what his parents didn't do, and that is teach them actions have consequences. If I just had to talk to him, and had no other option, I reckon I would scream the fuck into his fucking ear the top of my lungs, so much so that all the neighbours come out to see what the fuck is going on, and there I will be standing on top of this little shit, red face, veins coming out of my skin, look of death in my eyes... believe me I reckon I can scar little shits into backing the fuck off.

Our views on this issue may now be as opposite as either of us initially thought...

 

[CroydonDog]

The reason Bullying is getting more a problem is because these kids aren’t copping a flogging like some of us older guys used to when we were kids. Good on him. I’d do the same thing for my daughter.

I don't bullying necessarily is become more common - but as I think someone said earlier in the thread, it is certainly now pursuing kids 24/7 as opposed to when a kid could escape it once they got home from school. It's also so easy for parents not to have a clue, having never faced the relentlessness of modern bullying themselves.

 

[Wahesh]

Our views on this issue may now be as opposite as either of us initially thought...

Mate @Nano said it perfectly. The laws do not work. Parents do need to intervene.

 

[The DoggFather]

Good on him, I LOVE bullying the bullies, did that since the 6th grade.

I wouldn't of choked the ****, I would of headbutted him.

Only thing the dad did wrong was let some other little scrotum licker tape it.

 

[belmore_utd]

Al did beat up a number of Kelly's boyfriends (well, showed them where the doorframe was) but that did all appear to be over 18

Tbf Kelly always brought fuckboys home

 

[CroydonDog]

Mate @Nano said it perfectly. The laws do not work. Parents do need to intervene.

And parents should intervene in some way, especially if they feel let down by the system. I would too.

BUT, for the tenth, an adult SHOULDN'T assault a 14 year old. Now, he says he didn't intend to and just snapped, so fair enough, and it happens, and the small fine is probably an apt result. But I'm just not going to make him out to be some sort of hero.