Gay marriage plebiscite - Result YES to SSM

[Dogna88]

well this is what I don't get, I got married to my wife cos basically I could NOT have kids with her (or have sex) without getting married AS PER MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS , there was no other reason I got married to her.

So it goes back to the same argument that marriage between a man and a woman (not man with man or woman with woman) has always been a religious act or a compulsion from religion (all religions not just one) to keep people away from sin. period.

I feel like a broken record as the question has been asked on these forums and else where , homosexuality is not accepted by any of the main religions on this planet, why would gay want to get married , when they have all the rights and freedom in this country to do every thing they want that also includes living together, having sexual relation ship and even have kid.

It is like a person like me who practices islam but because he doesn't feel equal to christians in this country he wants to get married with 4 women at the same time in a catholic church by a catholic priest and taking the vows as per the bible.

Or even better I want to get divorced by catholic church just cos I want to feel equal to my Christian brothers in this country.

From what i gather by your last statement its ridiculous. Your comparing beleifs of two religions.

Religion is by nature intolerant and bias.

We are talking about the law. Which is meant to be impartial and without bias and without prejudice

 

[Indiandog]

From what i gather by your last statement its ridiculous. Your comparing beleifs of two religions.

Religion is by nature intolerant and bias.

We are talking about the law. Which is meant to be impartial and without bias and without prejudice

you didn't get my last statements or found them ridiculous cos you don't understand that marriage is a religious act, always has been and always will be.

if you think marriage predates all religion than prove it to me according to what belief system marriage was a compulsory act to have sexual intercourse or have kids at any point in human history.

and for your argument that gay couples have to provide evidence of their relationship with documented evidences that they have been living together and in a genuine relationship etc then I had to do the same when I brought my mail order bride from overseas to prove my relationship with her. I got married overseas and never got any piece of paper from Australian govt or institution to show that me and wife were married.

whats the big deal here?

 

[Flanagun]

But you still didn't answer my question.

Would you truly vote yes for love is love? And where does love stop? Only at LBGTI and straight love? Why not add an S now to the alaphbet label? Why not add P and B too? Or once one group got what they wanted its too fucking bad for everyone different?

I'm just using societies stupid arse logic and hidden discrimination against them.

He did answer your question. Love starts and stops with reciprocation and respect. The same way a consenting act of sex could be construed as an act of love, but a case of someone drugging someone and keeping them captive in the basement wouldn’t be.

We don’t stand against marriage as a society to discourage people from drugging others and keeping them captive in their basements.

Your argument is a diversionary one and it’s hurtful for consenting adults to have their relationships compared to instances of abuse where manipulation and control is a major part of that power dynamic.

I really don’t get how people don’t see this.

 

[Flanagun]

Acting like a bigoted yes voter, love is love. Who are you to stop other love?

No you’re not. Your reasoning is flawed and if you can’t see that, you need to think harder. Your line of questioning is silly and hurtful.

I’m not saying you don’t have the right to ask, but it’s a silly and hurtful question.

 

[Dogna88]

you didn't get my last statements or found them ridiculous cos you don't understand that marriage is a religious act, always has been and always will be.

if you think marriage predates all religion than prove it to me according to what belief system marriage was a compulsory act to have sexual intercourse or have kids at any point in human history.

and for your argument that gay couples have to provide evidence of their relationship with documented evidences that they have been living together and in a genuine relationship etc then I had to do the same when I brought my mail order bride from overseas to prove my relationship with her. I got married overseas and never got any piece of paper from Australian govt or institution to show that me and wife were married.

whats the big deal here?

Just LOL.

Marriage isnt a religious invention. Full stop. If you can't admit that, then your need to stop listening to your shieks and actually educate yourself.

I got married. Not in a religious institution. Doesnt make me less married than you.

Legally. We are equal. And deserve equal rights. Regardless of what "God" or the flying spaghetti monster says.

But anyways, keep preaching intolerances, unequal rights, bias and prejudice through your religion. God is Great. Lol.

 

[south of heaven]

, why would gay want to get married , when they have all the rights and freedom in this country to do every thing they want that also includes living together, having sexual relation ship and even have kid.

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Incorrect!!!! If gay dude has boyfriend gets in accident and is on life support but he discussed with his partner if he was in that state he wanted the plug pulled .gay dude boyfriend has no right to even though he should.
Now ill make this part easy for all .
If a gay person wants to get married in a church they are an idiot and should be treated as such.
If a religious person is offended that a gay person wants to get married outside a church they are an idiot and should be treated as such .
The end of the day theres much bigger problems in the world then 2 people wanting to get married .
So merry Christmas to all or happy fucking holidays or whatever any **** celebrates. Eat well stay safe and enjoy the fucking summer .
Ho ho ho *****

 

[CaptainJackson]

If a religion promotes racism, intolerance and exclusion... that is not a religion that should be followed

Damn you @Dogna88 I'm trying so hard to not further comment on this point lol

 

[Dogna88]

Damn you @Dogna88 I'm trying so hard to not further comment on this point lol

You may disagree and want to argue the point. But its simple really.

Sometimes the beer goggles need to be taken off and things seen for what they really are.

 

[CroydonDog]

. Eat well stay safe and enjoy the fucking summer .
Ho ho ho *****

Don't tell me what to do.

 

[CaptainJackson]

You may disagree and want to argue the point. But its simple really.

Sometimes the beer goggles need to be taken off and things seen for what they really are.

I agree with it completely for all religions but the point was if I start posting about it I'm just going to offend people

 

[south of heaven]

Don't tell me what to do.

I fucking well will you have a fucking awsome Christmas and good food ok !!!!!!

 

[CaptainJackson]

I fucking well will you have a fucking awsome Christmas and good food ok !!!!!!

Nazi telling people what to do

 

[CroydonDog]

I fucking well will you have a fucking awsome Christmas and good food ok !!!!!!

*sigh* ok... ok... if you are going to force it down my throat...

 

[Indiandog]

Just LOL.

Marriage isnt a religious invention. Full stop. If you can't admit that, then your need to stop listening to your shieks and actually educate yourself.

I got married. Not in a religious institution. Doesnt make me less married than you.

Legally. We are equal. And deserve equal rights. Regardless of what "God" or the flying spaghetti monster says.

But anyways, keep preaching intolerances, unequal rights, bias and prejudice through your religion. God is Great. Lol.

"Just LOL" is not the proof of marriage not being a religious practice.

you getting married not in a religious institution becomes a legal contractual ceremony so which is similar to a de facto relation ship. so basically at the end of the day homosexual marriage is all about a piece of paper to prove their relation ship that is all.

and when I have preached intolerance, un equal rights, bias and prejudice when I am only talking about protecting the rights of churches, mosques, synagogues etc? I am a minority in this country and most likely always will be so what I think or say doesn't really matter in the bigger schemes of things, even though I am not doing what you just accused me of.

you need to read and comprehend before you throw accusations

Allah indeed Akbar.

 

[EXPLORER]

*sigh* ok... ok... if you are going to force it down my throat...

Lol
In that case

On your knees then

 

[Dogna88]

"Just LOL" is not the proof of marriage not being a religious practice.

you getting married not in a religious institution becomes a legal contractual ceremony so which is similar to a de facto relation ship. so basically at the end of the day homosexual marriage is all about a piece of paper to prove their relation ship that is all.

and when I have preached intolerance, un equal rights, bias and prejudice when I am only talking about protecting the rights of churches, mosques, synagogues etc? I am a minority in this country and most likely always will be so what I think or say doesn't really matter in the bigger schemes of things, even though I am not doing what you just accused me of.

you need to read and comprehend before you throw accusations

Allah indeed Akbar.

Of course marriage is a religious practice... but marriage is not exclusive to religion. Its origin and history PROVE that

Similar to a defacto relationship???

You cant be serious... you cleary have no concept of the law.

Oh my... not even going to bother with your religiously brainwashed mind... Your bias gets in the way of facts

Keep hating in life. Will work wonders for you.

 

[Indiandog]

Of course marriage is a religious practice... but marriage is not exclusive to religion. Its origin and history PROVE that

Similar to a defacto relationship???

You cant be serious... you cleary have no concept of the law.

Oh my... not even going to bother with your religiously brainwashed mind... Your bias gets in the way of facts

Keep hating in life. Will work wonders for you.

I have no idea about law and I am the one getting the bias in the way of facts? really?

here is a bit of education for you

How does the law define a de facto relationship?
The laws defining a de facto relationship are outlined in the Family Law Act. The law requires that two people, who may be of the same or opposite sex, have a relationship as a couple living together on a genuine domestic basis. However, a relationship is not a de facto relationship if the couple is legally married to one another or if they are related by family.

There are four “gateway” criteria that are used to assess whether a claim for property settlement or maintenance can be made in respect of the relationship when it comes to Family Law matters:

1. That the period of the de facto relationship is at least 2 years;
2. That there is a child of the de facto relationship;
3. That the relationship is or was registered under a prescribed law of a State or Territory.
4. That significant contributions were being made by one party and the failure to make an order would result in a serious injustice.

For any relationship that ended after March 2009, and which meets at least one of the four “gateway” requirements for de facto relationships, parties are able to commence proceedings in the Family Court or the Federal Circuit Court. The Courts will then deal with the matter in a very similar way they would with a legally married couple commencing proceedings.

For individuals who are considering entering into a de facto relationship by moving in together, or who have moved in together, it is important to understand the implications of such an arrangement. It is worthwhile to discuss matters with your partner or consider a more formal Binding Financial Agreement (or “pre-nup”) which is available to de facto couples as well as married couples and provides greater certainty when it comes to the division of assets in the event of a relationship breakdown. An Accredited Family Law specialist can assist you in deciding whether a Financial Agreement is right for you.

What am I entitled to if my de facto relationship breaks down?
If your de facto relationship comes to an end, you have up to two years to apply for financial orders (property settlement). If you seek to apply after this two year period, you will need to first obtain the Court’s permission.

You should seek advice from an experienced lawyer as to your particular entitlements in the circumstances of your relationship as there is no one answer as to the appropriate outcome. Learn more about de facto property settlement.

You will have access to the same legal systems as a legally married couple and can apply for various types of court orders including parenting, child support, maintenance and the division of assets, including superannuation. As with separating married couples, de facto couples can come to an agreement outside of the court system through alternative dispute resolution.

 

[Indiandog]

I think if I stop listening to my sheikh , may be then I will understand the difference between a defacto and a married couple, but at this point in time my hate, bias, intolerance and prejudice is clouding my judgement.

fkn lol.

 

[Dogna88]

I have no idea about law and I am the one getting the bias in the way of facts? really?

here is a bit of education for you

How does the law define a de facto relationship?
The laws defining a de facto relationship are outlined in the Family Law Act. The law requires that two people, who may be of the same or opposite sex, have a relationship as a couple living together on a genuine domestic basis. However, a relationship is not a de facto relationship if the couple is legally married to one another or if they are related by family.

There are four “gateway” criteria that are used to assess whether a claim for property settlement or maintenance can be made in respect of the relationship when it comes to Family Law matters:

1. That the period of the de facto relationship is at least 2 years;
2. That there is a child of the de facto relationship;
3. That the relationship is or was registered under a prescribed law of a State or Territory.
4. That significant contributions were being made by one party and the failure to make an order would result in a serious injustice.

For any relationship that ended after March 2009, and which meets at least one of the four “gateway” requirements for de facto relationships, parties are able to commence proceedings in the Family Court or the Federal Circuit Court. The Courts will then deal with the matter in a very similar way they would with a legally married couple commencing proceedings.

For individuals who are considering entering into a de facto relationship by moving in together, or who have moved in together, it is important to understand the implications of such an arrangement. It is worthwhile to discuss matters with your partner or consider a more formal Binding Financial Agreement (or “pre-nup”) which is available to de facto couples as well as married couples and provides greater certainty when it comes to the division of assets in the event of a relationship breakdown. An Accredited Family Law specialist can assist you in deciding whether a Financial Agreement is right for you.

What am I entitled to if my de facto relationship breaks down?
If your de facto relationship comes to an end, you have up to two years to apply for financial orders (property settlement). If you seek to apply after this two year period, you will need to first obtain the Court’s permission.

You should seek advice from an experienced lawyer as to your particular entitlements in the circumstances of your relationship as there is no one answer as to the appropriate outcome. Learn more about de facto property settlement.

You will have access to the same legal systems as a legally married couple and can apply for various types of court orders including parenting, child support, maintenance and the division of assets, including superannuation. As with separating married couples, de facto couples can come to an agreement outside of the court system through alternative dispute resolution.

Perfect.

Was waiting for this.

Look at the 4 gateway criteria....

If you meet Jane in the side of the street, and decide to marry her. What is questioned? Whats the criteria for marriage....

But if you meet Bob. You have no rights, you need to get permission from the Government (ie meet their critera) to even be considered legally equal...

You really dont see the prejudice, separation and bias in that???

Your muslim. Before the government allows you to freely practice islam. Would you like to have to meet a criteria to show your not an extremist???

 

[Indiandog]

Perfect.

Was waiting for this.

Look at the 4 gateway criteria....

If you meet Jane in the side of the street, and decide to marry her. What is questioned? Whats the criteria for marriage....

But if you meet Bob. You have no rights, you need to get permission from the Government (ie meet their critera) to even be considered legally equal...

You really dont see the prejudice, separation and bias in that???

Your muslim. Before the government allows you to freely practice islam. Would you like to have to meet a criteria to show your not an extremist???

don't tell me about the bias and prejudice I go through with govt and general public on daily basis and the criteria to prove I am not an extremist. the amount of time I go through bomb detection security checks at the airports and they still ask me the question "have you gone through this test before"... I am like yeah fucken this morning. so again , I am not throwing the victim card here , just telling you how this world operates and what is the law.

also read your posts on last 2 pages and see the hypocrisy and prejudice in your own posts. lol

I already told you the steps I had to go through to prove me wife I legally wed to in another country is actually my wife.