Official Why Josh Cleeland was never a chance at first grade call up in 2018.

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https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2018/...e-championship-blinder-keeps-nrl-dream-alive/

Cleeland hopes state championship blinder keeps NRL dream alive

Chris Kennedy Sun 30 Sep 2018, 07:41 PM

After starring in an Intrust Super Premiership win for the second time in three years, departing Bulldogs five-eighth Josh Cleeland is hoping an NRL dream has not yet passed him by.

Cleeland had a wonderful year with Ipswich in 2015 which led to a one-year deal with Cronulla followed by two years at Belmore.

He has consistently been one of the club's best in the second-tier competition in that time but could not grab a start at the struggling Bulldogs in 2018 despite an injury and form crisis in the club's halves due to his spot outside the club's top 30.

A season-ending injury to Kieran Foran and inconsistent form from Matt Frawley, Jeremy Marshall King and Nu Brown eventually led to a late-season breakout from fourth-string playmaker Lachlan Lewis.

Lewis grabbed his chance with some impressive performances and with it a new deal while Cleeland will be left to hope his two tries, 167 metres and eight tackle busts in a man-of-the-match performance against the Redcliffe Dolphins in the Intrust Super Championship will be enough for another lifeline elsewhere.

"Josh has been great for the last two years," Bulldogs ISP coach Steve Georgalis said after the 42-18 win.
"It might not be the time to [mention this], but that top 30? I don't get it. For a kid of that talent not to play first grade, even have a crack with one game because of the top 30, I don't understand. He should have had a first grade game by now."

Under the current system, the only way a player such as Cleeland outside the top 30 could have earned a start in the NRL this year is if there were no fit available players in his position, regardless of who was playing better when an opportunity arose.

Speaking to NRL.com, Cleeland admitted the situation had been frustrating.

"Yeah I'd say so [that I feel like I've been denied a chance]. I don't know how it all works. When you think you're in and then you're not, I don't know. I just try and focus on my footy," he said.

"I think I have [put a good case forward to get picked]. I've enjoyed my time here, it's a very good club and I'm happy I got to spend two years here, stoked."

He added he was definitely hopeful of getting an NRL start in the near future.

"Obviously first grade is still a dream. It's always going to be a dream and if I get the opportunity it would be unreal but I'll just keep taking every day as it comes and hopefully get the opportunity one day."

He said he has "no idea" where he will be next season.

"I'll Just see what happens. Hopefully my footy can spark something up. If not, it's not meant to be.

"I think [my agent] is already onto that, I'll let him do his thing. I'll kick back and have a rest, it's been a tough year and I'll focus on next year such as it comes and if it doesn't then it's not meant to be. I've still got five or six years [of footy in me] but I'm still feeling young and fresh and ready to go."

While Georgalis was frustrated to see Cleeland leave the club without an NRL cap to his name, he was proud the team was able to send Cleeland and fellow departing Bulldog Greg Eastwood off on a winning note.

"It was interesting trying to get the boys up this week [after winning the ISP grand final last week]," Georgalis said.

"We were so happy with the result last week and then realising we had to get ready for this game so it was really, really hard – physically hard – it was a tough game against Newtown. I gave them two days off, told them do what you have to do and I'll see you Wednesday."

Georgalis said it was the team's attitude that got them over the line against Redcliffe.

"I just can't say enough about our forwards. Forwards win big matches," he added.
 

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So there it is straight from the horses mouth. Not in the Top30, and to those who might criticise the club over this, if would have been either Cleeland OR Lewis for Mbyes departing Top 30 spot.
Glad the club made the right choice. Nothing against Cleeland, but he’s (28?) and isn’t our long term solution. Hopefully he gets a crack at first grade with another club.
 

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Well Georgalis says he can't explain it so....

Stats I read said we only used 29 players. Mr I can you confirm? If so, why couldn't Cleeland or Woolford been the 30th.
 

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Top 30 stupid rule club should have the power to choose their top 30 at any stage during the season by promoting & dropping any player they want to
 

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Feel for the dude, ain't much more he can do to earn a crack in first grade.

2015 - QLD Cup Premiership winning Halfback with Ipswich Jets.
2016 - Named in NSW Cup Team of the Year while playing for Newtown Jets.
2017 - Named in NSW Cup Team of the Year while playing for the Bulldogs
2018 - NSW Cup Premiership winning Halfback with the Bulldogs.

He offers a hell of a lot more with the ball than what Frawley does, and his defence is certainly no worse. Fair to say we blooded the wrong man in 2017.

Hopefully a club picks him up and he keeps the dream alive. Darren Nicholls made his first grade debut at 29 this year, so there's some hope for Cleeland yet. Best of luck to him, great servant.
 

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Well Georgalis says he can't explain it so....

Stats I read said we only used 29 players. Mr I can you confirm? If so, why couldn't Cleeland or Woolford been the 30th.
I can only see 29 as well.

All I can think is #30 was perhaps in the squad but never actually played a game.

Possibly Brandon Wakeham?

MBYE, Moses
MORRIS, Brett
MORRIS, Josh
HOPOATE, William
MONTOYA, Marcelo
FRAWLEY, Matt
FORAN, Kieran
WOODS, Aaron
LICHAA, Michael
KLEMMER, David
JACKSON, Josh
FAITALA-MARINER, Raymond
FUALALO, Danny
ELLIOTT, Adam
TOLMAN, Aiden
EASTWOOD, Greg
MARSHALL-KING, Jeremy
FINE, Asipeli
TUALAU, Francis
BROWN, Fa'amanu
HOLLAND, Kerrod
MARTIN, Rhyse
PRIEST, Clay
TO'OMAGA, Renouf
OLIVE, John
SMITH, Reimis
LEWIS, Lachlan
OGDEN, Ofahiki
SMITH, Christopher
 

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I can only see 29 as well.

All I can think is #30 was perhaps in the squad but never actually played a game.

Possibly Brandon Wakeham?

MBYE, Moses
MORRIS, Brett
MORRIS, Josh
HOPOATE, William
MONTOYA, Marcelo
FRAWLEY, Matt
FORAN, Kieran
WOODS, Aaron
LICHAA, Michael
KLEMMER, David
JACKSON, Josh
FAITALA-MARINER, Raymond
FUALALO, Danny
ELLIOTT, Adam
TOLMAN, Aiden
EASTWOOD, Greg
MARSHALL-KING, Jeremy
FINE, Asipeli
TUALAU, Francis
BROWN, Fa'amanu
HOLLAND, Kerrod
MARTIN, Rhyse
PRIEST, Clay
TO'OMAGA, Renouf
OLIVE, John
SMITH, Reimis
LEWIS, Lachlan
OGDEN, Ofahiki
SMITH, Christopher
So it coulda, woulda, shoulda happened that either Woolford or Cleeland debuted because Wakeham was always too young.
 

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Mason Cerruto was part of the top 30.
More silliness :grinning: and up there with not having Lewis, the reserve grade half, not in the 30 at the start of the year.
 

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Hes so much better than frawley should had been there instead of him
 

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I can only see 29 as well.

All I can think is #30 was perhaps in the squad but never actually played a game.

Possibly Brandon Wakeham?

MBYE, Moses
MORRIS, Brett
MORRIS, Josh
HOPOATE, William
MONTOYA, Marcelo
FRAWLEY, Matt
FORAN, Kieran
WOODS, Aaron
LICHAA, Michael
KLEMMER, David
JACKSON, Josh
FAITALA-MARINER, Raymond
FUALALO, Danny
ELLIOTT, Adam
TOLMAN, Aiden
EASTWOOD, Greg
MARSHALL-KING, Jeremy
FINE, Asipeli
TUALAU, Francis
BROWN, Fa'amanu
HOLLAND, Kerrod
MARTIN, Rhyse
PRIEST, Clay
TO'OMAGA, Renouf
OLIVE, John
SMITH, Reimis
LEWIS, Lachlan
OGDEN, Ofahiki
SMITH, Christopher
Chris Smith came in as an injury replacement, so he doesn’t count as RFM drops out of the top 30 and Smith takes his spot.
 

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I can only see 29 as well.

All I can think is #30 was perhaps in the squad but never actually played a game.

Possibly Brandon Wakeham?

MBYE, Moses
MORRIS, Brett
MORRIS, Josh
HOPOATE, William
MONTOYA, Marcelo
FRAWLEY, Matt
FORAN, Kieran
WOODS, Aaron
LICHAA, Michael
KLEMMER, David
JACKSON, Josh
FAITALA-MARINER, Raymond
FUALALO, Danny
ELLIOTT, Adam
TOLMAN, Aiden
EASTWOOD, Greg
MARSHALL-KING, Jeremy
FINE, Asipeli
TUALAU, Francis
BROWN, Fa'amanu
HOLLAND, Kerrod
MARTIN, Rhyse
PRIEST, Clay
TO'OMAGA, Renouf
OLIVE, John
SMITH, Reimis
LEWIS, Lachlan
OGDEN, Ofahiki
SMITH, Christopher
I think I recall Lachlan Burr was on the extended bench at one stage
 

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Club dogged him hard.... Pay is to blame here... one good pass in a trial to beat Canberra and JMK walks in.
 

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I can only see 29 as well.

All I can think is #30 was perhaps in the squad but never actually played a game.

Possibly Brandon Wakeham?

MBYE, Moses
MORRIS, Brett
MORRIS, Josh
HOPOATE, William
MONTOYA, Marcelo
FRAWLEY, Matt
FORAN, Kieran
WOODS, Aaron
LICHAA, Michael
KLEMMER, David
JACKSON, Josh
FAITALA-MARINER, Raymond
FUALALO, Danny
ELLIOTT, Adam
TOLMAN, Aiden
EASTWOOD, Greg
MARSHALL-KING, Jeremy
FINE, Asipeli
TUALAU, Francis
BROWN, Fa'amanu
HOLLAND, Kerrod
MARTIN, Rhyse
PRIEST, Clay
TO'OMAGA, Renouf
OLIVE, John
SMITH, Reimis
LEWIS, Lachlan
OGDEN, Ofahiki
SMITH, Christopher
Cerruto was in Or Burr
 
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The club probably had a formula for the make up of the top 30. We allocated x amount of spaces for halves and there wasn’t room for Cleeland. JMK was a major mistake as he really hasn’t shown that he deserves to be a regular first grader.
 
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