Voice referendum

[SexBomb]

I did.

And you amongst many many others still don't know the difference between a policy and a procedure. Or you did and are using the ignorance card to hide the racism.

It saddens me to see the race card played by the Yes camp as the response to losing this referendum.

 

[Blue_boost]

Nothing embarrassing about believing on something that goes against the majority. Something very embarrassing about carrying on for days about how a vote is going to be rigged against your side, only to go on and win that vote. If anyone on this thread should be embarrassed, it’s you.

the vote was rigged, but they still lost.. if it weren’t for the double voting, called no voters dinosaur dickheads, racists and bigots etc and dodgy counting, they would have only achieved 20% support, if that

There is plenty for you to be embarrassed, everyone is saying how poorly the yes campaign went about things yet you still voted for them? They fooled you hook line and sinker. Gullible

 

[SexBomb]

It's the same with every group unfortunately. People don't see the discrimination because they're outside the group.

Muslims still get abused, Christians get abused, Aboriginals, gays, everyone. Unfortunately racism and bigotry still exist regardless of how many people keep telling us that it's no longer a problem.

How do we combat prior evolutionary behaviour?

Until we collectively learn to put others in front of ourselves and not tolerate narcissistic egotistical behaviour, the human race will not evolve beyond the stage we're currently at.

 

[Bad Billy]

He said no referendum has ever succeeded without bipartisan support. And he's right.

So why proceed? He knows the history. He should’ve worked with the libs for an option that they could both get behind.
he arrogantly chose to attempt to create history and then complained when it blew up in his face.

 

[DinkumDog]

Albo made 66 promises. So far he has only delivered 19.

But are they ‘core’ or ‘non-core’ promises??

 

[Flanagun]

So why proceed? He knows the history. He should’ve worked with the libs for an option that they could both get behind.
he arrogantly chose to attempt to create history and then complained when it blew up in his face.

Early polling suggested the referendum would gain the necessary support, precedent, or not. You can’t just pull out of a referendum midway through when it becomes clear things aren’t going your way.

You honestly think there’s anything he could have done to convince the Libs to show bipartisan support on this? He at least tried to show intent to work across party lines by publicly committing to forming a bipartisan panel to oversee the Voice, should it get up.

All he did was try to listen in good faith to what Aboriginal people were telling him they wanted, and attempt to deliver it. He didn’t do the best job of selling the campaign, but the rhetoric that this was just some personal vanity project is just nonsense.

You should probably read the Uluṟu Statement from the Heart. If you have read it and still think this was an ego trip about creating history, there’s just no use arguing with you.

As for his speech, it was fairly measured… especially compared to Dutton, who just gloated and demonstrated what many of us knew all along - that to him, this referendum was nothing more than a political point scoring exercise.

 

[SexBomb]

There is good and bad in every single race/religion/culture. Im only against the bad.

Are you against the bad being utilised in a positive manner?
As a tool for understanding and positive growth?

 

[belmore_utd]

Spare me the bullshit. No reason to tolerate ratislly motivated slurs like Second Nations…. No need to tolerate disgusting arguments that compare
a proposed advisory panel you all got a vote on to apartheid, no reason to let complete nonsense go unchallenged. You and a few others on here are talking complete nonsense. Others like @Bullpit and @SexBomb are arguing their positions without cheap shots… but as usual, you are more interested in dumping on the left than debating the actual issue.

Wtf are you talking about dude. I never said second nations I never mentioned apartheid.

 

[belmore_utd]

As usual the progressives exposed as the biggest bigots because they didn't get their way Lol

 

[belmore_utd]

 

[Berries]

I thought the misinformation would have stopped after the NO vote won

Election Promise Tracker | RMIT ABC Fact Check

www.abc.net.au

Albo made 66 promises. So far he has only delivered 19.

Legit said it as bait and the guy who quotes every single one of my posts was on to it in a jiffy

 

[wendog33]

I wonder if any one on here can explain how the much tauted "socialist"/"communist" tags can apply to this referendum?

 

[Berries]

I wonder if any one on here can explain how the much tauted "socialist"/"communist" tags can apply to this referendum?

Or racist or far extreme right and maybe Nazi if they feel like it

 

[wendog33]

Or racist or far extreme right and maybe Nazi if they feel like it

Yeah well I can understand that line but socialist/communist I just cant see how that applies?

 

[Flanagun]

Wtf are talking about dude. I never said second nations I never mentioned apartheid.

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I never said you said those things. But you did compare the Voice to Sharia Law, which is pretty damn absurd in its own right… and you seem to have come on here with the sole purpose of bagging lefties, as usual. It’s pretty clear you’re not here to argue in good faith.

Other people have referred to Indigenous people as Second Nations and supported comparisons to apartheid on this very thread, by the way. To me this proves racism was a motivator for at least a percentage of the people who voted no. I never said it was a motivator for all… or even most.

I never accused you of racism personally, either. I just think you’re only here to share memes and mock.

If you’ll read through the comments, it should be pretty obvious that the majority of the mocking and derision is coming from the No side. If I had a vote for every time I’ve been called a moron, imbecile or something similar on here, yes would have won the majority vote in NSW, tbh.

I can tolerate differing opinions just fine, I have had respectful debates with plenty of No voters, both on this thread and outside of the forum. Having said that, my tolerance threshold is pretty low for people who want to spout complete bullshit, and for those who don’t really care about indigenous people and just want to turn this thread into a pissing contest.

 

[COVENS]

Or racist or far extreme right and maybe Nazi if they feel like it

Not everyone who voted "No" is a racist, but everyone who is racist, far extreme right or Nazi voted "No."

 

[SexBomb]

The referendum lost but still 40% voted Yes. That's a significant number of Aussies. Some said 5 million voters? Not sure. So he has received some backing from that as far as his party is concerned.

Doesn't translate directly of course but the election was won with only low 30s wasn't it. Thatt's a handy lot of voters half in the bag for Labor.

Disclaimer: just musing on the political ramifications of a 40% in favour vote. Not electioneering I too like @EXORCIST hold most of them in contempt...but can still put up opposing arguments when TK is flooded with one side

Oh come on Wendy !

Assuming that the Yes vote translates to Labor votes is a bridge too far!
Two-party preferred by that logic should see the Conservatives running the show with a 20% gap, which is not the case.

 

[SexBomb]

Spare me the bullshit. No reason to tolerate ratislly motivated slurs like Second Nations…. No need to tolerate disgusting arguments that compare
a proposed advisory panel you all got a vote on to apartheid, no reason to let complete nonsense go unchallenged. You and a few others on here are talking complete nonsense. Others like @Bullpit and @SexBomb are arguing their positions without cheap shots… but as usual, you are more interested in dumping on the left than debating the actual issue.

Thank you for that recognition.
It installs some hope within me, that this referendum was not just a waste of time and money, and that in time, with the requisite hard work to amend it, this ideal will be realised, and the benefits the vast majority seek towards Aboriginal Australians will be realised.
There are far too many desiring real improvement for it not to!

 

[Bad Billy]

Early polling suggested the referendum would gain the necessary support, Osborn of precedent, or not. You can’t just pull out of a referendum midway through when it becomes clear things aren’t going your way.

Prior to issuing the writ you can call off a referendum. Writ was issued September 11.
By then everyone knew it was going to fail.

You honestly think there’s anything he could have done to convince the Libs to show bipartisanship? He at least tried to show intent to work across party lines by publicly committing to forming a bipartisan panel to oversee the Voice, should it get up.

If they proposed recognition inshrined in the constitution and a voice legislated by government, it would likely have received bi-partisan support.

the rhetoric that this was just some personal vanity project is just nonsense.

It’s hard to see otherwise, when he immediately blamed others when it failed.

You should probably read the Uluṟu Statement from the Heart. If you have read it and still think this was an ego trip about creating history,

I have read it. there’s nothing wrong with the statement.
it’s the governments insistence that it’s gospel and must be adhered explicitly that was the failing.
perhaps the saddest outcome of the result is that the Uluru Statement has been stained in the eyes of some.

As for his speech, it was fairly measured… especially compared to Dutton, who just gloated and demonstrated what many of us knew all along - that to him, this referendum was nothing more than a political point scoring exercise.

Albo’s speech was as self aggrandizing as Duttons. If you couldn’t see that, you’re not being honest.

 

[wendog33]

Oh come on Wendy !

Assuming that the Yes vote translates to Labor votes is a bridge too far!
Two-party preferred by that logic should see the Conservatives running the show with a 20% gap, which is not the case.

No didn't say that it will translate but said prob half in the bag. What the No voters do I have no idea...it's much harder to quantify how Libs might benefit from 60% ...thats all I'm saying. Essentially I think 40% showed faith in the sentiment and large % could be "factored in" to remember this referendum when federal election comes round.

Edit: pls re-read what I wrote. Not anything like what you perceived I said