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sydney teams as i want it

1 katich - nsw
2 hughes - nsw
3 ponting - tassie
4 m hussey - wa
5 m clarke - nsw
6 haddin - nsw
7noffke - qld
8 hauritz - nsw
9 johnson - wa
10 boulinger - nsw
11 hillfenhouse -tassie

12th man bracken - nsw

i realise blooding three bowlers in one game might not work hense bracken could replace one of them listed

i feel we need the bowling improved and thta with johnson and noffke their they would equal another batsman
 

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sydney teams as i want it

1 katich - nsw
2 hughes - nsw
3 ponting - tassie
4 m hussey - wa
5 m clarke - nsw
6 haddin - nsw
7noffke - qld
8 hauritz - nsw
9 johnson - wa
10 boulinger - nsw
11 hillfenhouse -tassie

12th man bracken - nsw

i realise blooding three bowlers in one game might not work hense bracken could replace one of them listed

i feel we need the bowling improved and thta with johnson and noffke their they would equal another batsman
nofke? should either bring in watson or a batsmen
 

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Noffke wont get a chance, he's on the wrong side of 30

I was thinking of opening with Rogers but why not give this Hughes bloke a call up. Australia doesn't have the balls to throw someone into the side when they're young. If Ponting played for any of the sub-continent sides he'd have debuted at 18 or earlier.

I reckon it should be the same side morgandogs listed but with Watson at 7 or a specialist #6 batsman like Sean Marsh.
 

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I reckon this guy pretty well hits the nail on the head...



Australia v South Africa, 2nd Test, Melbourne, 4th day

Hayden must go

Brydon Coverdale at the MCG

December 29, 2008



If Matthew Hayden does not decide to end his career after this match, Australia's selectors must be brave enough to finish it for him. In the increasingly likely event that South Africa win the series in Melbourne and the Sydney Test becomes a dead rubber, it would be the perfect time to audition a new partner for Simon Katich in a low-pressure situation.

It's a shame that it has come to this but Hayden's struggle has become so difficult to watch and such a concern for his middle-order colleagues that he can't go on. They are already trying to carry an unfit Andrew Symonds and a weak Hayden adds significantly to the burden. Great players earn credits at the selection table but like a blackjack player running out of chips, Hayden's failures in the Boxing Day Test have been two busts too many.

Even if Australia somehow avoid defeat at the MCG - final-day rain looks like their only chance - there is merit in throwing a fresh face into the Sydney Test. Look what happened when South Africa gave JP Duminy a chance. And with a trip to South Africa fast approaching and the Ashes in England to follow, Australia cannot support an out-of-form opener any longer.

Hayden has made two half-centuries from 15 innings since returning to the Test side for the tour of India after recovering from an ongoing heel injury. In Australia's four home Tests this summer he has 79 runs at 11.28. His lean run pales in comparison with the infamous slump of another left-hand opener, Mark Taylor, who from 1995 to 1997 went 21 Test innings without passing fifty.

Taylor was extremely fortunate to keep his position but he had two things on his side: he was the captain of a winning outfit and at 33 it was felt he had several good years left. At 37 and in a team that is starting to lose more than it wins, Hayden has neither get-out clause.

Nor is there room for sympathy. A farewell Test at the SCG would be a sentimental moment but Australian selectors have not been noted for their compassion in previous seasons. Ian Healy's last Test was in Zimbabwe and he was denied the chance to say goodbye with one final match at his home ground the Gabba.

Mark Waugh ended with a Test in Sharjah, though he didn't know it was his finale. He wanted to play on for the 2002-03 Ashes; the selectors did not pick him and he took the hint and retired. If the MCG Test turns out to be Hayden's send-off it will already be a more fitting exit than Healy and Waugh received; Melbourne has been Hayden's favourite venue.

But does the new group of selectors under Andrew Hilditch have the same clinical approach as the panel did when Trevor Hohns was in charge? They should remember that when Healy was nudged aside, his replacement Adam Gilchrist won over the Brisbane crowd by the end of his first match. The Australia players had a new match-winner in their side. Fans and team-mates move on.

And how will they ever know if there's another star waiting in first-class cricket unless they try him? The New South Wales opener Phillip Hughes, 20, is having a phenomenal season. He's the same age that AB de Villiers was when he made his Test debut and Australia need only think back a week to realise what de Villiers has learnt in four years on the international scene.

Then there's Chris Rogers, who played the Perth Test last summer before losing his Cricket Australia contract. He is 31, but a switch of states has revitalised him and he is averaging 82.62 this season. In any case, Phil Jaques should be fit by the time the Ashes comes around and he and Simon Katich can form a strong partnership. It would be useful to have a backup who has had a decent taste of the action.

When Hayden was caught driving to short cover for 23, he trudged off the MCG with his head bowed. It was not the exit he envisaged and injuries to Brett Lee and Symonds might yet save him for Sydney. Australia will be loath to lose three long-standing players in one Test.

Symonds carried a knee problem into the Boxing Day Test and was tentative in the field and unable to bowl medium-pace. His scores of 27 and 0 will increase the calls for Shane Watson to replace him. If both a hobbling Symonds and his great mate Hayden play in Sydney it will be a poor reflection on the selectors. Opportunities for risk-free change don't come often in Australian cricket. This chance cannot be let to slip.

Brydon Coverdale is a staff writer at Cricinfo

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lol @ Watson. This is why he's not the answer.

Press confrence after play today concerning Hayden and SYMONDS.

Rumour is, both will retire.

I don't think Symonds would retire all together, if he did, I think it'd be just from test cricket. He's still got plenty to offer the ODI team.
 
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Chappel hinted strongly that Phil Hughes will get the call up this morning
 
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the world most boring man simon o'donnel was adamant that bollinger is in for lee
 

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RIP - Australian Cricket Empire !
(1980's - December 30, 2008)

The playing field appears to be level again !
 

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RIP - Australian Cricket Empire !
(1980's - December 30, 2008)

The playing field appears to be level again !
West Indies dominated Test cricket through the late 70s and much of the '80s. early 90s aswell
 

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Australia were the unoffical test champions when they defeated the windies away in 1995. But imo the real aura of invincibility came at the beginning of the 1999/00 home series. They won 16 on the trot and although it took them a while to conquer India in 2004 they were still on top.

It hasn't 'officially' ended just yet as they will still be competitive and be in the top 3 rankings wise, they'll just win less games...similar to the early 90's years. That may all change if the mighty saffas win 3-0 here and 3-0 in the return leg and then Aust lose the Ashes....But with Pakistan and West Indies to come next year, they will most likely win all 6 tests @ home again in 09/10.

Still...

with Hayden to go
Watson out for 6 months
Symonds out of form
Ponting's hopeless captaincy
Hussey's recent poor form.
Lee bowling poo
No genuine spinner

It all looks quite bad for Australia and they are close to falling in a pile of sh1t after the retirements of langer, gilly, martyn, warne, mcgrath and s.waugh

The core of the side has now pretty much been reduced to: ponting, clarke, hussey, haddin, johnson, katich.
 
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i wonder if that thread where someone said the Aus team is gone, is still lurking around.

I seem to remember he got hammered over it
 

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Australia were the unoffical test champions when they defeated the windies away in 1995. But imo the real aura of invincibility came at the beginning of the 1999/00 home series. They won 16 on the trot and although it took them a while to conquer India in 2004 they were still on top.

It hasn't 'officially' ended just yet as they will still be competitive and be in the top 3 rankings wise, they'll just win less games...similar to the early 90's years. That may all change if the mighty saffas win 3-0 here and 3-0 in the return leg and then Aust lose the Ashes....But with Pakistan and West Indies to come next year, they will most likely win all 6 tests @ home again in 09/10.

Still...

with Hayden to go
Watson out for 6 months
Symonds out of form
Ponting's hopeless captaincy
Hussey's recent poor form.
Lee bowling poo
No genuine spinner

It all looks quite bad for Australia and they are close to falling in a pile of sh1t after the retirements of langer, gilly, martyn, warne, mcgrath and s.waugh

The core of the side has now pretty much been reduced to: ponting, clarke, hussey, haddin, johnson, katich.
what happened?
edit :this is his injury list

January 2003: Missed Cricket World Cup because of stress fractures in his back.
February 2005: Tore a muscle in his side in a one-day international against Pakistan.
November 2005: Hurt shoulder in a Test against West Indies, which required surgery.
March 2006: Strained a calf muscle in Queensland's Sheffield Shield victory.
October 2006: Suffered food poisoning during the Champions Trophy in India, but feared at the time that he was having a heart attack.
November 2006: Chrnoic hamstring injury keeps him out of the first Ashes Test against England.
December 2006: A recurrence of his hamstring injury prevents him playing any Tests.
April 2007: Strained a calf muscle in the Cricket World Cup in the Carribbean.
September 2007: Strained a hamstring in a Twenty20 game against Sri Lanka in South Africa.
January 2008: Suffered hamstring soreness while playing a Sheffield Shield match in Hobart.
November 2008: Feels pain in his back while playing a Sheffield Shield match in Brisbane.
December 2008: Diagnosed with a stress fracture in his back and is told to rest for six weeks. Unlikely to bowl for six months.
 
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Quick clarification Re : 1980's-2008

Our emergence began with the arrival of Steve Waugh under AB. Prior to AB's regime we suffered severe Pwnings, and it was these two men at the genesis of our resurgance.

1st WC win came in '87 !
Regained Ashes on UK soil in '89 too I believe.
 

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what happened?
edit :this is his injury list

January 2003: Missed Cricket World Cup because of stress fractures in his back.
February 2005: Tore a muscle in his side in a one-day international against Pakistan.
November 2005: Hurt shoulder in a Test against West Indies, which required surgery.
March 2006: Strained a calf muscle in Queensland's Sheffield Shield victory.
October 2006: Suffered food poisoning during the Champions Trophy in India, but feared at the time that he was having a heart attack.
November 2006: Chrnoic hamstring injury keeps him out of the first Ashes Test against England.
December 2006: A recurrence of his hamstring injury prevents him playing any Tests.
April 2007: Strained a calf muscle in the Cricket World Cup in the Carribbean.
September 2007: Strained a hamstring in a Twenty20 game against Sri Lanka in South Africa.
January 2008: Suffered hamstring soreness while playing a Sheffield Shield match in Hobart.
November 2008: Feels pain in his back while playing a Sheffield Shield match in Brisbane.
December 2008: Diagnosed with a stress fracture in his back and is told to rest for six weeks. Unlikely to bowl for six months.
Got a core like a wafer biscuit !
 
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