This isnt Trent's fault

[MountMontoya]

None of this is Trent's fault.

Here's why it isnt his fault, Trent is doing the job that should have been done 3 years ago. Pay and the previous Board should have cut the dead wood from the squad but didnt. Instead they rewarded people like Hopa with longer term deals that werent justified and signed an absolute dud in Napa.

Instead of being in the back end of the rebuild the Bulldogs brought in a tradie of ACA to do rebuild which is now being demolished and a proper builder is coming in and fixing the bullshit errors the previous builder did.

 

[Horse]

 

[deimus]

 

[Alan79]

None of this is Trent's fault.

Here's why it isnt his fault, Trent is doing the job that should have been done 3 years ago. Pay and the previous Board should have cut the dead wood from the squad but didnt. Instead they rewarded people like Hopa with longer term deals that werent justified and signed an absolute dud in Napa.

Instead of being in the back end of the rebuild the Bulldogs brought in a tradie of ACA to do rebuild which is now being demolished and a proper builder is coming in and fixing the bullshit errors the previous builder did.

I'm not blaming Barret entirely. He's made some good signings to move forward with but will need more to start next year well. But one of the issues for Pay and the previous board was that they walked into an absolute shitfight with a salary cap screwed and no real talent in any useful position to build a team around. They started when we were supposedly about half a million over the salary cap having signed a dud like Woods on an inflated contract, Foran on an inflated contract and still had a few backended contracts to contend with. They did bite the bullet and moved some players on in the hopes of finding value elsewhere. Nobody could have predicted that CHN would opt out, Klemmer would decide to fuck off, DWZ would have an absolutely shocking second season with us etc.

All I can say is that there's no use crying over spilt milk. Lets just hope that by next year we have a few real competitors in key positions and a better idea about how to implement the playing style we need to.

 

[alchemist]

1. Barrett has no history proving he is a proper builder of teams and squads
2. the 'Dogs clubs have made errors since the beginning of 2017 such as releasing Klemmer with Napa as his replacement as well as signing DWZ on fullback money, but a lot of deadwood has also been released and/or moved on --> Tony Williams, Lloyd Perrett, James Graham (because of the money he was on), Josh Reynolds (in not re-signing him in view of what the Tigers were offering), Woods (who we signed for 2018 but soon realised how overpriced he was), Eastwood, Mbye, Frawley, Priest, Nu Brown, Lichaa, Foran (in not re-signing him in view of what he was demanding), Tolman, Holland, Montoya etc.
3. the club stated that it would take 2 to 3 years to sought out the cap and that the club would not - could not - be active in the player market
4. Pay won 18 games across his first two seasons for 12th placed finishes despite having been hampered in the transfer market and yet cutting players... Barrett has started 0-4 with a for & against of 16 and 122

 

[_G-Dog_]

Yep we cant blame the penalty count aka Trent..

 

[Kempsey Dog]

Regardless of if it's Trent's fault or not we don't sign Burton without him... so we have chosen the right path

 

[Como Dog]

The first four rounds have been ugly but I will judge at the end of the season, with more concern towards 2022. We could very well be watching a completely different team by half way through the season. I still have faith in Flanno, it might simply be he needs another good half (Burton) playing alongside him so that he's not the sole focus of the opposition defence. Not many players can do it all on their own.

 

[top-dog]

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These love birds are vomit where’s there Orgy partner Hasler

 

[Bulldog wazza]

The points are interesting but Trent Barrett is part of the solution and his background of Manly point is to me what your seeing for today with our young pups..
1. Plenty of potential but many hard lessons and experience yet to be gained. Trent overhauled a very talent group of kids at Penrith who had years playing together in junior rep teams.
2.Gus Gould was part of their project and was key to their nursery being utilised.
With Trent he has one of the greatest minds in mondern day coaching in Steve Hansen asssiting his rebuild so I have confidence in the process.
3.The points on history with Pay and Co are true but the issue I saw was lack of ideas and poor contracts like you said.
4.This year we have financial support once again from sponsorship and a strong front office making the right moves as we rebuild..

Time to allow this team to grow and build character and skills of our younger pups. Not the TIME to get impulsive or impatient.

 

[NQ Dog]

1. Barrett has no history proving he is a proper builder of teams and squads
2. the 'Dogs clubs have made errors since the beginning of 2017 such as releasing Klemmer with Napa as his replacement as well as signing DWZ on fullback money, but a lot of deadwood has also been released and/or moved on --> Tony Williams, Lloyd Perrett, James Graham (because of the money he was on), Josh Reynolds (in not re-signing him in view of what the Tigers were offering), Woods (who we signed for 2018 but soon realised how overpriced he was), Eastwood, Mbye, Frawley, Priest, Nu Brown, Lichaa, Foran (in not re-signing him in view of what he was demanding), Tolman, Holland, Montoya etc.
3. the club stated that it would take 2 to 3 years to sought out the cap and that the club would not - could not - be active in the player market
4. Pay won 18 games across his first two seasons for 12th placed finishes despite having been hampered in the transfer market and yet cutting players... Barrett has started 0-4 with a for & against of 16 and 122

And the list goes on.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

We're still dealing with the fallout left by Hasler and Castle. That's why we're in such a crap position.

It's not all Barrett's fault. He's dealing with virtually no budget and players he didn't choose forcing him to play kids who aren't ready to hold the position.

That said, he had a pre-season to prepare the team so they should be doing better than they are.

So Trent holds part of the blame, but I don't think any coach could turn the team around right now. We don't need a new coach, we need a miracle.

 

[Rodzilla]

 

[Rodzilla]

blame the people that ripped apart the club in 2008-2012 trying to turn it mainstream and appearing on tv panels and news articles every week using the club as a personal stepping stone, im not just talking about it now after the fact because greenberg moved on to the nrl, i knew it at the time what he was doing and it was sickening

greenberg shit on the club trying to find excuses for not finding a major sponsor in 2009, then shit on the club in 2011 specifically blaming the nepotism culture, claiming that he was pressured into hiring kevin moore

if he was pressured then those people who were doing the pressure were trying to save the club because the greenberg next chose hasler and gave him the keys to finally destroy it

 

[Chris Harding]

1. Barrett has no history proving he is a proper builder of teams and squads
2. the 'Dogs clubs have made errors since the beginning of 2017 such as releasing Klemmer with Napa as his replacement as well as signing DWZ on fullback money, but a lot of deadwood has also been released and/or moved on --> Tony Williams, Lloyd Perrett, James Graham (because of the money he was on), Josh Reynolds (in not re-signing him in view of what the Tigers were offering), Woods (who we signed for 2018 but soon realised how overpriced he was), Eastwood, Mbye, Frawley, Priest, Nu Brown, Lichaa, Foran (in not re-signing him in view of what he was demanding), Tolman, Holland, Montoya etc.
3. the club stated that it would take 2 to 3 years to sought out the cap and that the club would not - could not - be active in the player market
4. Pay won 18 games across his first two seasons for 12th placed finishes despite having been hampered in the transfer market and yet cutting players... Barrett has started 0-4 with a for & against of 16 and 122

The new rule changes have made the top sides more competitive, at the expense of the lower rated teams. Pay would have suffered blowouts the same as Barrett has under the six again rule.

No side can win when they are barraged with constant sets of six again because they are exhausted, and slow to get off a tackled player.

 

[Longtimedog]

Biggest problem is not scoring points. Only player in top 30 who could possibly change things is Schoup but he is not that good. Offers more than Hoppa though. Yesterday we actually defended a bit better. 2 lapses against Cook( Britt ?) one was totally avoidable. 2 pretty good tries from kicks and the late charge down was desperation at the end of the game. Other than that we competed for long periods. I can’t see anyone except Averillo or Cotric who can break the line. Meaney if given some room possibly. DWZ , Hoppa , Allan Lewis, Katoa all too slow. Flanagan no running game. If Hetherington can continue to produce go forward like yesterday and Thompson provide quick play the balls like the end of last year we are some chance against some of the lower sides. As long as we keep dropping the ball, giving 6 agains and penalties away we won’t beat anyone with the cattle we have.

 

[Chris Harding]

Biggest problem is not scoring points. Only player in top 30 who could possibly change things is Schoup but he is not that good. Offers more than Hoppa though. Yesterday we actually defended a bit better. 2 lapses against Cook( Britt ?) one was totally avoidable. 2 pretty good tries from kicks and the late charge down was desperation at the end of the game. Other than that we competed for long periods. I can’t see anyone except Averillo or Cotric who can break the line. Meaney if given some room possibly. DWZ , Hoppa , Allan Lewis, Katoa all too slow. Flanagan no running game. If Hetherington can continue to produce go forward like yesterday and Thompson provide quick play the balls like the end of last year we are some chance against some of the lower sides. As long as we keep dropping the ball, giving 6 agains and penalties away we won’t beat anyone with the cattle we have.

If we get off tackled players quickly, and reset our defence, we avoid giving away six agains, and nullify dummy half runs. We'd lose less energy doing that than having to tackle for 18 sets in a row. It also stops them moving sideways off the mark to milk penalties against us.

 

[Novdoggie]

1. Barrett has no history proving he is a proper builder of teams and squads
2. the 'Dogs clubs have made errors since the beginning of 2017 such as releasing Klemmer with Napa as his replacement as well as signing DWZ on fullback money, but a lot of deadwood has also been released and/or moved on --> Tony Williams, Lloyd Perrett, James Graham (because of the money he was on), Josh Reynolds (in not re-signing him in view of what the Tigers were offering), Woods (who we signed for 2018 but soon realised how overpriced he was), Eastwood, Mbye, Frawley, Priest, Nu Brown, Lichaa, Foran (in not re-signing him in view of what he was demanding), Tolman, Holland, Montoya etc.
3. the club stated that it would take 2 to 3 years to sought out the cap and that the club would not - could not - be active in the player market
4. Pay won 18 games across his first two seasons for 12th placed finishes despite having been hampered in the transfer market and yet cutting players... Barrett has started 0-4 with a for & against of 16 and 122

So how about we give Barrett 2 years before we judge his coaching if you want to compare apples with apples? Sure it's not a good start for Barrett but it doesn't mean he is worse than Pay after only 4 rounds.

 

[Novdoggie]

The first four rounds have been ugly but I will judge at the end of the season, with more concern towards 2022. We could very well be watching a completely different team by half way through the season. I still have faith in Flanno, it might simply be he needs another good half (Burton) playing alongside him so that he's not the sole focus of the opposition defence. Not many players can do it all on their own.

Well said. We have to give the guy a chance it's only round 4. Some of our fans, you wouldn't want them to have your back. They'd do a runner when things got rough and tough....pussies!!!

 

[bringitontm]

I think he is doing a good job. The team is a little low on confidence and lacking depth. Our largest issue is we can't defend a set of 6 in front of our line.

Once a few players are back I think they will start to come good and be more competitive.