Round 6 - Dogs vs Cowboys - Team List and Game Discussion Thread

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Elliott is an edge backrower. He gets monstered big time playing in the middle. He did ok on egde for us. If Pay wants to persist with Elliott then he should move him to the edge and play Jackson at lock. Or better still just drop him altogether.
Elliot had one good 4-6 week stretch on the edge, with one blinder against the raiders in the during it but for the most part, he looked like a poor mans jackson out there, apart from that raiders game he didn't hit the lines as consistently as you'd expect and often seemed to get in the way, struggled laterally defensively at times too.

i'm on board for jacko to lock soon but not for elliot to take his place on the edge, the reason for moving jacko should be to get some more attack on the right edge (while also helping our middle defense), not a guy who offers less
 

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it is hard to be positive about our chances on saturday, i feel we're likely to have better effort then the raiders game but i feel like the desperate cowboys will be up for it and if they get a roll on early, it could be the ugliest game yet

Last Week: soft raiders resilient against bulldogs
This week: "past it" Thurston puts on 5 tries against bulldogs
 

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Except instead of just giving the hooker a rest he is switching around the entire spine.

I doubt they were training much with mbye at hooker and Holland at FB. It's just a terrible call to have him on the bench.
It could be jmk to hooker and mbye to 5/8. And hoppa to fb and holland to ctr.
But like you said thats like switching around the entire spine. May be thats what pay meant by bringing back the madness. Lol
 

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good that we've played games back to back games with teams with points to prove. expecting another 30+ loss
 

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Wow, let’s feel sorry for that Manly scum then
What has the Manly scum got to do with my post ?
Did I mention Des or Manly once?
Dude,if you got an opinion that disagrees with my post,then do your best,but stay on point and don't talk shit.
If you were a true Dogs supporter in 1996,I bet you were spitting chips when Jim Dymock,DEAN PAY,Jarrod McKracken and Jason Smith announced they signed with Parra,after they took us to the Court of Industrial Relations ,which allowed them out of the contracts with the Super League.
This brought an end to the 'Dogs of War' era,one of the most influential teams our club has ever fielded.
I was part of that small 7056 crowd at Belmore that cold June day in 1996,when we beat Parra 22-4 and gave these 4 traitors the verbal beat down they deserved.
True supporters that bleed blue and white stand up for our club and don't hide and whisper behind corners.
We don't forget and like SBW,Pay will not get a free pass,he will not earn our respect back with pity,but results.
So get real pal and before you feel sorry for this traitor,before he bends you over AGAIN,at least let him wine you and dine you!
 

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FFS this 'someone' is either a troll or lacks knowledge in rugby league.
Playing Holland fullback and Mbye hooker in 1st grade would be the dumbest thing I've seen Pay do and I've seen some blunders.
The Cows with Granville,Morgan and Thurston are one of the best in goal kicking teams in the comp.Holland isn't quick enough to cover the edges of our in goal.
Plus,you'll take Mbye,one of the comp's current best ball runners and gap exploiters and throw him in the hooking position,to point the attack.An area of the game he's already displayed he's ordinary at.
We have huge problems with our point of attack,cause although Lichaa has displayed his ability to run the ball up both sides of the ruck,the distribution area in his game remains questionable.
An area that can be worked on and fixed with better co-ordination and understanding with his halves.
What this 'someone' has suggested is to screw up two positions and fix jack shit!
Mate you can have injury anytime. Holland does provide cover for a lot of positions. He can cover all positions at the back. And by moving around mbye hoppa or jmk, any injury to halves and hooker can also be covered. Its not like you still have the luxury to have your best player in each position when injury happens.
Doesnt have to be mbye at hooker. He can swap with jmk. Im pretty sure jmk has trained there a bit during summer. If required mbye can handle that position too. He is not as bad as you stated in that position. He played in gf there and did a decent job. Probably can distribute the ball better and probably can also run better from dummy half against tiring opps.
Why suddenly worry about having a slow fb? We had hoppa there for 2 years! So whats the big deal if he has to cover that position again for another game?
Lichaa has had a few years to work on his distribution skills.
 

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Okunbor doesn't have the aggression as Hess,i really cant see him being a star he hasnt impress me YET!!
Aggression is an attitude not a skill.Any big man can build on his aggression if coached properly and is willing.
I remember Paul Langmack early in his career,as an 18 year old also showed no aggression,until Warren Ryan turned him into a beast.
 

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I have a feeling Olive starts at centre pushing Hoppa to wing and Montoya out.

Holland will stay on bench

Renouf to replace Fine on bench

Elliott stays and receives coach award regardless of the outcome
 

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I am willing to give Montoya another shot.

I just want forwards to be

8. Woods
10. Klemmer
11. RFM
12. Elliot (he will be in the 17 regardless)
13. Jackson

14. Tualal/Fualalo
15. To'omaga
16. Eastwood
17. Holland/Brown

If 11 or 12 injured. Jackson to 2nd row, eastwood to lock.
 

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I have a feeling Olive starts at centre pushing Hoppa to wing and Montoya out.

Holland will stay on bench

Renouf to replace Fine on bench

Elliott stays and receives coach award regardless of the outcome
May be olive to wing would make more sense if your feeling is right.
 

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It's a strange bench in all honesty.

14 Asipeli Fine - 2nd Row/Lock
15 Danny Fualalo - Prop/2nd Row/Lock
16 Greg Eastwood - 2nd Row/Lock/Prop
17 Kerrod Holland - Winger/Centre/Fullback

19 John Olive - Winger/Centre
20 Rhyse Martin - Prop/2nd Row/Lock
21 Renouf To’omaga - Prop/2nd Row/Lock
23 Reimis Smith - Winger/Centre

I'd prefer to see:
- Montoya and Hoppa given final chances. Underperform this game and both back to NSW Cup and replaced with Olive and Holland/Smith/Carr/Bergamin.
- Elliott dropped. He's done nothing to deserve his spot.
- 13. Greg Eastwood - promoted to starting lock.

14. Asipeli Fine - 2nd Row
15. Danny Fualalo - Prop
21. Renouf To’omaga - Prop/2nd Row/ Interchange Lock
17. Rhyse Martin - Prop/2nd Row
 

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I fully expect us to go down by 20 points in this game.
 

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May be olive to wing would make more sense if your feeling is right.
I know but I think he’s more comfortable at centre and Hoppa has won Origin and a GF at winger so no stranger there plus his carries will be stronger than Olive (or Montoya) for that matter
 

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What has the Manly scum got to do with my post ?
Did I mention Des or Manly once?
Dude,if you got an opinion that disagrees with my post,then do your best,but stay on point and don't talk shit.
If you were a true Dogs supporter in 1996,I bet you were spitting chips when Jim Dymock,DEAN PAY,Jarrod McKracken and Jason Smith announced they signed with Parra,after they took us to the Court of Industrial Relations ,which allowed them out of the contracts with the Super League.
This brought an end to the 'Dogs of War' era,one of the most influential teams our club has ever fielded.
I was part of that small 7056 crowd at Belmore that cold June day in 1996,when we beat Parra 22-4 and gave these 4 traitors the verbal beat down they deserved.
True supporters that bleed blue and white stand up for our club and don't hide and whisper behind corners.
We don't forget and like SBW,Pay will not get a free pass,he will not earn our respect back with pity,but results.
So get real pal and before you feel sorry for this traitor,before he bends you over AGAIN,at least let him wine you and dine you!

Grrrrrrr...Grrrrrrr....down boy, down!
 

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good that we've played games back to back games with teams with points to prove. expecting another 30+ loss
Its actually a really point.
Round 1 v Mel - defending premiers out to prove a point without Cronk
Round 2 v Roosters - lose the week before to Tigers
Round 5 v Raiders - team trying avoid 5 loses
now we have the cowboys and Thurston being questioned

the rugby league gods are against us
 

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Its actually a really point.
Round 1 v Mel - defending premiers out to prove a point without Cronk
Round 2 v Roosters - lose the week before to Tigers
Round 5 v Raiders - team trying avoid 5 loses
now we have the cowboys and Thurston being questioned

the rugby league gods are against us
How about we come out with a point to prove? That’s the most disappointing thing. Nothing’s stopping us from firing up or finding similar reasons that the opposition have.
 

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Mate you can have injury anytime. Holland does provide cover for a lot of positions. He can cover all positions at the back. And by moving around mbye hoppa or jmk, any injury to halves and hooker can also be covered. Its not like you still have the luxury to have your best player in each position when injury happens.
Doesnt have to be mbye at hooker. He can swap with jmk. Im pretty sure jmk has trained there a bit during summer. If required mbye can handle that position too. He is not as bad as you stated in that position. He played in gf there and did a decent job. Probably can distribute the ball better and probably can also run better from dummy half against tiring opps.
Why suddenly worry about having a slow fb? We had hoppa there for 2 years! So whats the big deal if he has to cover that position again for another game?
Lichaa has had a few years to work on his distribution skills.
In the modern game in case of an injury,you should have 2nd rowers that can cover center,centers that can move to wing and wingers to fullback.Every back line position and hooker can be covered by on field players and bench utility.
The concept behind the bench is to introduce impact players,refresh your forwards and have a utility that can cover hooker and halves (for impact and/or in case of injuries).
Putting a specialist back on the bench is a luxury,it doesn't fulfill any of these needs.It will weaken your bench to only 2 interchange forwards.

Are you kidding me? You're dreaming if you think you can just move your spine around during a game,like chess pieces and still maintain your attacking structure,execution and combinations.
It's easy to say,move this player here,he can play there,but the main objective is to play your spine to it's strength.

Playing the slow Hoppa as fullback was done out of desperate necessity (we didn't carry him on the bench just in case Morris got injured). We tried rectifying this troublesome position,but the Brad Abbey experiment failed.The point made about Holland being slow is that he doesn't improve the fullback position,that can be easily filled by the on field Hoppa.

You are missing the point on Mbye,his point of direction in attack from hooker is not his forte.You don't lose your most potent attacking player to plug a hooker spot when you can fulfill that need with your bench utility.If JMK moves to hooker then he gets replaced by the bench utility,the relevance and need for Holland is mute.

So now we have determined that injuries to the back line and hooking position can all be covered by existing on field players and bench utility and that there is no need for a specialized back.
So for 80 minutes whilst our 2 interchange forwards are clocking huge minutes,Holland is busy peeling oranges on the bench!
We are a laughing stock in the NRL already,please let's not suggest more comedy.
 
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